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so, my wife and I are in the position of seriously considering a second car. I really hoped to never have to get two cars, but here we are, parents needing to coordinate our schedules with his.

I assume many of you are in similar situations with young kids, I'm open to suggestions. I intend to drive to most races in the NW.

two limitations: 1) kid friendly & 2) triathlete friendly.

Thx!
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WaitWhat wrote:
so, my wife and I are in the position of seriously considering a second car.


I can't seriously wrap my head around only having two cars.. let alone getting upset about having to buy a second :)


The one and only real answer is CTS-V Wagon with a 6spd manual.

If snow is a concern, outback
If snow isn't a concern but the awesomeness of the V scares you, jetta tdi wagon

If you don't like wagons (I understand those people even less than 1 car people) then suck it up and buy an odyssey.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [WaitWhat] [ In reply to ]
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http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...0best%20car;#5052505

Here's a ton of info. I drive a Prius. With all seats down, one bike will lay flat with both wheels on. With one carseat in the back and one seat down, we can fit two bikes (front wheels off) and frames leaning to the side. However, my bike is a small Shiv and hers is an XS QR. We also have an Outback. We still pack the same, but there's a ton more room left over...and we normally use our Kuat rack on the back of it anyway.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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Ford Explorer. Has a 3rd seat which folds down flat. You can transport your bike in the back standing up with the front wheel off. Fit family of 4, plus bike and all luggage for a week's trip to IMLP in the car. No need for a bike rack.
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triflorida wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...0best%20car;#5052505

Here's a ton of info. I drive a Prius. With all seats down, one bike will lay flat with both wheels on. With one carseat in the back and one seat down, we can fit two bikes (front wheels off) and frames leaning to the side. However, my bike is a small Shiv and hers is an XS QR. We also have an Outback. We still pack the same, but there's a ton more room left over...and we normally use our Kuat rack on the back of it anyway.

Strange. I did a search for "vehicle" and "car" but did not see this thread. Maybe I didn't dive deep enough....
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Serious answer, whatever car you want. Just get it with a trailer hitch and pick up a hitch mount bike rack.

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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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LOL, my dad says the same thing. He and my mom have 3 between them, and I can't wrap my head around that! =)

City living with great transportation options made it easy, especially wo kids! 2nd car was never even on the radar as the one car was barely driven. I thought we could always make it that way. Now, needing to in different places at different times and picking him up from daycare...

My wife likes wagons so the Jetta TDI wagon is on the short list ATM. I'm intrigued by your CTS-V suggestion...
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WaitWhat wrote:
LOL, my dad says the same thing. He and my mom have 3 between them, and I can't wrap my head around that! =)

Mine have 4, well they just gave me one to fix/sell since they weren't using it so I now have 5 (plus gf makes 6), so I blame them for this problem I have.

City does make sense, it is also why I won't live in one!

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My wife likes wagons so the Jetta TDI wagon is on the short list ATM. I'm intrigued by your CTS-V suggestion...

on a more serious note..


I have a jetta TDI wagon, I also have a ridiculous jeep with a diesel swap and a car with a 4 cylinder that makes 600hp... the wagon is oddly by far my favorite car I have owned, just wish it was awd (make the new one coming will have a tdi and 4 motion, fingers crossed). The only thing that could get me to part with it are the new all road came with a manual, or the S4 arrived in a wagon.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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We just bought a jetta wagon (gas engine) and we love it. fuel economy actually seems to be pretty good, I'm estimating that we'll be getting about 700kms per tank on the highway, so same as or slightly better than our old Civic.

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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [WaitWhat] [ In reply to ]
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I bought a ford transit connect recently, its superb!
the bike goes in the back without any hassle
for the price of it and the level of kit it has, its incredibly cheap compared to a car

I love it

and it seats three up front






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Anth wrote:
I bought a ford transit connect recently, its superb!

I was like I bet this guy is in the UK, click your blog.. yup :)

You guys sure love your little vans over there!
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i got a 2015 outback and i am loving it so far...integrated roof rack, so all you need are the yakima/whatever rails or fork grabbers, large trunk, back seat leg room, awd, and 30+mpg...
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I have a Honda Fit. With the seats folded down you can just fit two bikes in the back. I can put one in the back and have only one back seat down. I drove a pickup for many years so having the bike secured in the back was a nice change. You can just lock it up instead of hauling the bike into the motel at night. Disk wheel on and ready to go.

I didn't have it until after my kids left home but I think you could easily haul three smaller kids in the rear seat. Not the greatest in the snow. Good gas mileage.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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Diesels are very high. We drive one now, and we love it.
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christ on a bike! I get 47(uk)mpg out the van and I drive it like I stole it

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your gallons are different though, aren't they??

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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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If snow is a concern, outback
If snow isn't a concern but the awesomeness of the V scares you, jetta tdi wagon


^^ This

Although I have the TDi Wagon and I live in Fargo ND, it handles the snow and -30° just fine (manual transmission helps)
Excellent mileage, around 50mpg highway in the summer, about 40mpg in the winter.


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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [Anth] [ In reply to ]
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Anth wrote:
christ on a bike! I get 47(uk)mpg out the van and I drive it like I stole it


outback is awd and not nearly as light as a gutted connect, and subarus usually really don't get that good of MPG, had an outback XT and it was terrible.

your 47 uk mpg is closer to 39 US

Considering yours is probably like a 1.6 or so diesel? vs his 2.5 or 3.0 that isn't terrible.


edit.. if it's petrol and you want a tune send me a message ;)
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [mrtopher1980] [ In reply to ]
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+1 for Subaru Outback wagon. Add a trailer hitch to it and you've got room for everything you need.
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Armstronium wrote:
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If snow is a concern, outback
If snow isn't a concern but the awesomeness of the V scares you, jetta tdi wagon


^^ This

Although I have the TDi Wagon and I live in Fargo ND, it handles the snow and -30° just fine (manual transmission helps)
Excellent mileage, around 50mpg highway in the summer, about 40mpg in the winter.

The winter drop is terrible, 40 degrees is the switch over point from what I can tell. I actually set myself a reminder in the spring that came up yesterday to start looking into what is changing to see if we can do a tune for it that will get some mpg back in the winter. It's like a light switch for me, it probably wouldn't do much for you at -30 but where I am when it is usually in the 20s or so for a few months it might help.

Mine does ok in the snow as well but it is very hilly where I am, not mountainous but hilly and when you can't safely carry momentum over them you end up getting stuck. A short wheelbase jeep with 500ft/lbs of torque unfortunately isn't that much better either but for entirely different and more exciting reasons.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [WaitWhat] [ In reply to ]
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My Girlfriend and I just picked up a Subaru XV Crosstrek. Absolutely love the car! Subaru is a huge supporter of Triathlon here in Canada so when it came time to choose a vehicle, it was great to be able to return some of that support. The Forrester or Outback would be a better a option if you have kids as they provide a fair bit more room.

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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [WaitWhat] [ In reply to ]
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How about Volvo? I love Volvo. XC60/70/90 or V60.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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The VW Jetta Wagon TDI and the Volvo XC70 are my wife's picks at the moment...
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [WaitWhat] [ In reply to ]
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What about an Audi Allroad (newer ones replaced the A4 Avant)? Better step up from a Jetta and you can get AWD. Audi's quattro is superior to Subaru's AWD (imo as I've had a couple of A4's and currently own an 2014 Outback).
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Personally I've been eyeing this one:


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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [triflorida] [ In reply to ]
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triflorida wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...0best%20car;#5052505

Here's a ton of info. I drive a Prius. With all seats down, one bike will lay flat with both wheels on. With one carseat in the back and one seat down, we can fit two bikes (front wheels off) and frames leaning to the side. However, my bike is a small Shiv and hers is an XS QR. We also have an Outback. We still pack the same, but there's a ton more room left over...and we normally use our Kuat rack on the back of it anyway.

+1 for a Prius

The ability to fit a couple bikes inside is great, but the big draw for me is the gas mileage—easily over 50 mpg and close to 60 mpg if I'm hypermiling. Plus, what aeroweenie wouldn't appreciate the super low CdA and Kamm tail?

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I am cheap, so that would rule out the outback which is getting really expensive. Kid friendly includes small SUVs like Honda CRV HYundai tuscon, etc. My wife drives a Hyudai tuscon which gets great milage, drives like a small car and has the extra room in back. My car is a Mazda 3 sedan which is small enough that it is kid unfriendly. No matter what you get, have the dealer install a hitch on the back, work the cost of that into the loan, and go with a hitch rack which is easier and quicker than a roof or trunk rack. With kids around you always need easy and quick.
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A Unimog obviously...


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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Serious answer, whatever car you want. Just get it with a trailer hitch and pick up a hitch mount bike rack.

This (in bold) - but I'd recommend a Ram 2500. Very comfortable for 4 adults. Comfortable for 5. Lots of room for your stuff.
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This is my stealth RV. Built a bed platform in the back that allows 2 (or 3) adults to sleep and all bikes and gear underneath. Also has room for our travel crib, bench seat w/ car seat. Fully insulated with a fan and the fiamma awning, great race day vehicle! 22-24 mpg highway depending how you drive. Sleep in the back while your crew chief (wife?) drives you home!


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aloys wrote:
I am cheap, so that would rule out the outback which is getting really expensive. Kid friendly includes small SUVs like Honda CRV HYundai tuscon, etc. My wife drives a Hyudai tuscon which gets great milage, drives like a small car and has the extra room in back. My car is a Mazda 3 sedan which is small enough that it is kid unfriendly. No matter what you get, have the dealer install a hitch on the back, work the cost of that into the loan, and go with a hitch rack which is easier and quicker than a roof or trunk rack. With kids around you always need easy and quick.

The outback is 1500 more than a CRV base for base and both are well below the average new car cost which I believe is about 30k.


If you truly are cheap you would never buy or pay for a hitch from a dealer unless you like to pay 3-4X as much for something and then pay interest on it by rolling it into that loan (unless you get 0%). Quick search on the CRV forums shows people being quoted 250-400 bucks for the hitch itself, they are 120 online for a kurt or similar. Then in some cased 5+ hours labor. You just paid for the difference of the outback with those charges!!!
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Serious answer, whatever car you want. Just get it with a trailer hitch and pick up a hitch mount bike rack.


This (in bold) - but I'd recommend a Ram 2500. Very comfortable for 4 adults. Comfortable for 5. Lots of room for your stuff.

Assuming he doesn't need to tow anything or carry heavy loads in the bed then the 2500 (used to have one so I like them) would be pointless. The 1500 has rear air springs so it rides significantly better then the HD chassis trucks and mpg due to smaller front end and overall weight given the same engine in each. You can even get it with a Diesel now which is also on my short list if I were to sell my jeep!

Also since he lives in a city the 1500 would be a little easier but still miserable to park. I had my 2500 when I lived in atlanta and had a parking deck.. that sucked!
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If you are okay with a used car, take a look at the Honda Element. It doesn't look like company car like the Ford Transit Connect, and at the same time, you are slide your bike in the back without removing the wheels and still have one seat down. The interior is also water proof if you want to lay your wetsuit down.
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mjdwyer23 wrote:
This is my stealth RV. Built a bed platform in the back that allows 2 (or 3) adults to sleep and all bikes and gear underneath. Also has room for our travel crib, bench seat w/ car seat. Fully insulated with a fan and the fiamma awning, great race day vehicle! 22-24 mpg highway depending how you drive. Sleep in the back while your crew chief (wife?) drives you home!



This might be one of the coolest things I've ever seen! Gotta be so perfect as a family vehicle for a nearby, driveable race and weekend. By the look of the rims, custom/semi-custom?
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If you are considering a used car, avoid anything European ( VW, Audi, BMW, etc) unless you want your triathlon entry fee money to go towards car repairs and up keep. Asian cars are cheap to own (Toyota) and don't require much in upkeep, just occasional belt and filter stuff so I would look at something like a Sienna.
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Questions to ask yourself - are you planning on having more kids and will you want to carry on travelling with a larger family? The amount of gear that you will end up hauling around only gets greater - and if you want to encourage an active lifestyle in the coming years you will have even more gear to carry around. Choosing too small a vehicle now may mean you are having to trade in a few years. Probably not a surprise with me being from Texas to recommend a truck - you can load up the bed with enough gear for an expedition, have four (4) bikes on the hitch-mounted rack, and sit inside in complete comfort (and luxury if you want). If you don't need to tow anything and don't like trucks (don't understand that myself) then minivans have the same properties as the tardise - and for family road trips are great.
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minivans are nice with kids because of the sliding doors and ability to walk to the back and deal with crap going down the road. They are also great for loading up with crap for sports or weekend adventures. I tow a camper with my Sienna AWD and also tow a 12 foot enclosed trailer at about 3500 pounds. It's good for hauling firewood too.

mpg is so-so, 17-18 in mixed driving
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I have a jetta TDI wagon, I also have a ridiculous jeep with a diesel swap and a car with a 4 cylinder that makes 600hp... the wagon is oddly by far my favorite car I have owned, just wish it was awd (make the new one coming will have a tdi and 4 motion, fingers crossed). The only thing that could get me to part with it are the new all road came with a manual, or the S4 arrived in a wagon.

If we could get the VW Passat Alltrack TDI in N.America, I'd be all over that. They'd somehow fuck that up and have it available in automatic only, likely with the silly slappy paddles too. Go ahead, try to find a diesel AWD manual wagon in N.America. Can't be done. Have to settle for 3/4. Friend of ours recently bought the Golf TDI Wagon (w/ 6sp). Loves it, but wishes it had AWD. At this point I would certainly settle for the A6 Avant TDI to make a return to the N.American line-up, and would likely forego the manual. <sigh>

As I have said in the other thread linked, our current A4 Avant (aka wagon) 2.0T makes for a great vehicle for transporting bikes and gear. We've done a road trip to Vegas and back with 3 bikes and gear in the back. However, since most of our trips include the kids and the dog, the roofrack on the top gets regular use.

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I don't have kids, so I can't speak specifically to that, but I do a lot of triathlon-ing and my Subaru Outback is awesome for it. I have a roof rack for one bike and a hitch mounted rack that holds two bikes. If I am only taking one bike and don't need the back seat, I can fold the rear seats down and my bike fits without taking any wheels off. Subarus are super safe cars, so that would be good for the kids. I have a 6-speed manual because in upstate NY we get a ton of snow and I like feeling like I have more control of the car. It does amazingly well even the crappiest of weather conditions. It's reliable and gets better than average gas mileage for an SUV.

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This is my stealth RV. Built a bed platform in the back that allows 2 (or 3) adults to sleep and all bikes and gear underneath. Also has room for our travel crib, bench seat w/ car seat. Fully insulated with a fan and the fiamma awning, great race day vehicle! 22-24 mpg highway depending how you drive. Sleep in the back while your crew chief (wife?) drives you home!

Yep, this is the only way!

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fits in here just fine

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Nice man! How'd you build it up? Also, what height is your platform? I did mine with 8020, came out pretty sweet.

My stock rims are powdercoated Mercedes Brake Dust Black with some big BFG AT's on it. They're noisy on the highway but I've since dynamatted the whole thing which helped a ton.


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mjdwyer23 wrote:
This is my stealth RV. Built a bed platform in the back that allows 2 (or 3) adults to sleep and all bikes and gear underneath. Also has room for our travel crib, bench seat w/ car seat. Fully insulated with a fan and the fiamma awning, great race day vehicle! 22-24 mpg highway depending how you drive. Sleep in the back while your crew chief (wife?) drives you home!


Yep, this is the only way!

This


fits in here just fine
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [Chino_ironman] [ In reply to ]
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Chino_ironman wrote:
If you are okay with a used car, take a look at the Honda Element. It doesn't look like company car like the Ford Transit Connect, and at the same time, you are slide your bike in the back without removing the wheels and still have one seat down. The interior is also water proof if you want to lay your wetsuit down.

I drive an element and pretty much brought it specifically to race in tri.
With one seat folded up, I can fit 2 bikes comfortably with wheels on. The 4WD and plastic interior is nice for a simple clean up. I like being able to throw the race bike in the car, that way it's not exposed to the element (It's inside the Element. ha!) and out of sight for would be thieves.
I've seen some creative things people have done to an Element. Some rigged it up with a bed and you might not even need a hotel if you don't mind sleeping in the car.

There are draw backs to it. It's not a car for a large family. It'll only seat 4, but if you intent on travelling with bike in tow for a family of four, you'll pretty much have to go with the hitch and tow option for any car.
It's got a aerodynamic of a brick on the highway. And with it being an older car, it doesn't have the great mileage of a modern car.
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I demand more pictures.


mjdwyer23 wrote:
This is my stealth RV. Built a bed platform in the back that allows 2 (or 3) adults to sleep and all bikes and gear underneath. Also has room for our travel crib, bench seat w/ car seat. Fully insulated with a fan and the fiamma awning, great race day vehicle! 22-24 mpg highway depending how you drive. Sleep in the back while your crew chief (wife?) drives you home!


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Nice man! How'd you build it up? Also, what height is your platform? I did mine with 8020, came out pretty sweet.

My stock rims are powdercoated Mercedes Brake Dust Black with some big BFG AT's on it. They're noisy on the highway but I've since dynamatted the whole thing which helped a ton.

I had Van Specialties do mine. Been really happy with it. Has been awesome for stage races with plenty of room for wheels, 2 bikes and a ton of crap. Great for family vacations and weekend trips too. My kids love it!

My platform is around 33 inches high, if I remember correctly. I can't fit a bike under without lowering a seat. I don't have any pics with the bikes in it.


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Here's what I have available. I've since finished the paneling to accommodate the bed platform:







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I'm so super-geeked about this, I'm really thinking about it long term! Can't see this working as a daily driver though.

You're obviously in the PDX area, as well. How did you order the Sprinter? Just as a crew van and then over to Van Specialties?
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WaitWhat wrote:
I'm so super-geeked about this, I'm really thinking about it long term! Can't see this working as a daily driver though.

You're obviously in the PDX area, as well. How did you order the Sprinter? Just as a crew van and then over to Van Specialties?

Hell no, I hate PDX, I'm in Bend. :-)

Yeah, I started with a cargo and went from there. Better to have a completely clean slate and less expensive. The upfitters are great at helping you build it out however best for you. I daily drive mine most of the time. Super easy and gets better mpg than my Landcruiser. Just go look at Outside Vans' website and drool.
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WaitWhat wrote:
I'm so super-geeked about this,

Don't google overlanding then!!!
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WaitWhat wrote:
I'm so super-geeked about this, I'm really thinking about it long term! Can't see this working as a daily driver though.

You're obviously in the PDX area, as well. How did you order the Sprinter? Just as a crew van and then over to Van Specialties?


Hell no, I hate PDX, I'm in Bend. :-)

Yeah, I started with a cargo and went from there. Better to have a completely clean slate and less expensive. The upfitters are great at helping you build it out however best for you. I daily drive mine most of the time. Super easy and gets better mpg than my Landcruiser. Just go look at Outside Vans' website and drool.

That was mean. I'm gonna waste the rest of my day on their site...
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Ah yes, the old tri car thread.

From what I recall, the answers fall into two camps

1. Get a giant semi trailer with car styling, perferably with 8 wheel drive, that you throw everything in the back, including the kitchen sink, without any packing skill.
2. Something sensible

I can't believe peoples car choices in general, let alone tri cars. For example, years ago I had a VW camper van. Great vehicle. It rusted out (Canada). I was a student so got a 1981 Honda Civic 3 door. Then we had a kid. We still wanted camping holidays so we put the kid in the car seat, and packed everything we needed for 7 day canoe camping holidays, in the back and put the canoe on the roof. Worked a treat, but in strong winds, a lightweight car with a canoe on top, was a bit of a challenge. It handled like a double disk bike would at Kona! LOL.

Several years later, kid number 2 arrives so we had to up car (still just one). We did a 2 week car camping trip around Eastern Canada, Vermont, NY State etc. By then we had a 1985 Mazda 626 2 door coupe :-). We bundled the kids in the back, cooler, camp stove, tent, all the gear in the back and away we went. All good.

A few more years and we headed off for another 2 week trip with the kids, this time with my first IM in the middle. All the people and gear went in the back, with the bike on a rack on the roof. All good.

About 3 years ago, I headed off for another 2 week holiday. This time, 3 adults, all our stuff for the road trip, with 2 of the people doing a 1/2 IM part way through the trip. I have a Mazda 323 sport hatch, 2 litre engine. People inside, 3 bikes on the towbar rack and away we went. On the way home we came across some really awesome canyon type roads so I was giving it death, red-lining the engine and making the sidewalls of the tires earn their keep. Bikes stayed put, all the gear stayed put, driver grinned from ear to ear, one passenger squealed with delight and trispouse kept mentioning that it was our only car and we didn't need it parked in the river below! :-)

For some reason, that still eludes me, these days, as soon as a kid comes along a truck or a van seems to be the entry vehicle. And if the owner is a triathlete, then it's an Escalade sized planet destroyer.

That said, I'm currently looking at getting a 2nd car and top of the list is a 1970's Fiat 124 Spyder with a tow bar. It would be perfect for tearing around like a teenager, and great for taking to races with the bike on the back.

All I can say is to assess your real needs honestly and get a reasonbly responsible vehicle. More importantly, drive it like you want people to drive when you're out riding.

To each their own......

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so, my wife and I are in the position of seriously considering a second car.


I can't seriously wrap my head around only having two cars.. let alone getting upset about having to buy a second :)


The one and only real answer is CTS-V Wagon with a 6spd manual.

If snow is a concern, outback
If snow isn't a concern but the awesomeness of the V scares you, jetta tdi wagon

If you don't like wagons (I understand those people even less than 1 car people) then suck it up and buy an odyssey.


This is the truth. End of thread.
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I'd also recommend an outback. You can fit your bike in without removing the wheel if you fold down the back seats. If you want to bring the kids then you can go for hitch or roof rack.
It's one of the safest cars out there, which is why my insurance is super cheap despite being a brand new car. It has pretty decent gas milage for an AWD that can truly go off road. I'm averaging 29mpg with mostly city. It's also not that expensive for everything that's included.
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BMW X-5

An out of warranty BMW X-5 is a huge money pit; almost as bad as a VW Touareg
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LOL, my dad says the same thing. He and my mom have 3 between them, and I can't wrap my head around that! =)


Mine have 4, well they just gave me one to fix/sell since they weren't using it so I now have 5 (plus gf makes 6), so I blame them for this problem I have.

City does make sense, it is also why I won't live in one!

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My wife likes wagons so the Jetta TDI wagon is on the short list ATM. I'm intrigued by your CTS-V suggestion...


on a more serious note..


I have a jetta TDI wagon, I also have a ridiculous jeep with a diesel swap and a car with a 4 cylinder that makes 600hp... the wagon is oddly by far my favorite car I have owned, just wish it was awd (make the new one coming will have a tdi and 4 motion, fingers crossed). The only thing that could get me to part with it are the new all road came with a manual, or the S4 arrived in a wagon.

I'm with you. I've been reading so much about the VW Sportwagen Alltrack and Golf Alltrack. I want a TDI, Manual, AWD Wagon so bad! Wish the A3 Tdi Wagon came in Manual but everything I've read says they are done with manuals. I completely don't get people that don't like wagons.
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I have been very happy driving a Volvo XC70 to Triathlons all over the east coast of the U.S. for the past 8 years. I just did a Iron Man in Sweden and I would have gotten a new one at the factory if my money situation was more stable. Tim
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mrtopher1980 wrote:
WaitWhat wrote:
so, my wife and I are in the position of seriously considering a second car.


I can't seriously wrap my head around only having two cars.. let alone getting upset about having to buy a second :)


The one and only real answer is CTS-V Wagon with a 6spd manual.

If snow is a concern, outback
If snow isn't a concern but the awesomeness of the V scares you, jetta tdi wagon

If you don't like wagons (I understand those people even less than 1 car people) then suck it up and buy an odyssey.



This is the truth. End of thread.

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i wish they had the new passat wagon here in the US.
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About 3 years ago, I headed off for another 2 week holiday. This time, 3 adults, all our stuff for the road trip, with 2 of the people doing a 1/2 IM part way through the trip. I have a Mazda 323 sport hatch, 2 litre engine. People inside, 3 bikes on the towbar rack and away we went. On the way home we came across some really awesome canyon type roads so I was giving it death, red-lining the engine and making the sidewalls of the tires earn their keep. Bikes stayed put, all the gear stayed put, driver grinned from ear to ear, one passenger squealed with delight and trispouse kept mentioning that it was our only car and we didn't need it parked in the river below! :-)


More importantly, drive it like you want people to drive when you're out riding.

Wait so you (most likely) overloaded a vehicle beyond its GVWR and beat the snot out of it driving recklessly with your family in the car.. then you tell people to drive like you want people to when they are out for a ride? huh?

Some people like cars, I'm listening to the music of straight pipe V8s and some flat 6s strung out on the track outside my office window.. to me a 323 is not a sensible purchase, so it goes more than one way.

There is nothing wrong with not caring about cars, belittling people who like things you don't (like cars) is quite lame.


Also you do realize that if the escalade gets 20mpg and holds 8 people but the little "sensible" car holds 4 but gets 40mpg and means either two cars or two trips that the escalade was actually the same or more efficient right? Average mpg being reported on fuelly for 323s is about mid to high 20s, that isn't good at all compared to vehicles of that same class produced in the past few years.


We had a 1980 civic wagon growing up used it for camping and such, 2 adults 3 kids.. it was MISERABLE.
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The only answer is the Toyota 4Runner
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the 20mpg escalade is only better if you are regularly loading it to the gills with 6-8 passengers and all their attendant luggage (and even then, a minivan is the more practical, sensible vehicle). Most people aren't even close to doing that.

4wd and AWD is far overrated, IMO. We had one of our worst winters last year, and the snow clearing was a fiasco. the city handled it terribly. what I noticed was that good snow tires are key, and AWD allows drivers to drive faster than their brakes can handle in horrible conditions. Saw just as many AWD vehicles in the ditch as front wheel drive.

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I have a jetta TDI wagon, I also have a ridiculous jeep with a diesel swap and a car with a 4 cylinder that makes 600hp... the wagon is oddly by far my favorite car I have owned, just wish it was awd (make the new one coming will have a tdi and 4 motion, fingers crossed). The only thing that could get me to part with it are the new all road came with a manual, or the S4 arrived in a wagon.

With the emissions and crash regs coming more in line between europe and the US, the allroad TDI jjust might be a possibility. I wanted one badly when I was shopping around 3 years ago. 4 doors and AWD were a must because of my work requirements, but I was also planning to drive 600+ miles/week so an SUV was out of the question. I got a Mini Countryman All4 for the 34+ MPG highway and adequate snow/mud traction with a 6-speed. It would have been an Subaru STI hatch, but the performance was too good in that (didn't want a justification to get rid of the Elise) and mpg too bad (25??). Neither of those options are great for a gear heavy sport with family in tow as the hatch area is very tight. The mini is a decent city runabout, but a Prius (or BMW i3 or Leaf) would be better if you don't need AWD.

To the OP: if you're in the PNW and want winter capabilities to head into the mountains, get a Subaru. There really isn't anything better in the US right now. The crosstrek is a solid option if you want good MPG and don't need a lot of power. With 4 people in the car, it was a bit sluggish when I test drove it. Handling is good and space is good. And they'll get you about 35 mpg. The new outback is a bit larger, a bit nicer, and a little more expensive. Similar performance in the 2.5 engine spec (0-60 in about 9 sec...).

That CTS-V is looking better and better... but highway mpg of 20, while commendable for a supercharged V8, is a bit of a deal breaker.
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i wish they had the new passat wagon here in the US.

There are so many cars I wish were available in the US, from wagons to more diesel options.
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That CTS-V is looking better and better... but highway mpg of 20, while commendable for a supercharged V8, is a bit of a deal breaker.

I've NEVER seen 20mg highway - maybe at 65mph cruising ... more like high 18s to 19. City about 12. I've put 30,000+ miles now on mine (BTW, they are no longer made) and have averaged 14.6 mpg combined over that time per computer. Of course, now around 680 hp (crank) though ;-)

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the 20mpg escalade is only better if you are regularly loading it to the gills with 6-8 passengers and all their attendant luggage (and even then, a minivan is the more practical, sensible vehicle). Most people aren't even close to doing that.

I was simply pointing out that things are not always clear cut. And overloading a 40mpg car is not going to get anywhere near 40mpg. loading up that escalade to the same will make no difference.

It almost never pays to have a bunch of different vehicles, I say this as someone with a bunch of different vehicles. So if they need the escalade once a month it is actually usually cheaper, more efficient and overall better to have that then 2 cars.

And I did recommend an Odyssey didn't I :) well aware the minivan is practical. But that goes back to overload, check the GVWR of most of them and it isn't that much, they are very easily overloaded.

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4wd and AWD is far overrated, IMO.

I don't disagree with you, but don't really agree either. :)

Tires are a massive factor though which is very right and unfortunately the issue is many people think oh I have AWD I don't need winter tires.

Good video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuE00qdhLA

short version

fwd summer no go
fwd winters lots of go
awd summers somewhat go
awd winters best
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I've NEVER seen 20mg highway - maybe at 65mph cruising ... more like high 18s to 19. City about 12. I've put 30,000+ miles now on mine (BTW, they are no longer made) and have averaged 14.6 mpg combined over that time per computer. Of course, now around 680 hp (crank) though ;-)

I rounded up.

What did you do to boot it to 680? My neighbor has a Hennesy spec V sedan (I'm in Houston, so they're pretty close) that kicks out 650. I wan't to make him a little jealous. The best part is watching him try to drive it in the rain. Hilarity. Though he does have Pilot sport cups on it which aren't helping anything. Until he gets to the track.
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fwd summer no go
fwd winters lots of go
awd summers somewhat go
awd winters best

Yep. I got caught in a 1/4" of snow in Chicago once when the Elise was my only car. Had to get my then girlfriend (now wife) to get out and push me into the garage...
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I prefer to be minimally practical.

Fits two bikes on the roof, two labradoodles in the back seat, my wife in the passenger seat and gear in the frunk. It CAN get good gas mileage, but I rarely let it :)

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The way I figure it, you buy for 98% of your driving. You'll wind up with a cheaper, more fuel efficient vehicle than if you buy to cover any contingency. the remaining 2%, you rent a vehicle for the day / weekend.

If you are using the capacity of an Escalade once a month, thats 3% of the time you need the big vehicle. Then it might be worth it.

Of course, that doesn't even begin to factor in the frustration factor of trying to park a boat in the city. My ex in-laws had a Suburban. You couldn't get it into a number of parking garages around here. I hated driving it. Hated filling up the tank too....

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The way I figure it, you buy for 98% of your driving. You'll wind up with a cheaper, more fuel efficient vehicle than if you buy to cover any contingency. the remaining 2%, you rent a vehicle for the day / weekend.

If you are using the capacity of an Escalade once a month, thats 3% of the time you need the big vehicle. Then it might be worth it.

Is it automatically only 3%?

What if your commute is 10 miles each way so 20 a day or 100 a week so call it 400 a month.

You need the space to get to grandmas which is 200 miles a way so 400 round trip.

That is 50% of its use not 3%

That isn't everyone I'm well aware, but neither is the 3% person either.
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nah, by "day"

if you need the huge vehicle once a month, it makes sense to buy it. if you need it once every 3 months, then rent.....

that's the thought process that I went through when I bought my various cars. Otherwise I'd be driving around in a Mercedes G-Wagen . after all, we usually go camping once a year and might decide to drive down a dirt road...

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I prefer to be minimally practical.

Fits two bikes on the roof, two labradoodles in the back seat, my wife in the passenger seat and gear in the frunk. It CAN get good gas mileage, but I rarely let it :)

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toebutt769 wrote:
i wish they had the new passat wagon here in the US.


There are so many cars I wish were available in the US, from wagons to more diesel options.

I've said this before, but BMW 520d wagon 6sp manual
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rroof wrote:

I've NEVER seen 20mg highway - maybe at 65mph cruising ... more like high 18s to 19. City about 12. I've put 30,000+ miles now on mine (BTW, they are no longer made) and have averaged 14.6 mpg combined over that time per computer. Of course, now around 680 hp (crank) though ;-)


I rounded up.

What did you do to boot it to 680? My neighbor has a Hennesy spec V sedan (I'm in Houston, so they're pretty close) that kicks out 650. I wan't to make him a little jealous. The best part is watching him try to drive it in the rain. Hilarity. Though he does have Pilot sport cups on it which aren't helping anything. Until he gets to the track.

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This one ought to get the job done ~ LOL





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I am another vw tdi jettawagon owner. Roof racks on top for when the kids travel with us. Otherwise I can carefully get two bikes in the back.

And it is fun to drive.
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WaitWhat wrote:
toebutt769 wrote:
i wish they had the new passat wagon here in the US.


There are so many cars I wish were available in the US, from wagons to more diesel options.


I've said this before, but BMW 520d wagon 6sp manual

Manual wagon is rare enough, factor in AWD and your options are now gone entirely in the US.

If you even consider it a wagon ( I don't really but some call my A3 a wagon some don't) the Subaru Crosstrek is the only awd manual wagon available as of 2015 model year.


The new alltraks passat or jetta (think it will be a golf in the US now like rest of world) if AWD will most likely be DSG only no manual.

Sad :(
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this thing looks AWESOME. got any more pics of the inside?
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I don't disagree with you, but don't really agree either. :)

Tires are a massive factor though which is very right and unfortunately the issue is many people think oh I have AWD I don't need winter tires.

Good video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfuE00qdhLA

short version

fwd summer no go
fwd winters lots of go
awd summers somewhat go
awd winters best


Bah. I drive through insane winter conditions in my AWD Volvo.
I have all season Pirella Cinturato P7 All Season Plus. Best. Tire. Ever.
Almost as good as winter tires, but don't have to swap in summer.
They are so much better than the winter rated Nokian WRG2's I used to have.
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Or This? not the same but I saw something almost similar at Ironman TX a few days before.


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Some all seasons are good in snow. some are crap. some snow tires are good, and some are crap. On average though, snow tires are going to be better than all seasons, especially if the all seasons are getting a bit worn.

which reminds me, I need to get new tires this winter. The tread was low enough that they weren't going to get another winter out of them, so I've been driving on the winters all summer. Probably Michelin x-ice...

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Two votes for the Honda Element (we have 2 of them). Very practical, reliable and quite comfortable. They're available with AWD, which works well even in deeper snow. We have one with AWD, one without & they both do fine w/good tires. Neither are race cars but that wasn't the quality I was looking for. They hold a lot of gear, bikes, dogs, whatever, and all models except the SC are not carpeted. This sounds really cheap until you experience the utilitarianess (not a real word, I know) of it being so easy to clean after being trashed. An Element may initially look like a rolling toaster and have the aerodynamics of a brick. Spruce it up with a bunch of race stickers and it becomes 'cool with a purpose' :) They are essentially a CRV mechanically with a utilitarian body. Some people would call Elements ugly, I say they have character that grows on you when you see what they can do...
Other cars that I have/have owned & mentioned here...If you're only travelling a short distance, a bike & gear fits easily in the back of my Nissan Leaf. No gas at all but limited to about 70 miles unless you've got access to a charging area at your stop/turnaround.
Prius was no problem fitting a bike in back averaged 45-47 mpg but the A/C in it really sucked. It responded much better than expected when someone in the opposite direction lost control, crossed over & hit my wife nearly head on two months ago. Car was totaled but my wife walked away with only bruises & soreness. A couple of Subaru's (Outback & Forester), both worked equally well and AWD was excellent. They got a little expensive to maintain as miles went up & showed the dirt & grime much more than the Elements do. Also had a Passat Wagon TDI. Very nice/comfortable car, easy to fit two bikes & gear but as miles went up, dollar'd me to death with electronic problems, emissions issues, being unreliable, etc. Was cheap on fuel, expensive to own.
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I've got a 2010 Ford Fusion, and it has proven to be a great triathlon schlepping-mobile.
This summer, en route to a XTERRA race, I successfully fit two 29'er MTBs (along with tent, backpacks, sleeping bags) in the trunk with the rear seats folded down and the front wheels taken off.
With the 60/40 split fold down rear seats, I've also been able to get a third passenger in the back plus a road bike.
It gets around 30 mpg and is very low maintenance.
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I have always wanted m5 estate or amg
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Some all seasons are good in snow. some are crap. some snow tires are good, and some are crap. On average though, snow tires are going to be better than all seasons, especially if the all seasons are getting a bit worn.

which reminds me, I need to get new tires this winter. The tread was low enough that they weren't going to get another winter out of them, so I've been driving on the winters all summer. Probably Michelin x-ice...

Pay the extra $20 per tire and get Bridgestone Blizzaks. So much better that you won't believe it.

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I've had them before, but Michelin has a production facility here. Buy local, and all that crap...

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Tesla Model X





does any one else think this looks like a Mini with wings :-)

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think driving style would help us help you. I drive fast, and my car doesn't go to work with me(work van). So I had 3 things I wanted when I bought a car.
1)fast, handles and brakes well
2)drivable in snow
3)haul bikes

I'm currently driving a 2013 wrx hatch.
Hitch with 1up rack is perfect.
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I'm currently trying to convince myself that VW is going to bring the new Golf R Wagon stateside.
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For some reason, that still eludes me, these days, as soon as a kid comes along a truck or a van seems to be the entry vehicle. And if the owner is a triathlete, then it's an Escalade sized planet destroyer.

This isn't a triathlete thing, it is a U.S. thing. My brothers have 1 and 2 kids, as soon as their wives were pregnant for the first time apparently it was time for the 7-passenger vehicles (Mercedes GL and Honda Odyssey). We have one child and our primary vehicle is a 2-door hatch, no issues whatsoever and we have taken it on several family trips which included 500+ miles of driving where it was packed full (I though, do not in any way drive it aggressively). On one occasion we even had to transport my daughter and two toddler nieces to my mother's home 10 miles away, we were able to fit all three car seats in the back along with all of their stuff in the hatch. Wasn't comfy, but it was a once in 3yrs 10min drive. Wife is due with child #2 next spring, no plans for a new vehicle. I guess having room for 4-more people and all their stuff would be convenient once in a blue moon, but not convenient enough where I am going to spend $20k more for the vehicle and the added monthly premium for gas/insurance. To each their own, I much prefer the European philosophy where cost efficiency is a lot more important.
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I'm currently trying to convince myself that VW is going to bring the new Golf R Wagon stateside.


I'm actually trying to convince TriSpouse that a Scirocco 2 litre turbo needs a home in our driveway. They are sweeeeeet

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triflorida wrote:
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...0best%20car;#5052505

Here's a ton of info. I drive a Prius. With all seats down, one bike will lay flat with both wheels on. With one carseat in the back and one seat down, we can fit two bikes (front wheels off) and frames leaning to the side. However, my bike is a small Shiv and hers is an XS QR. We also have an Outback. We still pack the same, but there's a ton more room left over...and we normally use our Kuat rack on the back of it anyway.

+1 for a Prius

The ability to fit a couple bikes inside is great, but the big draw for me is the gas mileage—easily over 50 mpg and close to 60 mpg if I'm hypermiling. Plus, what aeroweenie wouldn't appreciate the super low CdA and Kamm tail?

2 of us drove a prius to Milwaukee for nationals, and brought back a third that flew in for the race. We had 1 hard-side bike case and three guys' gear inside the car, plus 2 additional bikes on the hitch mounted rack. I drove 75ish and we averaged around 45 mpg. There are plenty of full size cars that can't fit that much stuff inside, and most are lucky to hit 25mpg.
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subaru forester
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+2 for the Element... Love mine. Driven it across the country a couple of times. With a hitch mounted two bike rack, it's really great for local races - carries all kinds of stuff. Too bad they're not making them any more.
(Also, have a 26' class A motor home for distant, and some local, races and the semi-annual migration between summer home in WA and winter home in FL - stupid expensive way to go, but you can't beat the comfort and convenience).

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triguy12 wrote:
subaru forester

I'm actually looking to replace my Forester. It was ok for a while, but at about 140k it is starting to fall apart. While it is rather old (I bought it in 2000), I did not expect it to be coming apart before reaching 150k. I've probably spent more than $6000 in the last few years in repairs.

On uphills it was under powered. On moderate to steep hills I found that even if I floored it in 5th gear it could not maintain speed and had to downshift.

I am looking at vehicles of similar size or slightly larger to replace, but won't buy another Subaru.
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Re: Triathlon Vehicle [helo guy] [ In reply to ]
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Toyota FJ Crusier is all you need!



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