why would you post this sort of thing? Way to shit out some internet hate. On Srarky's worst day he's thousands of times more talented than you and you know it. Obviously this bothers you.

On Srarky's worst day he's thousands of times more talented than you and you know it. Obviously this bothers you.

On Starky's worst day he's thousands of times more talented than you and you know it. Obviously this bothers you.

Doesn't every one basically make excuses when they under perform or don't perform up to their own or others expectations? We all do it. Read any triathletes blog after a race and they all have their excuses why it didn't go as planned. And there is really nothing wrong with this, excuses or reasons. There are reasons that things go bad. I find Starky pretty down to earth.

But it is true that he is definitely on the outside of the "in group" of triathletes. What I like about him is that he is Ok with this.

yes and this is why the @triexcuse twitter account is so great

You can improve your online image crafting by adopting a simple rule:
Pick one or both of the following excuses when a race goes badly

1. I was too slow
2. I was too dumb

well, that is just not fair. i can think of MANY times that the reasons I didn't do well were actually a combination of the two. :)

What's most amazing to me is that he rides an Orbea.

What was truly comical about the TRS interview was how he completely dodged his tweet accusing anyone of not getting on board with Clean Protocol as dopers then proceeded to destroy any vestige of credibility CP had (which was basically zero anyway) by claiming it wasn't a lie detector and then describing what it was (a lie detector), proclaiming he is a clean athlete then saying he was worried about failing the test and responding to the TRS query of how he researched the test and got comfortable with it's credibility by saying he just talked to the owner a few times.

Yeah it really takes balls to lump in a recovered drug addict with those former cycling dopers.

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

why would you post this sort of thing? Way to shit out some internet hate. On Starky's worst day he's thousands of times more talented than you and you know it. Obviously this bothers you.

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

Try to play devils advocate with yourself for a moment.
Can you imagine any differences that exist between doing cocaine recreationally during a running career, vs EPO.

Think on it.
Yes there are similarities - both are banned, both are 'drugs'
But what is different?

Did you listen to the TRS podcast? Actual Starky claims that Sanders body is so messed up that he doesn't feel pain the same way a "normal" person would. Thus his "advantage".

There is a long history of the strongest cyclists being on the not most aero frames, because the less established brands will pay more for them.

Stadler, and Torbjorn, for example.

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

I have to wonder about some of this.

Ross Rebagliati was caught with traces of marijuana in his blood after after winning the Gold Medal in the dual slalom snowboarding event. Think about it for a second - would a drug, that slows your reaction time as well as rendering other negative effects on the body and the CNS, be looked upon as an ADVANTAGE, in an event where you are hurtling down an icy slope at 50+ miles/hour, having to make split second decisions and pushing muscles to there limits?


Just saying. Just asking.

Did you listen to the TRS podcast? Actual Starky claims that Sanders body is so messed up that he doesn't feel pain the same way a "normal" person would. Thus his "advantage".

No way, really?

Orbea and Starky are a good fit. After the whole debacle with Crowie, Orbea needed someone to ride really fast on their new bike to get some credibility back.

I'd bet Orbea has some sweet bonuses for Starky for being first off the bike, and for record bike splits. If he wins...great, but they need to get some bike cred back.

Yes and I would put that claim into the same category as Starky's claims about crank length and average yaw angles.

Troll Science

Did you listen to the TRS podcast? Actual Starky claims that Sanders body is so messed up that he doesn't feel pain the same way a "normal" person would. Thus his "advantage".

I'd be incredibly nervous about taking a lie detector test because all of them have tons of false positives!

I remember Robin Williams did a bit about this, saying the only way it was an advantage was if they put a big Hershey bar at the bottom of the mountain

... brings him to the top ....

Used correctly, cocaine could let you train harder and more when you want to and weed could help you recover better and longer when you need to.

You do realize he has gone faster at the 140.6 distance than any other American, right?

You do realize he has gone faster at the 140.6 distance than any other American, right?

Until 2014 Florida...

I am a huge fan of Starky but if Sanders has an on-day in Florida he is going to have to say goodbye to that record...until he makes his way to Europe next summer.

Used correctly, cocaine could let you train harder and more when you want to and weed could help you recover better and longer when you need to.

Cocaine is detected up to three months.

Impressive considering all of the battles Mark and Dave and Tinley and all of those guys had at IMFL.

Depends on which test protocol is used.

Lionel Sanders is a Canadian.

I assume you left out the pink font.

No on his worst day he is probably only 1.5 times more talented than most of us.

=)

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

Sure, but you'd think that anti-doping agencies would do it the right way, no? Then again...

Lionel Sanders is a Canadian.

Canada? I thought Kentucky.

Fleck wrote:

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

I have to wonder about some of this.

Ross Rebagliati was caught with traces of marijuana in his blood after after winning the Gold Medal in the dual slalom snowboarding event. Think about it for a second - would a drug, that slows your reaction time as well as rendering other negative effects on the body and the CNS, be looked upon as an ADVANTAGE, in an event where you are hurtling down an icy slope at 50+ miles/hour, having to make split second decisions and pushing muscles to there limits?


Just saying. Just asking.

"The few studies that exist suggest that little to no performance gains are incurred from cocaine and its amphetamine-like properties. Cocaine is notable for distorting the user's perception of reality; for example, an athlete may perceive increased performance and decreased fatigue in the face of actual decreased performance in both strength and endurance activities. An increase in heat production combined with a decrease in heat loss associated with cocaine abuse impairs the body's ability to regulate its temperature during physical activity."

Used correctly, cocaine could let you train harder and more when you want to and weed could help you recover better and longer when you need to.

False. Used correctly cocaine would give you absolutely no interest in triathlon whatsoever.

Every time I read his name my mind converts it to Colonel. And then I want fried chicken with mashed potatoes, gravy, coleslaw and a biscuit.

Every time I read his name my mind converts it to Colonel. And then I want fried chicken with mashed potatoes, gravy, coleslaw and a biscuit.

Challenge New Albany: Tubular ripped off the rim
WildFlower: Seat post dropped

This guy always seems to have an excuse or complaint for so many of his races...I've started a list below, please add to the ones I have missed:

Kona 2013: Tainted Perform drink.
Kona 2014 DNF: Was on crutches at 70.3 Worlds. Whines about people not taking lie detector test after his DNF.
Challenge New Albany: Tubular ripped off the rim
WildFlower: Seat post dropped
Oceanside 70.3: Sick leading into race
IMFL 2013: leg cramps at 10km

Can somebody please have a WAMBULANCE ready at IMFL for this guy? He's already whining that Lionel Sanders has an unfair advantage from his drug use in the past.

Yeah it really takes balls to lump in a recovered drug addict with those former cycling dopers.

Every time I read his name my mind converts it to Colonel. And then I want fried chicken with mashed potatoes, gravy, coleslaw and a biscuit.

Unimportant detail.

There is a long history of the strongest cyclists being on the not most aero frames, because the less established brands will pay more for them.

Stadler, and Torbjorn, for example.

Yes and I would put that claim into the same category as Starky's claims about crank length and average yaw angles.

Troll Science

His best line in the podcast was when he said Bob Babbit isn't a boring interviewer, it's just that most pros are boring people. And he's right.

Bob is a master at letting people reveal their personalities. He's an encyclopedia of triathlon, and will throw out all sorts of set ups for people to tell stories. Most athletes take the safe route ("yes, it felt good to win, and now I want to thank my sponsors").

A few folks take the opportunity to tell grand stories, or at least let their personalities come through without fawning over their fuel belt.

where in the podcast does he talk about Lionel.

+1. I haven't listened to the podcast so it'd be useful if someone could post a quote or comment on the context.

It's one thing to cry like a little girl every time you have a bad race, it's another to go defaming your fellow competitors with allegations of zero scientific credibility.

I thought he was joking about Lionel. He can't honestly think that recreational drug abuse for years would make someone impervious to pain. They aren't PEDs, if anything the damage to his body would have lasting effects

Yes and I would put that claim into the same category as Starky's claims about crank length and average yaw angles.

Troll Science

On the Lionel Sanders part, I am surprised that it took so long for somebody to say something because a lot of the pro's have been whispering about it at races...Starky just said that he did so much drugs that it damaged his neurons. There has been hundreds of medical studies proving that recreational drugs permanently kills the brain.

Jack...since you seem to know everything, did I hear the podcast right that Starky is boycotting Florida?

#1) I read both yours and Rappstar's analysis of Starky's yaw angles and from the point of reference Starky stated and showed in a diagram HE IS RIGHT and you are an idiot. Yes it is not the traditional point of reference but is anything about him traditional...Dave Scott, Mark Allen, Macca, Crowie....4:20, 2:40....Starky said FUCK THEM 4:00 3:00

#2) Crank length, his statements were just validated by his and Kienle's consistent crushing bike splits with big cranks. Slowman's theory is DEAD!

On the Lionel Sanders part, I am surprised that it took so long for somebody to say something because a lot of the pro's have been whispering about it at races...Starky just said that he did so much drugs that it damaged his neurons. There has been hundreds of medical studies proving that recreational drugs permanently kills the brain. This is the most logical explanation I have heard for Sanders "sudden" rise in the sport. IF you look at ANYBODY in the sport that is consider an "uber" or the "best" they all have a long history of getting to that point. Starky and Keinle were biking sub-55 40k's 10 years ago. Now in 4 years somebody has gone from never doing a triathlon to one of the fastest in the world? He has done this while improving his run to a point where he is now running 1/2 marathons as fast off the bike as he did in college. I CALL BULLSHIT and nearly every pro I talked to this summer is with me...

His LA analysis was beautiful! "I would do the same to him as I did Gorrera" then goes on to put him next to Mother Theresa in helping mankind.

Was there seriously an official taking selfies with Ohno?

How is a recovered DOPER coming back from a 2 year suspension any different than a recovered drug addict? I see Starky's thinking. This is like your wife telling you she's not going to cheat on you again...

Finally, the post that started this blog....MY LEGS WOULD BE CRAMPING TOO IF I WAS RUNNING 6:45 miles AFTER A 4:02!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see Starky will have plenty to choose from for the best of ST 2014!

Ok, I now have to actually do some work.


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#1) I read both yours and Rappstar's analysis of Starky's yaw angles and from the point of reference Starky stated and showed in a diagram HE IS RIGHT and you are an idiot.

#2) Crank length, his statements were just validated by his and Kienle's consistent crushing bike splits with big cranks. Slowman's theory is DEAD!

Do you have a website or blog or something? Your ideas are intriguing and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

This guy always seems to have an excuse or complaint for so many of his races...I've started a list below, please add to the ones I have missed:

Kona 2013: Tainted Perform drink.
Kona 2014 DNF: Was on crutches at 70.3 Worlds. Whines about people not taking lie detector test after his DNF.
Challenge New Albany: Tubular ripped off the rim
WildFlower: Seat post dropped
Oceanside 70.3: Sick leading into race
IMFL 2013: leg cramps at 10km




Can somebody please have a WAMBULANCE ready at IMFL for this guy? He's already whining that Lionel Sanders has an unfair advantage from his drug use in the past.

On the Lionel Sanders part, I am surprised that it took so long for somebody to say something because a lot of the pro's have been whispering about it at races...Starky just said that he did so much drugs that it damaged his neurons. There has been hundreds of medical studies proving that recreational drugs permanently kills the brain. This is the most logical explanation I have heard for Sanders "sudden" rise in the sport.

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

I have to wonder about some of this.

Ross Rebagliati was caught with traces of marijuana in his blood after after winning the Gold Medal in the dual slalom snowboarding event. Think about it for a second - would a drug, that slows your reaction time as well as rendering other negative effects on the body and the CNS, be looked upon as an ADVANTAGE, in an event where you are hurtling down an icy slope at 50+ miles/hour, having to make split second decisions and pushing muscles to there limits?


Just saying. Just asking.

Marijuana can also sharpen vision, which could be a benefit in a slalom snowboard race - probably not beneficial for an ironman though. Although the increased appetite might help if one is struggling to take in enough calories. FWIW it is also used to treat glaucoma or if crows peck at your eyes.

Fleck wrote:

If it's true that he was doing drugs while he was competing in running how is it different from "cycling" doping? All recreational drugs are on the banned list so if you want to be technical about it... yeah, he doped.

I have to wonder about some of this.

Ross Rebagliati was caught with traces of marijuana in his blood after after winning the Gold Medal in the dual slalom snowboarding event. Think about it for a second - would a drug, that slows your reaction time as well as rendering other negative effects on the body and the CNS, be looked upon as an ADVANTAGE, in an event where you are hurtling down an icy slope at 50+ miles/hour, having to make split second decisions and pushing muscles to there limits?


Just saying. Just asking.

Can somebody please have a WAMBULANCE?

He's already whining that Lionel Sanders has an unfair advantage from his drug use in the past.

I doubt the food crave you would get would include sports gels.

Cyronman wrote:

Which ones?

Article Summary: Steroids can benefit athletes for a decade after use
Journal of Physiology: Volume 591 (Abstract): A cellular memory mechanism aids overload hypertrophy in muscle long after an episodic exposure to anabolic steroids

It is a very interesting study.

“I used tramadol at Sky,” Barry said of an opioid-based painkiller in use during his tenure (2010 to 2012) at the British cycling team. He went on to say that the drug alleviated the pain in his legs and allowed him to race hard. http://cyclingmagazine.ca/...lotons-pill-culture/

Doesn't every one basically make excuses when they under perform or don't perform up to their own or others expectations? We all do it.

Not saying it's a good thing to do, but taking a barbituate can actually increase performance. I can't find the study for the life of me, but the finding was something like professional drivers were actually faster on a closed course after a few drinks of alcohol. ...The reason being is that they (the drunk drivers) took more risks out on the course that sober people wouldn't! So, a drug like alcohol or marijuana can slow your mind, but that doesn't mean that it will alway be to the detriment of performance.

Are they facts or excuses? Obviously things have not gone his way, and when that happens typically there is a reason for it. Personally, I find the problem with sports these days is athletes just aren't honest at all because they get the 'excuse' attack. Maybe he could spin some of those issues into a more positive light, but personally I like guys like him that don't have a filter.

oh man, i just got directed here from the collins cup thread.

this just has not aged well at all.