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Well, at least the dead body they found down near the bridge in the river was unrelated to the race.

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I hear at least two ambulances have been called out on the bike course. Hope everyone is okay.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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Keep it classy TN.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [xsive] [ In reply to ]
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xsive wrote:
Keep it classy TN.

This happened in the Georgia section of the bike course. We're good in Tennessee.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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IREPathletics wrote:
http://m.timesfreepress.com/news/2014/sep/28/chattanooga-ironman-bike-course-sabotaged-tacks-an/?breakingnews
maybe some elite (angry) swimmers put out the tacks on the course to try to account for the current assist swim? [pink]

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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I just finished my volunteer shift at aid station #4 on the bike course - my group volunteered from 7:30am to 12:30pm. the day started by picking up tacks ahead of the intersection. someone had thrown several hundred on the ground in the area. The aid station is on a bridge that is around a curve in the road after a downhill stretch. in hindsight it is probably not the best place for an aid station. Riders would crest the hill, start picking up momentum again, then come around a curve into the aid station. The hill tended to group riders up as hills tend to do, then coming into the aid station some were speeding up and some were slowing down. we had 5 wrecks in the aid station. 3 had to be taken off the course in an ambulance. The first wreck of the day was pretty bad with the rider still not coherent when he left. A few of us spent more time directing traffic than handing out water. All in all a mentally taxing day.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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didn't this happen the first year at Louisville?
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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Wasn't there reports of tacks on the road for Whistler last year as well?

NIMBYism knows no bounds.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
Wasn't there reports of tacks on the road for Whistler last year as well?

NIMBYism knows no bounds.

I did it last year, didn't experience or hear anything about that
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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What the F*3K is wrong with some people?

I do not understand this at all behavior at all. What is there to gain, be cool for etc.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [gymrat] [ In reply to ]
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Tacks are uncool and definately a d-bag move but sadly it's happened before. It used to be "the norm" at IMC in Penticton, happened at Louisville once too


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rbuike wrote:
Tacks are uncool and definately a d-bag move but sadly it's happened before. It used to be "the norm" at IMC in Penticton, happened at Louisville once too

Yes, for IMC (Penticton), tacks used to be a regular occurrence. Not only during the race but during training. As I recall, in the vicinity of the MacLean Creek climb. I believe on the uphill section so you wouldn't have a serious crash but would suffer a serious puncture (they were carpet tacks, not thumb tacks so they blended into the road colour). I didn't find any this year, I suppose that's an advantage of being such a slow ass, there are hundreds ahead of me.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [BCDon] [ In reply to ]
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Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.
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Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

You are the biggest fuck-nozzle to disgrace this forum.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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It is the act of inconsiderate and stupid folks. The oil would have likely hurt a neighbor on a motorbike more than skinny lycra folks on bicycles.


But as we all know morons live all over the world. Sadly.
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rbuike wrote:
Tacks are uncool and definately a d-bag move but sadly it's happened before. It used to be "the norm" at IMC in Penticton, happened at Louisville once too

Happened to me in Louisville in 2012. Lost about 30 minutes. Possibly could have been longer if the SAG wagon didn't come around.

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Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Well, seeing as IMC is in Canada (thus the "C"), we don't have Republicans. We do have a Conservative Party and a Liberal Party along with a couple of others but from a US perspective, all of our parties in Canada would be considered "Socialist", in fact, the rest of Canada considers the West Coast of Canada to be more Socialist than the rest. However, Canada is more about overall good of the people as opposed to everyone for themselves (IMHO).

Historically, the tacks on the Old IMC course were rumoured to be spread there by a local or locals who weren't enamoured by the influx of Triathletes and all the people who suddenly appeared on their quiet roads.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [BCDon] [ In reply to ]
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Just like out in Colorado, some idiot spread tacks on the IM Chattanooga bike course today. During the first loop, I noticed a bunch of people flatting in the same general area. Next time around, I got nailed. A police officer stopped and asked me whether I was the victim of a tack. Apparently, they are aware of the situation. I confirmed with the next three riders I saw with flats that they had a tack also.

This may be simple vandalism or maybe a resident was upset with the inconvenience of having their roads closed and wanted to get even. Assuming the latter, WTC should do a better job of educating the community of the economic benefit from having the race in their city. We are forced to check-in on Friday and rack bikes on Saturday for only one reason: so out-of-town participants will have to stay in town for two nights, rather than just one. That's WTC benefiting the community. They should communicate all the revenue we generate.


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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Happy Runner] [ In reply to ]
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Happy Runner wrote:
so out-of-town participants will have to stay in town for two nights, rather than just one. That's WTC benefiting the community. They should communicate all the revenue we generate.


It wouldn't matter.
Close minded people will stay close minded.
There are people in this world who would still bitch and moan and throw tacks on the road because they see the inconvience in front of themselves, even if you had someone handing them $100 bills the day before. (and told them it was the compensation for the road closures)
Education can only go so far.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Happy Runner] [ In reply to ]
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I may be missing something...what do you mean just like Colorado? Were there tacks on the IM Boulder course too or were you talking about the multiple times Elephant Rock 100 mile bike challenge was held in the Black Forest? I know that bike ride had tack issues...
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Cape_Horn] [ In reply to ]
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Sadly, it happens in the NY/NJ area too along Rt 9W. I haven't seen oil but tacks have been out on a handful of occasions....and these folks aren't even being displaced. Stupid knows no boundaries.
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dani-x wrote:
Sadly, it happens in the NY/NJ area too along Rt 9W. I haven't seen oil but tacks have been out on a handful of occasions....and these folks aren't even being displaced. Stupid knows no boundaries.
A new village was setup just off the road from where my state TT championships are held (and other bike races as well, about 12-15 per year) The cyclists and local clubs had been using these roads for 30-40years, every since they were sealed.
The Village has been in place for seven years now.
In the last seven years, we have gone from a quiet place to ride, to being abused while racing, and a fair number of races (inc. National level racing for Juniors) that have been sabotaged with tacks and the like. Being told that we need to get of 'their' roads is rather annoying considering some of us have been here and doing this for longer than these people have been alive.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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That explains why they had us ride in the left lane on a couple sections of the first loop and had a section of the right land covered with sand. I couldn't figure out why there was sand all over the road, but it makes sense that they put it down to soak up the oil. This is sad to hear since it seemed like a lot of the locals who live on the bike course were out in front of their houses spectating and cheering. Overall, the city of Chattanooga showed great hospitality this week and on the weekends when I came up to train on the course... at least that was my experience.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Cape_Horn] [ In reply to ]
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Funny thing about the "economic impact" of an IM though: do you really think Middleofnowhere, TN-GA border that sits between miles 35 and 56 of the bike course and only has 2 roads gets any benefit? Nobody is staying in a hotel there, nobody is eating dinner there, but the roads are closed/congested because of the race nevertheless.

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spot wrote:


You are the biggest fuck-nozzle to disgrace this forum.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [iank] [ In reply to ]
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Funny thing about the "economic impact" of an IM though: do you really think Middleofnowhere, TN-GA border that sits between miles 35 and 56 of the bike course and only has 2 roads gets any benefit? Nobody is staying in a hotel there, nobody is eating dinner there, but the roads are closed/congested because of the race nevertheless.

That is a really good point, but there is something I am not sure about.
Bear with me, as I don't know about tax law and specific funding, specifically in this case of M. TN-GA, or less specifically, USA in General (the wonders of being an Australian)

In our state (and the rest of Australia) Road funding for non-national roads (specifically, road that have been classed as 'roads of national importance' I believe was the term) comes our of local coffers. In this regard, the money that is being spent comes from the fund that is gathered by the local council, with the largest source being land rates. Rates are levied based on the Unimproved Land Value of the property in question. Due to how things are done in my specific area, the rates that pay for the roads we race on next to the new village (note - residential only, there is no local store, they need to drive 15-20miles to find a supermarket etc.) are funded out of the same bucket as I pay my rates into. In fact, as my ULV is higher, I pay more for their roads than they do - but I digress.
In reality - if funding for public works are funded the same way as they are funded here, then there would be no direct financial return for the locals (that live in them middle of the bike leg, who are the one most affected) by this race.
But - where do these people work? is there some other follow-on that may be of benefit to these residents? (sorry, I don't know the area at all, and looking at google maps doesn't really help me either) where do they work, are most of them 'proper' locals, ie. they don't leave town, do they shop/work/eat/live/die, rarely travelling away from the same 15mile area? or do they (like some of the people from the town I grew up in) drive ~60miles to work, because that is where their skills will be utilized and they will be well compensated for their time and effort? - If the first, then in reality, they get nothing back from the race , and they do have a right to make some noise about this. But if they have ties back into the Choo business district, then they would have some indirect benefits from the race, it might not be much, and indeed it might not be anywhere near the same value as what they lose from having their local roads blocked for the majority of the day, one day a year, but there would be some feedback.

I know one Australian race that is well established that has got some significantly better quality roads than what were usually being put in in the area (hotmix compared with the chipseal they had been respraying previously) that when asked about, the local council said was put in 'because of the ironman' - The council realized that better quality roads for the race would mean more people signing up, more people coming and training in the area, and more money flowing back into the local economy.
Reality - There are still a large number of locals in that area who are anti-Ironman, some of them being local business owners who directly benefit from an increase of tourists specifically during race week, and indirectly because of the extra tourists year round who come to see the course, to run or ride bits of it, or just come to relax and see if they might want to race the course in the future.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [bobo] [ In reply to ]
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I used to promote a stage race and we did excatly that.....$1250 sweeper rental (30 mph top speed) and $450.00 for labor (driver) I don't know why more events don't do it, plus they can mark potholes on the way.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [bobo] [ In reply to ]
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Agree with Bobo that WTC could have tried to clean this up, but my assumption is by the time they found out this was an issue the time/effort it would take to clean up the mess was the best option. They found about about the oil slicks prior to the time I hit the bike course and either shifted lanes on the course or covered up the oil with dirt (or cat litter) to absorb it so i commend them on that.

End of the day, as many have mentioned, it was just some stupid rednecks who were pissed about all the cyclists shutting down their roads and these people will be pissed no matter how much "education" they are provided (ignorant fucks).

Regardless of this, this was my first full and I will say Chattanooga was incredible. The city's heart was in this race. They wanted this race and and it showed. You had folks from all walks of life out cheering on competitors and it was incredibly impressive. I ran Austin Marathon this year which I have been told has "incredible support from the community", Chattanooga outdid them ten fold, from having aid stations full of people in super hero costumes to blasting music from mansions which sit on the Chattanooga country club I was blown away.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Beachboy] [ In reply to ]
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Beachboy wrote:
I used to promote a stage race and we did excatly that.....$1250 sweeper rental (30 mph top speed) and $450.00 for labor (driver) I don't know why more events don't do it, plus they can mark potholes on the way.

I remember seeing - either on the Thursday before or Saturday before the ill-fated/canceled IM Tahoe a street sweeper out on the bike course. I thought "hey that's cool." Then I also thought about some bit's of glass that might actually get "upset" in the wrong direction (perfect for punctures), as apposed to being picked up. And, what about a slob throwing tacks just before the event. Running a sweeper (with a magnet please) starting when the swim starts is a awesome idea.

Clean roads for Tahoe = great. What we needed was clean air :-|

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [bobo] [ In reply to ]
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This was my thinking exactly.

WTC is just being horribly financially lazy at the cost of their customer.

It's just so hard to imagine how such a company constantly doesn't do what they can to make the customer happy while still making huge profits.

Just look at Disney, they charge INSANE amounts for 5ks and half marathons and provide unparalleled satisfaction. They will gladly spend an extra few thousand to make people happy.

WTC, take a note from Disney. Stop sucking and dicking your customers.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [ChrisM] [ In reply to ]
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ChrisM wrote:
BCtriguy1 wrote:
Wasn't there reports of tacks on the road for Whistler last year as well?

NIMBYism knows no bounds.


I did it last year, didn't experience or hear anything about that

My mistake, and BCDon corrected me below, it was at old IMC events in Penticton.

Anyways, all this lolligagging about tacks and oil is nothing. We've had someone stringing up fishing wire at neck height on popular bike trails over the summer. How brutal is that. No one has been killed, but there have been a few bad injuries. No hope in hell of catching the person either.

Long Chile was a silly place.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [iank] [ In reply to ]
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all chattanooga area hotel rooms were sold out this weekend
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [bobo] [ In reply to ]
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bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo

They did just that on Saturday and filled a bzillion pot holes, at their expense -- no public dollars involved. At 30 MPH, which seems fast for a street sweeper, you are talking almost four hours to go around the course (IM Choo was 116 miles). An empty McDonalds bag could have done the swim course in under an hour, given the current.

And you have to figure that this was done by a local, who would just toss the tacks after the sweeper went by, regardless what time it went by.

In my book, WTC has no blame in this one.

Now the placement of a water stop at the bottom of a steep hill around a blind corner is a different story. A volunteer said there were five bad crashes with hospitalization. Although, this was probably a delegated decision since I don't think anyone who knew triathlon would be so stupid to place that water stop there.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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Anyways, all this lolligagging about tacks and oil is nothing. We've had someone stringing up fishing wire at neck height on popular bike trails over the summer. How brutal is that. No one has been killed, but there have been a few bad injuries. No hope in hell of catching the person either.

Holy crap. That's straight up serial-killer-ish behavior there....

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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ironclm wrote:
xsive wrote:
Keep it classy TN.

This happened in the Georgia section of the bike course. We're good in Tennessee.

I'll give you a pass on this one, but I'm still pissed about you stealing our land & rightful access to Nickajack Lake. You Volunteers are far from good with those of us in Georgia.
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Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Yes, the west coast is a beacon of love and an example for the rest of us back woods Southern rednecks to aspire towards. Nothing bad ever happens to cyclists out west...in a race or otherwise.
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Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Ya... California just has asshats starting forest fires... that flat out cancel Ironman events altogether and risk the lives of hundred of firefighters and residents... you are a solid leg up on folks in TN.

Your an idiot. Outside of the metro areas, California is about as blue as any other rural area in America. Similar demographic to Illinois in that regard.

Do a race starting in lets say Sacramento, close and bunch of roads there, then take the race out into the most rural areas you can find, have cyclists training on those road all year round before the race leaving little and crap, riding 2 abreast and holding up traffic... and see what happens. People are people...bad apples everywhere.


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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [manofthewoods] [ In reply to ]
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Sweeping the course pre-race is a nice idea, but At IMLOU 2012, it seemed that the tacks were thrown out mid-race. I didn't notice any issues on the first pass, but had people around me hit them on the 2nd loop.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [greenjp] [ In reply to ]
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most of the flats were on first pass, but your right, a pre race sweep is meaningless if someone is determined to cause harm
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [winchester] [ In reply to ]
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Ahh, must have just lucked out the first time! There was also the guy with the hose misting people going up a steep little hill in front of his house, you know, out of the kindness of his heart. Only, I saw him quickly switch to a jet spray to get one guy right in the ear (startled the crap out of him), then he switched back to the mister setting, laughing like Santa Claus. Wonder how many times he did that?

Fun folks. I'll still do Louisville again, though.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [spot] [ In reply to ]
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spot wrote:
Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.


You are the biggest fuck-nozzle to disgrace this forum.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Meathead] [ In reply to ]
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Meathead wrote:
ironclm wrote:
xsive wrote:
Keep it classy TN.

This happened in the Georgia section of the bike course. We're good in Tennessee.

I'll give you a pass on this one, but I'm still pissed about you stealing our land & rightful access to Nickajack Lake. You Volunteers are far from good with those of us in Georgia.

For the record, I am a Californian being held hostage in Tennessee!

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Bull_Winkle] [ In reply to ]
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Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Interesting (although stupid) opinion. It doesn't really hold up when you consider that it happened at Honu in 2006. Hawaii is a pretty solid blue state.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [justarunner] [ In reply to ]
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justarunner wrote:
This was my thinking exactly.

WTC is just being horribly financially lazy at the cost of their customer.

It's just so hard to imagine how such a company constantly doesn't do what they can to make the customer happy while still making huge profits.

Just look at Disney, they charge INSANE amounts for 5ks and half marathons and provide unparalleled satisfaction. They will gladly spend an extra few thousand to make people happy.

WTC, take a note from Disney. Stop sucking and dicking your customers.

Yeah. Let's get a bunch of middle-aged women dressed up as princesses to walk 6-abreast on the run course and stop for photos every half-mike or so. Disney events are awesome!
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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ironclm wrote:
Meathead wrote:
ironclm wrote:
xsive wrote:
Keep it classy TN.

This happened in the Georgia section of the bike course. We're good in Tennessee.

I'll give you a pass on this one, but I'm still pissed about you stealing our land & rightful access to Nickajack Lake. You Volunteers are far from good with those of us in Georgia.

For the record, I am a Californian being held hostage in Tennessee!

If you are a Californian in Tennessee, I would call it a trip to heaven rather than being held hostage!
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This is awful.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [justarunner] [ In reply to ]
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justarunner wrote:
This was my thinking exactly.

WTC is just being horribly financially lazy at the cost of their customer.

It's just so hard to imagine how such a company constantly doesn't do what they can to make the customer happy while still making huge profits.

Just look at Disney, they charge INSANE amounts for 5ks and half marathons and provide unparalleled satisfaction. They will gladly spend an extra few thousand to make people happy.

WTC, take a note from Disney. Stop sucking and dicking your customers.

WTC typically sweeps the bike course twice before a race as well as patching potholes and marking hazards. I know because I have been that guy marking every turn, sweeping corners, and laying down qwik-patch. They also have multiple vehicles ahead of the race looking for anything that could create a safety hazard. Then there are bike techs on course patroling sections to help athletes with mechanical issues. And there are police and hundreds of volunteers on the course. Still it's 112 miles of open road and a determined person can vandalize the course if that is what they choose to do.
While I know it's popular to rag on WTC as greedy and uncaring, the truth is they do a tremendous amount of work behind the scenes to ensure a safe race and a good experience for everyone.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [bobo] [ In reply to ]
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bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo

Generally, the sweepers appear to top out at 20 mph. They'd get caught. You'd have to have 5 or 6 staged ~18 miles apart. And there is nothing to prevent someone from sabotaging right after the sweeper passes.

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Devlin wrote:
bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo


Generally, the sweepers appear to top out at 20 mph. They'd get caught. You'd have to have 5 or 6 staged ~18 miles apart. And there is nothing to prevent someone from sabotaging right after the sweeper passes.

John

Right on. I don't think anybody can fault WTC or any other race organization for something like this. There is only so much that can be done and if some local wannabe terrorist is going to do something like this, they'll figure out a way around any efforts to preempt it. If the organizers swept the course, they'd find another way to try and screw it up.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Travis R] [ In reply to ]
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There were tacks at Wisconsin this year as well. Seems like there are just jackasses everywhere.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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This is really horrible. Some people have too much time on their hands and too much hate in their hearts. That said, I have to mention:

I think I know who did it.
It was Little Debbie.
She might look sweet and taste fine, but she is upset with the new marketing slogan: "when you think Ironman, think Little Debbie snack cakes"
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Devlin wrote:
bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo


Generally, the sweepers appear to top out at 20 mph. They'd get caught. You'd have to have 5 or 6 staged ~18 miles apart. And there is nothing to prevent someone from sabotaging right after the sweeper passes.

John

Drones, baby...Have a few drones hover over the course. They could provide coverage of the race AND monitor the roads. WTC could even arm them with a few missiles and take out these domestic terrorists!

In all honesty, it has to suck to be a victim of that kind of sabotage.


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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [jph437] [ In reply to ]
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I agree completely. IM and Chattanooga put on a fantastic race. The ppl with the oil and tacks are just random dicks. They exist in every city.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Running mom] [ In reply to ]
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Running mom wrote:
This is really horrible. Some people have too much time on their hands and too much hate in their hearts. That said, I have to mention:

I think I know who did it.
It was Little Debbie.
She might look sweet and taste fine, but she is upset with the new marketing slogan: "when you think Ironman, think Little Debbie snack cakes"

POTD

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Running mom] [ In reply to ]
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Running mom wrote:
This is really horrible. Some people have too much time on their hands and too much hate in their hearts. That said, I have to mention:

I think I know who did it.
It was Little Debbie.
She might look sweet and taste fine, but she is upset with the new marketing slogan: "when you think Ironman, think Little Debbie snack cakes"

Made my day!
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Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Really?

It's happened in Maryland - a state not known for its Republicans of late.

Apparently narrow-mindedness knows no political pounds.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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There were tacks thrown on the road at Galveston 70.3 in 2011 near the turn-around point. I initially thought people were flatting on broken seashells along the seawall but learned after the race it was, in fact, tacks.

There was also oil dumped on the Kansas 70.3 course in 2012. I didn't race it that year but was told that those triathletes that were also cyclocrossers did pretty good navigating the troubled area!

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Running mom wrote:
This is really horrible. Some people have too much time on their hands and too much hate in their hearts. That said, I have to mention:

I think I know who did it.
It was Little Debbie.
She might look sweet and taste fine, but she is upset with the new marketing slogan: "when you think Ironman, think Little Debbie snack cakes"


Made my day!

Somebody has got to photoshop Little Debbie holding a handful of tacks instead of some snack cakes and post it here.

Anyway, I wouldn't even go as far as saying it has to have been angry rural anti-cyclists. Teenagers would do it just because they think it's funny and don't know how dangerous it actually is.

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spot wrote:
Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.


You are the biggest fuck-nozzle to disgrace this forum.

Spot

+1 Only a party puppet would come up with that response. I'm guessing he favored the communist character in the Bull Winkle cartoon.

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Simple Stevie wrote:
spot wrote:


You are the biggest fuck-nozzle to disgrace this forum.

Spot


Not even close, though I do like the term "fuck-nozzle." I'll use that in place of "fuck tard" and see how the world likes it. Thanks!

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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Devlin wrote:
bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo


Generally, the sweepers appear to top out at 20 mph. They'd get caught. You'd have to have 5 or 6 staged ~18 miles apart. And there is nothing to prevent someone from sabotaging right after the sweeper passes.

John

Or you know, they could start an hour earlier.

Given how prevalent this has become it may be time to spend a couple hundred dollars and equip some of the sag wagons with these.
http://www.ipesmag.com/...gnetic-sweepers.html



I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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j p o wrote:

Given how prevalent this has become it may be time to spend a couple hundred dollars and equip some of the sag wagons with these.
http://www.ipesmag.com/...gnetic-sweepers.html


Gotta go pretty slow for it to be effective. From the website:
Most effective operating range:
TMRS1: Suspension height from ground: 3″ – Vehicle Speed: 3 to 5 mph
TMRS2: Suspension height from ground: 3″ to 5″ – Vehicle Speed: 3 to 7 mph

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j p o wrote:
Devlin wrote:
bobo wrote:
Here's a crazy thought...at a bzillion dollar event with a coupla thousand well-charged participants, how 'bouts when the swim starts, start the road brush-mobile on its lap around the course.
What'd that cost, $1000? Ten race tubulars?

You're welcome, WTC.

-bobo


Generally, the sweepers appear to top out at 20 mph. They'd get caught. You'd have to have 5 or 6 staged ~18 miles apart. And there is nothing to prevent someone from sabotaging right after the sweeper passes.

John


Or you know, they could start an hour earlier.

Given how prevalent this has become it may be time to spend a couple hundred dollars and equip some of the sag wagons with these.
http://www.ipesmag.com/...gnetic-sweepers.html


So...what's to prevent the tacks from popping the tires of the sag wagons? And doesn't a sag wagon by definition follow the bikers? :p

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [More Cowbell] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting. If memory serves, there was oil on the road @Kansas in 2010 as well.
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Bull_Winkle wrote:
Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

WOW, surprised you didn't try and bolster your argument by pointing out that the tacks only targeted black tires.
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Get used to this. There is a growing tide of resentment against these events especially longer events like Ironman which can tie up roads for hours if not most of the day.

And look on the brightside... If they were more aggressive or in the know they would have used Anti-freeze. It is a pain to clean up and you go through anti-freeze on pavement, it is like ice.

I also would not be surprised in the next five years if a car deliberately runs cyclists off the road during a race.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Happy Runner] [ In reply to ]
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"At 30 MPH, which seems fast for a street sweeper, you are talking almost four hours to go around the course... "

Not to be a math nazi, but how fast do you think the pros were riding? A sweeper could even leave 5 mins in front of the first biker, and be a "lead sweeper".
I know it's never gonna happen, but that doesn't mean it couldn't.

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
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I was wondering the same thing. I'd maybe develop one for the front of the vehicle and one in back as a back up. I don't think the tacks would be deep enough to pop the tires of a car though would they? I don't want to find out when I'm driving that's for sure...even less if I'm on a bike!
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Rocky M] [ In reply to ]
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Don't worry about tacks... worry about oil / anti-freeze

When I used to race we were required to only run water in cooling systems or a mixture with something like water wetter. Occasionally someone would really wad up their bike and get the crank case oil on the track or run regular anti-freeze in which case the track was shut down for about 20 minutes. Anti-freeze and oil bond to the asphalt surface in a slick layer that cannot be just wiped up. Generally it takes applying a solvent and more drawn out process to really get it cleans up to be safe. One of the easiest things to do is fill up balloons with anti-freeze and throw them out a sun roof. There is a long stretch of curvy highway called "The tail of the dragon" that is extremely popular with motorcycles and every year it gets bombed like this.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Gary Mc] [ In reply to ]
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Gary Mc wrote:
j p o wrote:


Given how prevalent this has become it may be time to spend a couple hundred dollars and equip some of the sag wagons with these.
http://www.ipesmag.com/...gnetic-sweepers.html



Gotta go pretty slow for it to be effective. From the website:
Most effective operating range:
TMRS1: Suspension height from ground: 3″ – Vehicle Speed: 3 to 5 mph
TMRS2: Suspension height from ground: 3″ to 5″ – Vehicle Speed: 3 to 7 mph

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Get used to this. There is a growing tide of resentment against these events especially longer events like Ironman which can tie up roads for hours if not most of the day.

Is there any thought that this might be in retaliation to nearly 12 months of new bicyclists crowding uncrowded streets, breaking laws, and leaving trash behind?

Imagine you live in a sleepy community. Then one day your streets have been invaded with bicyclists who won't share the road and who disregard stop signs and traffic lights. But who am I kidding. Ironman triathletes don't do those things.
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You do know that the tacks were thrown mid race? The oil happened before the event and was taken care of before almost everyone arrived. I think my course guys and local authorities did an incredible job responding to the issues. This has nothing to do with be being "lazy" or "cheap."

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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happened in the tour de france before.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [jjh] [ In reply to ]
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It's probably happened more times than we would all like to think, but then again judging by the responses in this thread perhaps not. Remember during an Alcatraz race in the mid 1990's there were tacks strewn around the road winding through the Presidio. That was a sucky mess.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [endurathonrd] [ In reply to ]
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Too often we have threads about law enforcement not caring about cyclist safety -- thankfully that's not the case here:

http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/...91-001a4bcf6878.html
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [jjh] [ In reply to ]
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nice to get clarification from the race director, thanks brian
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [endurathonrd] [ In reply to ]
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Incredible job by you, your crew and the authorities Brian. I loved IM Chattanooga and hope to be back someday. Every local person I met was thrilled and excited to have the race. Sadly, there are idiots everywhere.
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You do know that the tacks were thrown mid race? The oil happened before the event and was taken care of before almost everyone arrived. I think my course guys and local authorities did an incredible job responding to the issues. This has nothing to do with be being "lazy" or "cheap."

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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [endurathonrd] [ In reply to ]
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You do know that the tacks were thrown mid race? The oil happened before the event and was taken care of before almost everyone arrived. I think my course guys and local authorities did an incredible job responding to the issues. This has nothing to do with be being "lazy" or "cheap."

Brian Myrick - RD

No, I don't think many/any folks knew the tacks were thrown mid-race, including those people who were at the race. I know the Free Times articles I read never mentioned it happened mid-race. I am sure if most had known that, there would be no issues.
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How were they being lazy? Did you do the race? Did you actually witness their response? I did, and I saw them out cleaning up the mess before I even got to the sections where the oils were spread. I was in the water within the first minute of the age group start so I was one of the early riders out on the course. I actually did the race and was there to witness how quickly WTC worked to clean messed that they had no control over. Also, it appeared the course had been swept and they had all the potholes and rough sections along the bike course clearly marked with orange paint prior to the start. If you weren't actually there then you can't really comment on their response to these incidents.
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Dumping tacks and oil onto the road is probably the result a republican/conservative tactic within the bible belt to discourage cycling. I could be wrong, but out here in the liberal west coast, I can't recall an incident of slime balls dumping tacks onto an event bike course.

Happened at the Boulevard RR many years ago. There are a lot of redneck enclaves in CA.

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From some of the pics I've seen I don't believe that tacks and oil are the only problem-



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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Gary Mc] [ In reply to ]
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Gary Mc wrote:
justarunner wrote:
This was my thinking exactly.

WTC is just being horribly financially lazy at the cost of their customer.

It's just so hard to imagine how such a company constantly doesn't do what they can to make the customer happy while still making huge profits.

Just look at Disney, they charge INSANE amounts for 5ks and half marathons and provide unparalleled satisfaction. They will gladly spend an extra few thousand to make people happy.

WTC, take a note from Disney. Stop sucking and dicking your customers.


WTC typically sweeps the bike course twice before a race as well as patching potholes and marking hazards. I know because I have been that guy marking every turn, sweeping corners, and laying down qwik-patch. They also have multiple vehicles ahead of the race looking for anything that could create a safety hazard. Then there are bike techs on course patroling sections to help athletes with mechanical issues. And there are police and hundreds of volunteers on the course. Still it's 112 miles of open road and a determined person can vandalize the course if that is what they choose to do.
While I know it's popular to rag on WTC as greedy and uncaring, the truth is they do a tremendous amount of work behind the scenes to ensure a safe race and a good experience for everyone.

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Can't fault WTC for their efforts.

I also know that Rev3 had some local volunteers out patching potholes last weekend on the bike course ahead of the November 9th Rev3 FL. In addition, they were doing some PR with folks living along the route who might be inconvenienced during the race.

Unfortunately there are always going to be some jerks out there who get a kick out of causing problems for others. Just like the folks who routinely break their beer bottles on the bike lanes around here every week.

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Maui5150 wrote:
Get used to this. There is a growing tide of resentment against these events especially longer events like Ironman which can tie up roads for hours if not most of the day.

And look on the brightside... If they were more aggressive or in the know they would have used Anti-freeze. It is a pain to clean up and you go through anti-freeze on pavement, it is like ice.

I also would not be surprised in the next five years if a car deliberately runs cyclists off the road during a race.


You're about 5 years late on a car running cyclists off the road:

Or even runners: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/...hon-1-person-injured
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From some of the pics I've seen I don't believe that tacks and oil are the only problem-


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Is there any thought that this might be in retaliation to nearly 12 months of new bicyclists crowding uncrowded streets, breaking laws, and leaving trash behind?

Imagine you live in a sleepy community. Then one day your streets have been invaded with bicyclists who won't share the road and who disregard stop signs and traffic lights.

I agree, the only recourse to litter and ignoring stop signs is to do something to them that might cause serious injury or worse.

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I think my course guys and local authorities did an incredible job responding to the issues. This has nothing to do with be being "lazy" or "cheap."

Brian Myrick - RD

I think the local community were absolutely spot on. Just because some tit decides to do that (something that happens at a lot of other races) the overriding story should be about the sheer size of the welcome from Chattanooga that everyone received.

Just as an example, I walked / hobbled past a pub shortly after crossing the finishing line. I was wearing a silver space blanket and shivering away. The whole pub / patio erupted in applause, invited me in and bought me beer. Brilliant.

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I was out there racing this year. I agree with you. The cops and the volunteers that were out there to direct us away from the trouble areas were awesome. I saw the sand absorbent, but didn't know the reason for it until after the race. I saw the cyclists with flats on the side of the road, but didn't know the true cause until after the race. From my saddle, it was as if nothing happened.

endurathonrd wrote:
You do know that the tacks were thrown mid race? The oil happened before the event and was taken care of before almost everyone arrived. I think my course guys and local authorities did an incredible job responding to the issues. This has nothing to do with be being "lazy" or "cheap."

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I felt like whoever was covering the oil areas did an excellent job of directing traffic. Both times I rode past it I thought it was erosion slide or something similar based on the dirt but it was very clear what traffic police want us racers to do out there.

I also had the chance to ride the course multiple times before race day. I had in my head certain places to watch for bumps and potholes and such. Everyone I rode past was filled or marked on race day.

I didn't sign up for next year because it doesn't quite align with my 2015 plans, but I will definitely be back to do that race again.
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Agree. The team did an outstanding job in my eyes. I was one of the first riders through that section and by the time I got there cops were already setup, blocking the lane and diverted traffic and bikers. If not for the news stories, I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
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Turd Ferguson wrote:
From some of the pics I've seen I don't believe that tacks and oil are the only problem-


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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Daremo] [ In reply to ]
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I was passed by 3-4 pelotons. Each time I yelled at them and asked if they planned on cheating the entire bike course. Not one person looked over to acknowlege me. I think that one of the larger groups of around 20 was directly responsible for an accident that happened right outside of the town in Georgia. They need more race officials, particularly on the back half of the loop.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [Turd Ferguson] [ In reply to ]
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That rider spacing is about as good as you are going to realistically get with a huge number of people. If drafting is what you are referring to.
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Re: Tacks and oil at IM Choo [IREPathletics] [ In reply to ]
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Any idea if these guys were ever caught?


Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.
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