The Di2 setup auto trims the front mech and also has the advantage of being able to have shifters on the brake levers of a TT setup. This is why I'd choose it over mechanical. I also find chaining into the big ring at the front a bit of an effort sometimes and worry about dropping the chain. I could get better at setting up my bike, but Di2 seems to sort that out itself. You can also programme multiple shifts into the Di2 system.

Be interested in why your friend hated electronic. I think I can safely say that people I personally know who have switched to Di2 have universally liked it. A few had some issues on earlier models, or if it hadn't been installed properly (or if they were daft enough to not recharge the battery), but once set up and working they all loved it. I haven't made the switch yet, but my next bike will definitely be Di2.

Running small-small or large-large is quite inefficient even if trimming isn't an issue, and it shouldn't be necessary to constantly switch between large and small chain-rings unless you're on a very hilly route. So I'd also take a look at your choice of cassette and chainrings to get a combo that suits you better, regardless of which group set you go for.

I had the red groupset on my 2014 SC when I originally purchased it. I decided to upgrade to Dura ace DI2 and honestly feel that I should have done it earlier. The shifting is pretty much perfect every time and never had an issue.

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Was it Red or the new Red 22? The problem I had on my P2, was that the chain would rub when I had 3 or 4 cogs until I was at the end of the cassette. So, I would shift the front chain ring and I would have the opposite issue, where the chain would rub when I had 3-4 cogs on the other side of the cassette. Annoying.

I went from Ultegra 6800 to 6870 di2 on my SC and can't imagine ever going back to mech. Triathlon bikes are the perfect platform for di2. The ability to safely and easily shift from the base bar made the swap worth it. It's simple to do, relatively cheap, and an all around great upgrade.

I've read, but not verified that the ultegra FD di2 can only go up to 53t ring, if that matters,. I cant see how that would be the case, but saw it somewhere

I have zero issues with electronic shift, so this isn't an anti post.

But that has nothing to do with electronic vs mechanical and that part of the setup is limit screw, angle, and height adjustments 100% which are mechanical and the same between the two. If you can setup an electronic setup to not throw the chain you can do it with mechanical too.

Once Di2 is property adjusted it shifts exactly the same every time. Weight is the only reason I can think of going with Red, but I'd rather have perfect shifting.

If money isn't an issue, than Di2 is probably your best option, but I can't imagine I will ever go electronic (because I can't afford it). I actually prefer sram TT shifters, but assume the electronic shifters for tt are easy. I HATE the ultegra shifters. They look and feel awful.

Di2, especially on a tri bike. That has made a huge difference for me in my local races, which tend to be hilly, so the ability to shift from both positions helps quite a bit. I also love how I can go really hard and still shift perfectly.

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di2...not even a debate...unless you are sponsored by SRAM I guess.

For a tri bike, I'd go whatever is cheapest. Sure it's nice to be able to shift electronically from the bullhorns, but more of a luxury than a necessity. With bar-end shifters, everything shifts exactly the same from Dura Ace, Red22, down to 105. If I had tons of money for the project, I'd go Di2, otherwise, I'd get the cheapest Shimano 11-speed setup.

Red/Force 22 is the best mechanical shifting out there. Similarly DI2 is the best shifting period, no debate. It comes down to your desire/willingness to handle the potential reliability issues with DI2 and the potential lack of support. I personally do not use DI2 simply because if i am out on a training ride i cannot fix the issue on my own. The reliability issues are getting better but they are something that does exist and i have seen personally on group rides (guys getting stuck in one gear).


Edit: Obviously the advantages are greater for a TT bike than road bike. As a roadie a TT bike is something i do not ride as often and would have no issue with DI2 since i am not training on it day in day out in the middle of nowhere. But if it was my primary training bike or only bike i would stick with mechanical simply because of how easy mechanical is to fix.

I'd choose Shimano 105 over any SRAM group. I don't know why anyone would voluntarily choose SRAM.

Di2 vs. SRAM? Fugetaboutit.

Apparently my friend said there are times that the system just doesn't work despite the fact that the battery claims it's charged. He said that DI two is really cool but he would never rely on it for an important race since he knows that sometimes it just doesn't want to cooperate.

Your friend doesn't know how to set up Di2.

Over 30 races this season (including a 12 hour and this beautiful 100 mile TT in a hurricane) with zero missed shifts or failures.

Shimano > SRAM

I love my Red 22 gruppo for both road & tri bikes. It shifts where I need it, every time. Maybe people just don't know how to properly set up a mechanical groupset? Whatever the reasons for the comments above, I don't really understand. 'Results in the shift' suggest me to recommend Red 22.

The amount of athletes, especially pros that I know, who have had Di2 issues while racing makes me gasp as to why anyone would use it. Some of them are negligible, but for me, mechanical is the right choice. Since when has Shimano been cool anyway? SRAM has the swag, mate.

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Go with the Red 22 for now because when SRAM comes out with their wireless electric groupo everybody that has Di2 will be looking to upgrade. Since SRAM is late to the electric game, I suspect that it will work well and have the cool factor with wireless. Anyone running Di2 will tell you that it's great but it's a pain to install.

I hope you are joiking because that is some funny shit right there.

I expect SRAM will be handing out warranty replacements like candy, just like it does with the rest of its stuff.

The vast majority of the pro peloton is on Di2. I haven't noticed any increase in failure rate.

Aren't you sponsored by SRAM? Of course you're going to nut-swing, it's your job.

di2 is pretty excellent on a tri bike due to the convenience of satellite shifters on the brakes.

di2 ultegra proved reliable for the season that my wife used it. No failure or issues, with 15+ hours a week of riding and racing.

only downside is di2 ultegra is a bit heavy. if you are a contender to win ironman france, or savageman, that might be a downside.

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Could one just carry a little less water or one more bathroom stop before the race? :o)

Those buttons on the brakes seem pretty small. Seems like a better option is to use the Di2 road brakes?

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di2 road brakes wouldn't be very aero!

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But are they more functional?

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I wouldn't pay for di2 the fact that it shifts electronically doesn't make me faster and shifting from bullhorns isn't like changing the game. if i'm out of aero I'm stomping and not typically trying to shift. I bet it weighs like a lb more too if that means anything annnyyywayyy di2 isn't worth a lot of money to me, I would rather have money for other stuff. If they're the same price then idk but I wouldn't pay a bunch of money for shifting cause sram red would definitely do the job and would be easier to deal with. probably lighter too idgaf that probably helps a bit

Spoken like a man with zero knowledge and experience. Congrats.

Spoken like a man with a dick in his ass nice!

For the last ten years I have been riding a heavy non aero round tubed steel bike and have not done too back. So unless you have a real old bike like mine, I bet your bike I would offer
was way more money than needed to be spent also. :o)

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Jean-Jacques Rousseau has an incredibly apt quote that you should read...

Point is, why add your $.02 when it isn't even worth that?

Both 6870 and 9070 are lighter than their mechanical counterparts in road trim, and the difference in TT trim is negligible. This doesn't even touch on how unimportant weight is on a TT, especially when we're talking a few grams.

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That's tight mane!! Lmao yea I ride a tt bike disc wheels n everything bro lol



The weight of a group was a moot point which I acknowledged. I didn't add up the weight of the components in a tt set up but considering that di2 has a junction box, a battery, motors, and extra cabling for bullhorns all of which might cause more drag as well depending on junction boxes batteries on frame, cabling bars, stems etc. I'm just gonna assume it weighs a little more at least not that it matters but may also cause more aero drag. I personally do not think having shifters on bullhorns is worth the extra cash if it is, I didn't look anything up because i do not intend on blowing my life savings on shifters. They're probably both extremely good group sets I personally would not spend a few hundred dollars extra for di2 with bullhorn shifters no need to get butthurt about my opinion. If I were to get either I would take sram red because mechanical is easier to live with and probably cheaper. Like the shifters aren't reducing my drag or anything and the both do the job fine so why would I spend more money than I need to? I could get the cheaper one and some other cool stuff

Weights are including all cabling, junction boxes and internal battery. The difference in drag between mechs is barely quantifiable (you'd save more by removing the grippers from your skinsuit). I sourced Di2 a lot cheaper than Red 22, so price isn't the issue in this comparison. The bullhorn shifters are a godsend in tight turns and roundabouts, I suggest you give them a try given the opportunity.

I actually went on ebay a second ago to price the cheapest new parts specific to the groupsets in question no cassette crank brakes etc that you polly have personal preferences for. For sram shifters and derailleurs. For shimano bar end/bullhorn shifters, derailleurs, 5 port junction, and battery. It actually costs $600 more for di2 which is approximately the price it costs me to feed myself and girlfriend for 2 months on 100% organic food like vegetables n shit gotta stay healthy bruh ya feel me tryna be potent here lol. A lot of bikes do not have internal spots for battery or junction so you have to take that into consideration for aerodynamics. I also looked up the weights of those parts and added them, assuming the shifters weighed the same short cage derailleurs, it's about half a lb more for di2 not including wiring and possible mounts. And idk a half lb in actual mass might cost you like a minute or 2 in an im, any extra drag all those extra parts may or may not be making depending on the rest of your set up could negate the pretty minute advantage that bullhorn shifting gave you for the extra $600.

Di2 without a doubt.

I'm a long-time SRAM fan when it comes to mechanical on a road bike. Red shifters/Force brakes on my last 4 road frames. Shimano mechanical shifts fine, but I much prefer SRAM's single paddle and shorter throws. On a TT bike, I have no big preference, SRAM/Shimano mechanical shifts pretty much the same.

I got sick of waiting on SRAM's electronic and finally pulled the trigger on Ultegra DI2 on one of my road bikes a couple months ago. It's far superior to mechanical on a road bike, particularly the front shifting. One of my favorite features is being able to program the big paddles on each shifter to shift the RD and use the small "inner" buttons for the FD. I think Shimano could have done better on the paddle/button placement and feel (I wish they made a the big click like a SRAM mech. upshift), but that's the only nit I can make. I'll be upgrading all my bikes to electronic as I switch them to 11sp. For a TT bike, I'd still pick electronic, but it will be the last bike in my stable that will go electronic.

SRAM is really missing the market on electronic. I hope they get something out before they lose too many customers. I'll be curious how their wireless stuff works. I'm not crazy about the idea of separate batteries in each component.

Di2 NO BRAINER!!

Di2.... better shifting, add'l shifting positions (aero & base bars), plus stiffer chainrings w/ Shimano vs SRAM..... sure, there's a weight penalty, but its irrelevant really....