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Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)

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I am making the trip back to the motherland exclusively for this race. As a side benefit, I will see mom and grandma, I suppose.

I really hope it does well and continues. Ross is a great guy and I'm glad he's putting it on

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iank wrote:
I am making the trip back to the motherland exclusively for this race. As a side benefit, I will see mom and grandma, I suppose.

I really hope it does well and continues. Ross is a great guy and I'm glad he's putting it on

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There's also a run/bike/run/bike/run du option for those of us who are averse to swimming
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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This sounds very confusing.
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Staz] [ In reply to ]
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It's really not. Run-bike-run-swim-run-bike-run
You alternate sports, and in the middle of it, you run to and from the lake

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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omg that looks so fun
have to see if I can fit it in
would have to do it after a long run day (training for a marathon) but wth???
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Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)

bump - trying to get some love for this potentially awesome new event!
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [ddixon] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)


bump - trying to get some love for this potentially awesome new event!

Well done.

For those of use Real Athletes (™) who are doing the triathlon instead of the lame-ass duathletes, figuring out the clothes to wear during the race will be the eighth leg.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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"For those of use Real Athletes (™) who are doing the triathlon instead of the lame-ass duathletes, figuring out the clothes to wear during the race will be the eighth leg. "

Electric socks after the swim..........I'm not a Real Athlete (tm), I'll be nice and warm in the du

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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ddixon wrote:
klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)


bump - trying to get some love for this potentially awesome new event!


Well done.

For those of use Real Athletes (™) who are doing the triathlon instead of the lame-ass duathletes, figuring out the clothes to wear during the race will be the eighth leg.

What's to figure out? Real Athletes (TM) shouldn't need to do anything more than rock the Speedo! :-)
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Wish I could do this! Definitely for next year.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Bmanners] [ In reply to ]
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i'm not able to get to the race website on my work computer. can someone post the race location. i'm in DE. i did the Pine Barrens last weekend. i'll go if its not too much further. it sounds like a stoopid good time.
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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That looks great. A little too short notice at this point for me, but a definite contender for my 2015 calendar
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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i'm not able to get to the race website on my work computer. can someone post the race location. i'm in DE. i did the Pine Barrens last weekend. i'll go if its not too much further. it sounds like a stoopid good time.

905 Wells Mills Road (Route 532), Waretown, NJ

About 30 miles east of the Pinelands race.

Stupid is the operative word here. :-)

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gienopes wrote:
That looks great. A little too short notice at this point for me, but a definite contender for my 2015 calendar

Might not be on anyone's 2015 calendar if enough people don't do it in 2014...

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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It's at Wells Mills Park in Ocean, NJ

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I'll be coming from Long Island. It's not so bad because the race doesn't start until 9 am.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Well, with a 5 week old in the house...
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It's at Wells Mills Park in Ocean, NJ

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I'll be coming from Long Island. It's not so bad because the race doesn't start until 9 am.

And cash to top 3 OA M/F in both Tri & Du
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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If it was near by I would be doing it!
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [gienopes] [ In reply to ]
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gienopes wrote:
Well, with a 5 week old in the house...

Don't worry, it gets better.............once they go away to college!

You better get your racing in now.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Oh yeah. This is my 3rd time at this dance. I'll be race ready come spring time.
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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That sounds like just my cup o' tea. I'd be in if I weren't getting married that weekend.

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ddixon wrote:
klehner wrote:
ddixon wrote:
klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)


bump - trying to get some love for this potentially awesome new event!


Well done.

For those of use Real Athletes (™) who are doing the triathlon instead of the lame-ass duathletes, figuring out the clothes to wear during the race will be the eighth leg.

What's to figure out? Real Athletes (TM) shouldn't need to do anything more than rock the Speedo! :-)

In all seriousness, I'm not planning on wearing anything other than a trisuit. I'll probably put toe booties on bike shoes, and if it's extra cold I'll wear arm warmers and a hat until the swim.

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gienopes wrote:
Well, with a 5 week old in the house...
Waaaaaaa


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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Saw this on some flyer I got. Was thinking about it but have no idea what the gear strategy is. Is there one main transition that you keep returning to or are there multiple transition sites? Do you swim with running shoes on? I'm confused.


Anyone with inside info/experience?

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Trecca17] [ In reply to ]
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Nobody has experience with this race because it's the first time.
The rest of your questions are generally answerable by perusing around the website for a bit, but basically:
There's one "main" transition area, except that you have to run to and from the lake. You'll start and finish the one swim in the same spot, so no, you don't have to leave your shoes on.

I understand the need to have all the every little detail figured out, but at the same time, I think this is the sort of thing that Fleck and Slowman say all the time. For once, we're presented with something out of the box, and instead we're too worried about whether the gear will be all in one spot or it'll be logistically difficult. I can attest to Ross's ability to put on a race, that he'll have everything planned out, so there's no need to sweat the details for fear that the RD won't.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [iank] [ In reply to ]
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Cool. Appreciate the info and I will check out the website.

Totally agree with your last point. Always getting bogged down in the details takes away from the challenge sometimes.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [ddixon] [ In reply to ]
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ddixon wrote:
klehner wrote:
ddixon wrote:
klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)


bump - trying to get some love for this potentially awesome new event!


Well done.

For those of use Real Athletes (™) who are doing the triathlon instead of the lame-ass duathletes, figuring out the clothes to wear during the race will be the eighth leg.


What's to figure out? Real Athletes (TM) shouldn't need to do anything more than rock the Speedo! :-)

Word. Ken is a wuss. Not enough squats these days apparently.

Everybody knows duathlons are WAAAAAY harder than tri's.

Lemme see if:
a - I can get a day pass from the Boss (not Springsteen)
b - I'm not dinged up from Ragnar this weekend; having semi-chronic Mad Calf Disease is getting really, really old
(as am I - likely highly correlated.)

Would be nice to crush just a few more dreams on the P5 before I hang it up for the winter.


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''Everybody knows duathlons are WAAAAAY harder than tri's.''


Yeah but with the swim in the middle that argument goes out the window. I'm in the Du and the way I see it, while those guys are out there trying to chop a hole in the ice for the swim, I'll just run by, nice and warm

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Trecca17] [ In reply to ]
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Trecca17 wrote:
Saw this on some flyer I got. Was thinking about it but have no idea what the gear strategy is. Is there one main transition that you keep returning to or are there multiple transition sites? Do you swim with running shoes on? I'm confused.


Anyone with inside info/experience?

There is one transition area between the run and bike legs. After the second leg (bike), you run to the lake, where you can have some stuff (wetsuit if you need it). Since the swim finishes where it starts, you don't have to carry anything like your shoes. You swim, then you put your shoes back on and run back to the transition area where you finish the last bike/run legs.

Check out the leg descriptions on the web site.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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How far is it from NYC?, this looks like fun.
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SlowAmericano wrote:
How far is it from NYC?, this looks like fun.

The web site has all the location and direction info.

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SlowAmericano wrote:
How far is it from NYC?, this looks like fun.

Google maps told me it's 2:20 from Nassau County but remember, it doesn't start until 9am so there is plenty of time.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [Sweeney] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, I think I'm in
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Sweeney wrote:
''Everybody knows duathlons are WAAAAAY harder than tri's.''


Yeah but with the swim in the middle that argument goes out the window. I'm in the Du and the way I see it, while those guys are out there trying to chop a hole in the ice for the swim, I'll just run by, nice and warm

Whaaa? Dude, the race is October 12th not January 12th. Real Athletes (TM) shouldn't even need a wetsuit. Even us LAD's should be fine with just a trisuit.
Race sounds like a great, fun way to end the season, kudos to Ross for putting this on!
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That sounds like just my cup o' tea. I'd be in if I weren't getting married that weekend.

Pish. I got married 9/7/1996, and this was the next day (I crossed the finish line with a bunch of beer cans trailing behind me). Still married.

Dude, you gotta set expectations early!

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Congratulations! You are Registered
Race Information

Race: Survival of the Mills


i suspect this is gonna hurt .......
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Congratulations! You are Registered
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Race: Survival of the Mills


i suspect this is gonna hurt .......



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ddixon wrote:
Sweeney wrote:
''Everybody knows duathlons are WAAAAAY harder than tri's.''


Yeah but with the swim in the middle that argument goes out the window. I'm in the Du and the way I see it, while those guys are out there trying to chop a hole in the ice for the swim, I'll just run by, nice and warm

Whaaa? Dude, the race is October 12th not January 12th. Real Athletes (TM) shouldn't even need a wetsuit. Even us LAD's should be fine with just a trisuit.
Race sounds like a great, fun way to end the season, kudos to Ross for putting this on!

If it's anything like today in NJ, I'll be regretting not doing the swim. My wife and I went over there for a wedding last night then did the ride from Sea Girt along the ocean to Ft Handcock in Sandy Hook and back. Man, it was like a summer day. Belmar was jumping like it was the middle of July not the end of September.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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This has been on my radar screen since DQ events announced the race at the beginning of the season! Plan to skip the swim and do the du. Really looking forward to it! Only two weeks away!

DQ Events put on great races at reasonable cost. You don't get alot of extra frills but you can be assured of a safe course and great racing!
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themadcyclist wrote:
This has been on my radar screen since DQ events announced the race at the beginning of the season! Plan to skip the swim and do the du. Really looking forward to it! Only two weeks away!

DQ Events put on great races at reasonable cost. You don't get alot of extra frills but you can be assured of a safe course and great racing!

Just a minor clarification, although the race is listed on the DQ Events site, Ross Reynolds is the RD and he will put on a great race.
2 weeks from today, come on Mid atlantic tri/du guys and gals, lets support this new race!
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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SOTM (Survival of the Mills) is shaping up and going to be ONE EPIC EVENT! Thanks for all the chatter and help in getting the word out. When I created this race it was supposed to be challenging and something out of the ordinary and I promise you it will be! I know the course and race itself will be fun and challenging but one thing I cant control is mother nature. Either way I feel it will earn it's SURVIVAL namesake.
Hope to see everyone on the 12th. Ross Reynolds (SOTM RD)
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Ross, thanks for putting this all together. I have a feeling this race will be a 'must do' in the years to come. Can't wait for the inaugural edition on the 12th!
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I just upgraded to the tri. No sense missing out on a splash in the Pine Barrens cedar water. No sense? That's the whole reason I'm doing this in the first place. About a week and a half away, I can't wait!

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I thought my race season was over but this sounds pretty awesome. Hoping I can make it a day trip from NYC.

Question for anyone with ankle rolling issues (I have nerve damage and drop foot from two spine surgeries) - has any found an ankle brace that is effective at preventing rolling issues on trail runs yet flexible enough to race in? I've stopped trail runnign since the injury and roll my ankle quite frequently with the slightest uneven surface. Not being able to run off the pavement is a deal breaker with life.
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checking in

the weather looks decent for mid October. probably high 50s, maybe low 60s, no rain. the website says the lake was 72 degrees on Sept 30th and that's the wild card. the water will probably be high 60s on game day. i don't want to freeze but i just can't imagine doing a trail duathlon, even one this short, and then getting into my wetsuit. or at least TRYING to get into it. talk about a hot mess.

plans? disingenuous sabotaging suggestions?

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High 60s=no wetsuit. ITU uses 68 as the cutoff and they seem to be ok with it.

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checking in

the weather looks decent for mid October. probably high 50s, maybe low 60s, no rain. the website says the lake was 72 degrees on Sept 30th and that's the wild card. the water will probably be high 60s on game day. i don't want to freeze but i just can't imagine doing a trail duathlon, even one this short, and then getting into my wetsuit. or at least TRYING to get into it. talk about a hot mess.

plans? disingenuous sabotaging suggestions?

I'm thinking HTFU. Maybe bring a swim cap and goggles, but going with the Liftfoil for the whole race.

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checking in

the weather looks decent for mid October. probably high 50s, maybe low 60s, no rain. the website says the lake was 72 degrees on Sept 30th and that's the wild card. the water will probably be high 60s on game day. i don't want to freeze but i just can't imagine doing a trail duathlon, even one this short, and then getting into my wetsuit. or at least TRYING to get into it. talk about a hot mess.

plans? disingenuous sabotaging suggestions?


I'm thinking HTFU. Maybe bring a swim cap and goggles, but going with the Liftfoil for the whole race.

see? that's why i come to slowtwich. for the camaraderie and the sage wisdom. ;-)


iank: good point about the ITU and 68 degrees.
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SOTM (Survival of the Mills) is shaping up and going to be ONE EPIC EVENT! Thanks for all the chatter and help in getting the word out. When I created this race it was supposed to be challenging and something out of the ordinary and I promise you it will be! I know the course and race itself will be fun and challenging but one thing I cant control is mother nature. Either way I feel it will earn it's SURVIVAL namesake.
Hope to see everyone on the 12th. Ross Reynolds (SOTM RD)

I see that the entries are rolling in today!

How will you arrange the bags by the lake? I would assume also that anything we want back we'll have to put in the bag before we start stage 5 (the run after the swim).

Any update on the water temp? You should have cameras there to capture people putting on wetsuits while the clock is running: now that will be EPIC!

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sbrreynolds wrote:
SOTM (Survival of the Mills) is shaping up and going to be ONE EPIC EVENT! Thanks for all the chatter and help in getting the word out. When I created this race it was supposed to be challenging and something out of the ordinary and I promise you it will be! I know the course and race itself will be fun and challenging but one thing I cant control is mother nature. Either way I feel it will earn it's SURVIVAL namesake.
Hope to see everyone on the 12th. Ross Reynolds (SOTM RD)

How technical are the trails? Bring trial shoes or would racing flats work? I suspect with today's rain, things will be awesomely, damn muddy and I am looking forward to ending the season with an epic good time at your race!!!!!!
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The trails don't look technical.Check out the video:



It's going to rain for 24 hour the day before, but it's all sand over there. I'll bring two pairs of shoes, but I don't think it will be bad at all.

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The trails don't look technical.Check out the video:



It's going to rain for 24 hour the day before, but it's all sand over there. I'll bring two pairs of shoes, but I don't think it will be bad at all.

"Water temp on 10/8 was 67 degrees."

I may have to reconsider my HTFU stragedy...

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Even at 67 degrees I still like your htfu strategy, I'm thinking liftfoil all the way as well.
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sbrreynolds wrote:
SOTM (Survival of the Mills) is shaping up and going to be ONE EPIC EVENT! Thanks for all the chatter and help in getting the word out. When I created this race it was supposed to be challenging and something out of the ordinary and I promise you it will be! I know the course and race itself will be fun and challenging but one thing I cant control is mother nature. Either way I feel it will earn it's SURVIVAL namesake.
Hope to see everyone on the 12th. Ross Reynolds (SOTM RD)

Word seems to be getting out and registrations are on the rise. Weather for Sunday looks great, absolutely perfect for a r/b/r/b/r..hopefully all of the Real Athletes (TM) won't suffer too much during the swim :-)

Really looking forward to what should be an awesomely fun race!
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Even at 67 degrees I still like your htfu strategy, I'm thinking liftfoil all the way as well.

i too bought the HTFU strategy. so if that was your plan all along and you plan to stand there (in your wetsuit) laughing at us, then i promise to pee in your wetsuit. ;-)

kidding, cause i run slow enough that nobody will be at the lake with me.

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I have an old QR Shortjohn wetsuit; 20 seconds oon, 10 seconds off. Maybe a jacket for the run after the swim. One pair of socks until the swim, maybe another pair before the second bike. Maybe arm warmers to start, but it was really warm on Long Island so who knows.

My wife is doing the Du; she's bringing everything but the kitchen sink!

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kidding, cause i run slow enough that nobody will be at the lake with me.

One of my friends who is doing the race is likely to be among the first 1-3 guys to get to the lake (the opposite of your situation, but still "nobody there"). He's a notoriously non-straight swimmer, so I'm giving him a hard time about being alone with the buoys until Ken Barbee catches him.

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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C'mon Ken, 1 degree under ITU cutoff. I've gone surfing in 62* water and been fine. FINA rules extend down to 60 I believe...

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C'mon Ken, 1 degree under ITU cutoff. I've gone surfing in 62* water and been fine. FINA rules extend down to 60 I believe...

Pretty sure those athletes don't hit the water following 45 minutes of red-line racing...

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Well then your HR and body temp will be nice and high :)

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [iank] [ In reply to ]
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I'm straight jealous of those doing this race. I still have the flier that was left on my car at NJ State hanging on the fridge. I tried and simply can't do it - make it huge so I can be there next year. Good luck.
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I'm straight jealous of those doing this race. I still have the flier that was left on my car at NJ State hanging on the fridge. I tried and simply can't do it - make it huge so I can be there next year. Good luck.

Come on, you're a Jersey guy. Drop everything and get over there! You only get one chance to be at the first one.

Here' what the guys from Animal House would have to say about it:



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Inspiring, no question. I am certainly embarrassing my screen name by not attending. Internet shaming is well deserved. Ha ha.
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Jerseydave77 wrote:
I'm straight jealous of those doing this race. I still have the flier that was left on my car at NJ State hanging on the fridge. I tried and simply can't do it - make it huge so I can be there next year. Good luck.


Come on, you're a Jersey guy. Drop everything and get over there! You only get one chance to be at the first one.

Here' what the guys from Animal House would have to say about it:


Never thought about it, but here's a list of first-time NJ triathlons I've done, off the top of my head:

Vice-Versa (run/bike/swim)
Escape the Cape
Riverwinds Triathlon
Double Trouble (run/bike/swim/run/bike/swim)
NJ Triathlon
Do the Tri/Try the Du

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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the rain has stopped. it will be 54 degrees at gun time.
that means that the lake will be 10 degrees warmer than the air. that's good, right?

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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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BEST RACE EVER. Well, it certainly competes in my heart with Rev3 Rush, Tri Tri Again, and Escape from Alcatraz (none of which are straight SBR, probably a theme there).
Swimming in that water without a wetsuit or cap was pretty awful, not going to lie. It took 3/4 of a mile after that swim to regain any sort of orientation.

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Fantastic race today dude. I was the one running with you down to the lake on the 2nd run. That water was cold with a wetsuit!

I agree - it was a great race. Course sounded a bit confusing in the pre race meeting, but everything worked out great. Well marked and volunteers were awesome. Could not get lost.
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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yeah, that was pretty fun morning. the trails to and from the lake were the best part. that and the hyperventalating-ice-cream-headache of the lake.
good times.

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Great, great, great way to end the season. Trails were a lot more technical than I thought from the video. Damn that water was cold. Even in my ShortJohn wetsuit my left hand turned to a claw in the first 100 yards. Did I like that? Hell no. Did I love everything else? You bet I did!

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BEST RACE EVER. Well, it certainly competes in my heart with Rev3 Rush, Tri Tri Again, and Escape from Alcatraz (none of which are straight SBR, probably a theme there).
Swimming in that water without a wetsuit or cap was pretty awful, not going to lie. It took 3/4 of a mile after that swim to regain any sort of orientation.

Absolutely agree, this race was awesome! Most fun I've ever had doing a race, even though that last 5k trail run hurt like a mother!
To anyone on the fence about doing this race, you owe it to yourself to come out next year and have a blast!
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By the way, did anyone else see that guy running those trails BAREFOOT! And not gently picking his way either, dude was flying! Holy crap, guy must have titanium soles in his feet.
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''even though that last 5k trail run hurt like a mother!''


I thought that ''2miles to go'' sign was the 2 mile sign. A mile later I got to the ''1 mile to go sign''. Man that made it hurt!

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ddixon wrote:
iank wrote:
BEST RACE EVER. Well, it certainly competes in my heart with Rev3 Rush, Tri Tri Again, and Escape from Alcatraz (none of which are straight SBR, probably a theme there).
Swimming in that water without a wetsuit or cap was pretty awful, not going to lie. It took 3/4 of a mile after that swim to regain any sort of orientation.

Absolutely agree, this race was awesome! Most fun I've ever had doing a race, even though that last 5k trail run hurt like a mother!
To anyone on the fence about doing this race, you owe it to yourself to come out next year and have a blast!

I third this!!! It hurt like hell but you didn't notice b/c you were in the zone trying to pick the best line on the trails! I didn't expect the trails to be so technical either but I loved every minute of it!!!!!
Kudos to the race organizer and I will be back with lots of friends next year!
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ddixon wrote:
iank wrote:
BEST RACE EVER. Well, it certainly competes in my heart with Rev3 Rush, Tri Tri Again, and Escape from Alcatraz (none of which are straight SBR, probably a theme there).
Swimming in that water without a wetsuit or cap was pretty awful, not going to lie. It took 3/4 of a mile after that swim to regain any sort of orientation.

Absolutely agree, this race was awesome! Most fun I've ever had doing a race, even though that last 5k trail run hurt like a mother!
To anyone on the fence about doing this race, you owe it to yourself to come out next year and have a blast!

I third this!!! It hurt like hell but you didn't notice b/c you were in the zone trying to pick the best line on the trails! I didn't expect the trails to be so technical either but I loved every minute of it!!!!!
Kudos to the race organizer and I will be back with lots of friends next year!

See I didn't find the last 5k so bad. To me that second bike was pretty rough though; I had nothing in my legs whatsoever

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By the way, did anyone else see that guy running those trails BAREFOOT! And not gently picking his way either, dude was flying! Holy crap, guy must have titanium soles in his feet.
Ha! This guy is a friend who I'm taking under my wing (for lack of a better word). His name is Tim Mulligan & he has a solid running pedigree (15:xx 5k runner) & his swimming has been coming along EXTREMELY well, given his short time in the water. We got him doing the ocean swims this summer & he started structured wko's in the pool a few weeks ago & is already <1:20 for 100yds.

SOTM was his 1st multi-sport event (literally a night-before decision), but his trajectory is going to be very good.

As for the barefoot running, he had an issue in transition & basically said Screw it...I'll run barefoot. Anyway, look for him to be turning some heads in the NJ tri community in 2015.
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We were running a humane-ish pace on the jeep trail for the first 3/4 of a mile or so, about 4-5 of us, then he just took off in the downhill singletrack section like no other. If I remember though, he was wearing a pair of Merrells or one of those other super-minimal shoes at the time.
To be honest, barefoot might not have been so bad on some of those wet boardwalks and logs and whatnot. Even in my Cascadias, I was terrified of slipping the whole time.

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Yeah, it was run #2 (before the lake) when he came flying past me. That section of trail had a lots of rocks, roots, etc. that looked like they could some serious damage to the bottom of your feet. Pretty ballsy decision to go barefoot on those trails, major props to Tim!
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We have results:

http://www.dqtridu.com/mills14.htm

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We have results:

http://www.dqtridu.com/mills14.htm

Wonderful. The swim split gets combined with the preceding and following run splits. Now I know why I don't remember any timing mats around the swim start/finish (I had thought it was because I was busy trying not to fall down and/or throw up).

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There was a timing mat at swim exit, but unfortunately it went blank on us, after about 20 swimmers crossed it, so we combined swim and 2 runs as one split for the triathlon.
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So how's everyone feeling today after the first Survival of the Mills. Glad to hear the positive comments as the creator I tried to make sure every detail was covered. Sorry can't control water temperature&#128513;. When I designed it I wanted to be a different and a challenge and after yesterday seing you guys put it in action I think it was. My apologies about the swim mat, they were there at the gate but they didn't function so we ended up combining run 2/ swim/ run 3 for triathletes. i want to thank all you guys for making the race happen and there was definitely a loaded field to say the least. Thanks
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So how's everyone feeling today after the first Survival of the Mills. Glad to hear the positive comments as the creator I tried to make sure every detail was covered. Sorry can't control water temperature&#128513;. When I designed it I wanted to be a different and a challenge and after yesterday seing you guys put it in action I think it was. My apologies about the swim mat, they were there at the gate but they didn't function so we ended up combining run 2/ swim/ run 3 for triathletes. i want to thank all you guys for making the race happen and there was definitely a loaded field to say the least. Thanks

My legs are killing me. I can walk upstairs reasonably well, but I can barely get down the stairs. That's what you get when your long run of the year was a 10km at NJ Triathlon in July.

I think I went from "race mode" (although Jason might say I am never in race mode) to "survival mode" somewhere on the third run. Probably what you planned.

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Thanks for a really good time, beautiful venue, good vibe and a tough course. Next year I'll bring a swim cap, live and learn. Most fun I have had at a race in a long time!
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Re: NJ Triathletes: support a cool new race [sbrreynolds] [ In reply to ]
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Ross,

Just want to say I had an absolute blast yesterday. Your race was awesome and so much fun. Thanks for putting it on. A great change up from the typical S/B/R races. My calves are pretty sore today.

Don't think you should really change much with the race - everything worked out so well and the course was perfect.
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Ross, you don't have to change a thing. it was great as it was. if you feel compelled to change things you could:

- change one of the bike legs to mtn bike. change both and make it an xterra event. i'd still come.
- have two swims (why the hell not, you have two bikes).
- drop a bike leg and incorporate some of that badass Army Ranger equipment that the boy scouts have. you could have a wicked tough Spartan race.

i vote for two swims because the runs to-and-from the lake were the best part. that was some messed up $%@#$^. i can see why you like that property.



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About the second half of the run TO the lake is the run course of XTERRA Jersey Devil. Most of the other runs along the wider jeep trail-ish area are the bike course for XTERRA.
I'd like to see more swims, but I think it's at a good point now in that it's relatively straightforward while still being pretty out of the ordinary. I suppose you could make the final run a bit shorter, but another swim adds probably a minimum of 3.5 mi of running even if you take a more direct route. That'll make the race quite a bit longer, but right now it's short enough that you're going to get more than just 20 hardmen. That might make for cool stories, but the race wouldn't last a whole lot longer.
I'm torn on the timing of this, too. I think the end of season part of it is good, because it's at the time of year when people have probably finished their A race and are less concerned about specific fitness and whatnot, but it also means the water is DAMN COLD (as was the air until the second run or so), which could scare some people off. If you add a second swim, I think it has to be earlier in the year.

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No soreness yesterday. But, man, in the morning I was exhausted. I made it to the pool later for a 1500 easy steady swim. That 82 degree water never felt so Good!

Great job with everything, Ross, your race doesn't need any changes. It gives short course racers a new experience. Everyone at the finish was thrilled with it. But, there's always a but, you've got to give out swim caps. Next year I'll be using a neoprene cap.

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Ross, the race was a blast, thanks for all of your hard work in getting this event up and running! I don't think you need to change a thing, the course, venue, distances, etc were all just right. Based on the comments I was hearing from a lot of people post race, you're gonna have a lot of good word of mouth publicity and I would expect a larger field next year.
Please say thanks to all of the volunteers that were out there on Sunday, they were fantastic!
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Thanks guys for all the feedback, as for now I will be keeping pretty much everything the same. Some minor changes with timing of 5k race, it will most likely go off earlier and be down before you guys start. I hope this race grows for next year and I will have to figure out how many the trails are capable of holding, but in my mind that is a great thing! One big addition for next year will be to clear your afternoon schedule as there will be some post race refreshments...beer garden, keg....! Thanks again and any suggestions just message me. Good luck to anyone still racing.
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Lame-ass duathlete here who really wanted to do this race (and get his keister kicked by the usual suspects, Messrs. Dixon, Hallman and Smith) but Sundays in the fall are tied up coaching youth cross country.
Any chance the race could be moved to Saturday in 2015? Or maybe an earlier start time on Sunday?
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Bumping this thread because this race is just around the corner...and I just learned the other day that I won't be able to make it back to defend the title because I'm on call that weekend. So anybody on the fence about it, I say DO IT. Also, now I'll answer the logistical/transition questions in a public forum because I don't have to worry about divulging very important secrets to defending the title.

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On the fence - but I've seen the water temp last year was somewhere between "COLD" and "DAMN COLD" -- are we talking sub 60 degree water temperature?
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On the fence - but I've seen the water temp last year was somewhere between "COLD" and "DAMN COLD" -- are we talking sub 60 degree water temperature?

There were some who swam it without any wetsuit bits, so I don't think it was sub-60. I threw on a T1 top. My feet got a bit cold by the end (after 11 minutes or so).

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NJSteve wrote:
On the fence - but I've seen the water temp last year was somewhere between "COLD" and "DAMN COLD" -- are we talking sub 60 degree water temperature?


I had been going back and forth with Ken Barbee and Jason Gers until we hit the run 2 to swim transition. I didn't put on a wetsuit. Never saw them again. I had planned on double-capping it at least, but I struggled enough putting my goggles on while running the last 150m, so I said the hell with the caps. I survived.
ETA: What I did, and what I thought the right decision for the day was (air temps were mid 50s, I want to say) was:
Thin (so not super bulky, but not that easy to get on) gloves through bike 1.
Arm warmers through run 2, then I think I put them back on for run 3 and bike 2 I believe. I think it warmed up enough that I peeled them off for the final run.
I brought my goggles with me for run 2, down to the water, and put them on in the last few hundred meters of the run. I've done this every backwards race and double super sprint I've done as well. I tuck them into the shoulder strap of my suit. I brought them back as well.
Slightly bulkier, looser, warmer, easy to put on quickly gloves for run 2 (to the lake) and run 3(from the lake). Coming out of that water is super disorienting, and it's definitely cold. I believe I went glove-less for bike 2, as it had begun to warm up by then, and I know I didn't wear any gloves for the final run.
Lastly, I wore my Pure Connects for the first run, but Brooks Cascadia trail shoes for all the other runs. I was definitely glad to have them for the last run for sure, which had some slick when wet logs and bridges.

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iank wrote:
NJSteve wrote:
On the fence - but I've seen the water temp last year was somewhere between "COLD" and "DAMN COLD" -- are we talking sub 60 degree water temperature?


I had been going back and forth with Ken Barbee and Jason Gers until we hit the run 2 to swim transition. I didn't put on a wetsuit. Never saw them again. I had planned on double-capping it at least, but I struggled enough putting my goggles on while running the last 150m, so I said the hell with the caps. I survived.
ETA: What I did, and what I thought the right decision for the day was (air temps were mid 50s, I want to say) was:
Thin (so not super bulky, but not that easy to get on) gloves through bike 1.
Arm warmers through run 2, then I think I put them back on for run 3 and bike 2 I believe. I think it warmed up enough that I peeled them off for the final run.
I brought my goggles with me for run 2, down to the water, and put them on in the last few hundred meters of the run. I've done this every backwards race and double super sprint I've done as well. I tuck them into the shoulder strap of my suit. I brought them back as well.
Slightly bulkier, looser, warmer, easy to put on quickly gloves for run 2 (to the lake) and run 3(from the lake). Coming out of that water is super disorienting, and it's definitely cold. I believe I went glove-less for bike 2, as it had begun to warm up by then, and I know I didn't wear any gloves for the final run.
Lastly, I wore my Pure Connects for the first run, but Brooks Cascadia trail shoes for all the other runs. I was definitely glad to have them for the last run for sure, which had some slick when wet logs and bridges.

Bumping this thread back to page 1. Less than 2 weeks til race day, c'mon & sign up. You won't regret it!
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Bumping this thread to page 1.
The 3rd Annual Survival of the Mills race is just over 3 weeks out, October 9th. This is a super fun race and a great way to close out the season.
Everyone who has done this race has raved about it so don't let another season end without finding out for yourselves how much fun suffering can be!
Plus great beer at the finish!

http://www.survivalofthemills.com/

https://runsignup.com/...n/SurvivaloftheMills


klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)
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4th Edition of SOTM race is this Sunday September 24th. If you want to try something a little different and maybe get out of your comfort zone, give this race a tri (or du). Weather this year should be great and the water will still be warm so why not?

ddixon wrote:
Bumping this thread to page 1.
The 3rd Annual Survival of the Mills race is just over 3 weeks out, October 9th. This is a super fun race and a great way to close out the season.
Everyone who has done this race has raved about it so don't let another season end without finding out for yourselves how much fun suffering can be!
Plus great beer at the finish!

http://www.survivalofthemills.com/

https://runsignup.com/...n/SurvivaloftheMills


klehner wrote:
Tired of those south Jersey races that make it feel like Groundhog Day?

How about a run/bike/run/swim/run/bike/run triathlon, with each run being a different route over roads, trails, etc. inside a park. If the lake is cold, you'll have to decide whether to put on wetsuit stuff or just HTFU and save time. 8.35 miles of running, .4mi of swimming, 18mi of biking. Favoring the good runners, but I'm doing it anyway. This sounds like a lot of fun.

Survival of the Mills, on 10/12 (yes, the water might be cold). A poor man's version of SOS.

Here's a cute video of the final 5km run course.

(I am not affiliated with the race in any way, just trying to generate interest in something different)
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