I agree, how can my friends see my garmin connect workout updates on their facebook feeds with all crossfit updates going on there.

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The first rule of Cross-Fit (Fight Club) is: "You Must Talk about Crossfit".

Say what you want about Crossfit, but leave the facial hair out of this.

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Not going to lie, I watched some of the CrossFit Games on ESPN this weekend.

Well you know what the worst part about crossfit is...???

Crossfitters

say what you want ( I dont't CF but a friend own a "box") but their Championship that is going on right now pays their Elite stars $$$$$$$$$ unlike WTC so they have something right

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And did you laugh hysterically at the meatheads trying to run 800m? Crossfit= meathead triathlon

And now you are bashing their taste in women? Geesh, this never ends

life and Facebook would be pretty boring if all we hear and see are the hear are the stuff that we are only interested in.

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My marathon PR is "under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something."

For the record do any of the other events pay (significant) prize money?

Reebok has deep pockets

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"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

Went to look for footage of this and all I found was a random video from a regional meet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-DP8IGuOcA

It made me laugh though because of this:

Uploader's description:

"Doing the 800m run at the start of Workout A. I'm running in my Vibram Five Fingers. I definitely need to relax more (especially my arms/traps) and I think I'm reaching too far forward with each step."

Comment on video:

"yes relax those arms and lower them also having a bigger stride is a plus, not a negative, how can gaining more distance with less energy bad?"

I agree that life would be boring, if everyone had the same interests. I think my point is how certain groups can be really overbearing with ramming their content and beliefs down our throats. Crossfitters have turned into that group for me. I guess the equivalent would be posting daily run and swim workout videos accompanied by say the occasional 3 to 5 hour GoPro cycling video. Don't forget, daily Garmin data downloads and then national triathlon news stories and daily links to Ironman.com. In addition, a daily brag post or two would make it complete. Get the idea? It gets old quick no matter what your interests are. For whatever reason, the crossfitters are the absolute worst about this kind of thing on my FB.

Sort of in the same boat. No, I don't care to see your video of your 400 pound back squat PR. And the video of the 410 pound back squat PR two weeks later, ad nauseam.

And about the facial hair, google Rick Froning. All dude Crossfitter aspire to be and look like him.... :)

watched some of it too because there was nothing else on.

The swim was funny. Those pull up things were crazy. The pushing of a 500lb thing over and over looks like a great way to get hurt. Carrying a log whoever far looks just plain stupid as far as sport goes. It's weird and didn't make me want to join a box.

Timely article from Outside:

http://www.outsideonline.com/...rity-is-Showing.html

Thank you. That so cracked me up. :D

On another note, why do all the crossfit men think that copious amounts of facial hair are so cool?

I only watched the womens where there is copious amounts of kinesio tape.

Not a CF fan myself , but in terms of conformity of appearance we are no better. I've just spent a weekend surrounded by a LOT of shaved head guys wearing compression socks and oakleys. As someone who fits that description too I find it very comforting.

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Agreed. I do my 100% best NOT to ever look like a triathlete.

So weird that we can have our own thing we like but anything else is shitty and not effective. Who cares? Do you guys trash the old ladies doing Zumba and Bodypump too? Ever talked to a triathlete all they want to talk about is their "training" and their bricks and OW swims blah blah. Everyone is into different shit, get over it.

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It's not this guy, is it?

Totally..... thank god triathletes don't brag or do weird stuff ;-)

One thing I don't get is why people show up in their trisuit for the bike check-in the day before the race.

You forgot a word

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"What's your claim?" - Ben Gravy
"Your best work is the work you're excited about" - Rick Rubin

I saw that at a local sprint and I had no clue what was going on. All I could do was say I'm glad I'm not THAT guy!

Just read this on ESPN, is Crossfit going to go after them too?

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11262964/crossf-explosive-growth-fuels-safety-concerns#correx

I would be more than happy to look like him.

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So don't watch them then, the same as they probably don't want to see the video of some tri guy before and after he takes out 4mm of stem spacers and posts repeated check my fit videos..

next you are going to bitch about all the facial hair on the girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What did 7th place earn?

I think the injury issue is overstated, all sports lead to the potential for injury. A good friend is a PT and he said the number one activity he sees injury from (sport related injury) is runners, followed by high school sports such as soccer, football, basketball, and then triathletes/cyclists. I asked about CF and he said he has seen a few but nothing like the media has hyped it up to be. He said he recently attended a med conference which addressed CF and the potential injuries and the general vibe was that it was not going to be a sport driving people into PT's offices/ serious injury.

I think part of the drive against CF is because the typical gyms are hurting and trying to push a PR campaign to get people out of CF and back into spin class. I asked a GM of a local Lifetime fitness who he views as his primary competition and he said without a doubt CF, he said they draw all backgorunds and its hard to get people to come back to a normal gym.

I just realized something while reading your post.

Aren't crossfitters essentially the weightlifting versions of us?

Yep, they are exactly like us, in fact in their definition they state the goal of CF is to be generalists of the "ten fitness domains". They pretty much do everything triathletes do and like triathletes assume they are better than everybody else because they are somewhat skilled in multiple sports.

You seem knowledgeable about CF. What's the deal with this event*? Specifically, what's up with having to hold the rope?

http://games.crossfit.com/...eam-6-mile-relay-run

*I like watching the CF games.

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+1 Can't deny the fact that I took up CF in my off season and the strength gains are very noticeable in my training this year.

Can't imagine CF people complaining about all the tri people talking about workouts in their feeds :D

Whole injury thing is hype. Pick a responsible organization/"box" to train at where they don't allow you to sacrifice form for weight and have the personal accountability to know your limits and its just like any other sport. In my n=1 experience I've been busted up more in my tri training and other sports than I have in CF.

I calculate the winners ran 6.5min/mile pace for the run. Not shabby at all considering how much muscle mass they all have.

I recon the rope is just to keep the paired team together. Also gives a chance to add equipment (a rope) into the event.

That's nice, but I could have someone do pushups situps etc. and still see significant strength gains. It is not a strength and conditioning system for sports. For a soccer player does it make you faster, does it make your cuts quicker, does it make you jump higher. No one really cares that you can lift more wt (snatch, jerk, clean, etc.) don't mean crap if it doesn't make you a better athlete. Just lifting more doesn't necessarily make you a better athlete.

are you joking?

The role holding was part of a relay in the team division. There is a masters division (think age group), team competition, and then the individual competition ( "pro"). Most of the dumb stuff happens in the team events/masters where people are really not that fit at all and lots of bad form etc. You also get more steroid use in the masters/team competitions as well which i think diminishes its legitimacy as well.

I like watching CF and do it on occasion as its a good method of weight training in my opinion but i have no illusion that it will make me faster.

No and if you think differently you have no concept as to principles of strength and conditioning nor exercise physiology. Mi suggest you go read up on both.

perhaps you should notify the Olympic weightlifters... oh the irony. That's like a weightlifter saying "just running a quicker marathon doesn't make you a better athlete." You're comparing two totally dissimilar sports and claiming only one competitor is an "athlete"

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Agreed. Needs of the athlete will always dictate their best training methods. Clean, snatch, jerk...those are all explosive movements meant to train for explosive strength and speed, beneficial for all athletes mentioned. Go to most collegiate weight rooms and you will see the teams performing all of these movements in conjunction with your squats and controlled movements. Strength comes in many forms.

Power to weight ratio is the bottom line, holds true for humans as well as machines. As long as the athlete with agility and speed demands does not compromise their speed, agility and flexibility with the added strength/weight gains then they are improving and going to perform well.

Depends on the sport obviously, but there is absolutely a correlation between compound movement explosive strength and explosiveness in many components of many different sports. That is not even debatable and it is backed by decades of EBR. If there wasn't, college and professional programs wouldn't be spending millions per year on equipment and s&c coaches. Now, crossfit generally does not teach the most efficient methods to improving this explosiveness; high rep explosive movements is a definite WTF no matter how you dice it.

yup! haha
love when the new dude shows up and drops a post on what he/she thinks might be a novel topic. Note to all: Search Function is a good friend

Say, on the topic of Powercranks ?:)...



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WATCH THE VIDEO.

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You mean you DON'T sleep in your trisuit?

The difference is these are incorporated into a proper strength program at most colleges that utilize a proper professional. No program relies on these alone as they are primarily single plane exercise, where most sports rely on multi plane movements

says the DPT/CSCS/SCS?

Example: You tell me strengthening and establishing flexibility/resilience in the posterior chain (through any method, not just CF) does not translate to running/cycling?

If your training plan doesn't include strength training similar to some CF movements and focus (squats, core, etc.) you're missing out.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with your original post. Are you really suggesting that in crossfit they only do movements in the sagital plane? If so, it's not even worth having a conversation. There are a lot of things to dislike about crossfit, this is not one of them.

The ignorance and hypocrisy from both crossfitters and endurance athletes when discussing each others sport never ceases to amaze me.

Agreed.

Apparently OWL is the only thing that is in CF training.

Having just read the new Lava "Lindsay Corbin" issue, it describes her physical therapist's plan for her rehab from stress fractures. Shockingly it included 2X per week of heavy lifting right up until Kona race day last year (ala crossfit, but probably without the "for time" component (which IMHO is how people like me got injured in Crossfit, that and trying to life too much weight too soon but I let my desire to keep up with the younger ladies outweigh my physical ability (dumb ego!).

Bree Wee also does Crossfit.

I'm just sayin...

indeed.

agreed in what gets people into trouble in CF is not being accountable to themselves in relation to their abilities and the coaches not checking them.

A good box helps with that.

Senescence- aging over time.
Is a fatal disease.

Exercise is one strategy that has proven to be somewhat sucessful in dealing with the problem of senescence.
Many people seem to mistake the "treatment" for the disease with the disease itself.

Runners- how often do we hear:
"Running destroys your knees?"
No -old age, being over weight, and inactive, destroys your knees.
Running is simply incapable of overcoming all problems.

Random accidents and senelecence are part of life. Weight training did not invent theses problems.

On the other hand, dilettantism is also a symptom of aging. Doing random stuff in a half-ass way is an expression of dilettantism. Much weight training (and especially crossfit) seem more an expression of dilettantism than "exercise."

Triathlon might be the stupidest "challenge" ever.
Yet lap swimming, weight training, cross fit- are simply activities that many people do to convince themselves they are doing "something."
When in fact they are doing nothing.

Even a stupid challenge is better than that.

Whats to dislike is a program that fundamentally ignores most scientific principles around strength and conditioning but follows the rantings of an ignorant founder who decides whatever he thinks is fact.

Crossfit is a program that primarily uses olympic lifts to form the basis of its programming. Been there, done it, waste of time

Once again, a post which has absolutely nothing to do with your original statement that we all disagree with. Yes, crossfit does include quite a bit of olympic lifting (which sadly very few others do nowadays), but to say it is the primary means of programming is pure ignorance. This is just like the myth that crossfitters do no endurance training...except for the fact that in the last Crossfit games more than 25% of the events including long bouts of running/swimming/biking/rowing. You sound more bitter and ignorant with each response.

We get it, you don't like lifting heavy things, that does not make your original statement any less asinine. Lifting heavy things in an explosive manner is very beneficial to many components of many sports. Period, end of story.

I am the farthest thing from a crossfit proponent and share your disdain for the odd culture, the absurdity of some of the methodology, and (most certainly) Glassman, but as someone who studied exercise physiology for a very long time (PhD, MS, CSCS, PES, CES) and is a former professional strength coach; statements like your original one really rub me the wrong way.

Not what I am saying. They do help but they don't necessarily make you a better athlete in said sport. All that I am saying.

Example. Strength Coach to coach. Billy can squat 200lbs more than six months ago.
Coach to strength coach. That's nice but can he run faster.

These things are not mutually connected.

Sorry. That's nice but I also have a PHD in exercise physiology. Teach at university, CSCS certified l, PES and no Olympic lifts contrary to what you believe are not necessary to make you a better athlete. They make you better at Olympic Lifting. They do not necessarily make you a better athlete. I have worked with many pro football players who were weight room hero's and on the field zero's.

Hmm. Last time I was at the NFL combine there was only one lifting test, bench. No Olympic lifting tests.

Would you like to re-read your original statement instead of continuing to go off on tangents? You could replace olympic lifting with running (in your original post) and come to the exact same conclusion. Does running more automatically make you better at your sport (unless your sport is running)?

And please tell me you did not just insinuate that the sub-maximal load for maximum rep bench press was a more relevant metric for football than an olympic movement. The bench press is there for one single reason: it is safer. From a functional standpoint the movement and the volume are almost completely useless for football. Are you also going to argue that olympic movements do not assist in improving vertical and broad jumping ability (which they do test at the combine)? Excuse me for questioning your credentials as you continue to make ridiculous posts.

Triathlon- a ridiculous and arbitrary challenge of fitness and endurance that some people pursue as an end in itself and which others pursue as a reason for which to "exercise."
Triathlon training-a systematic program of exercise and skill training with the explicit goal of making one faster at triathlon.

Crossfit training- a ridiculous set of activities without sense or purpose (unless looking good to other meatheads is a purpose).
Crossfit games- a competition designed to give a purpose to the "crossfit" activities.

There was the guy who tied weather balloons to his lawn chair and drifted into LAX airspace. When asked why he said:
"I guy has gotta do something. Can't just sit around watching tv."
True!!
But first we should chose a goal and then figure out how to achieve it.
Not just do random stuff and then try to justify it.

For a while I struggled with why I didn't "get" crossfit, but this is pretty much it. It's like they created a competition to test their workout routine, like the World's Strongest Man, but with better marketing.

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I highly doubt yours as well. Keep going in circles if you like but again Olympic lifting is not a singular way of improving strength and power like you are arguing. I could just as easily put together a plyometric program which would be better for long jump or vertical improvement.

Peace

I'm sure you are familiar with the maxim; I am going to stop arguing with the idiot....and then go tell my football players that we are going to run a 5k today.

 
>Not just do random stuff and then try to justify it.

I don't get your distinction. Triathlon is also just random stuff that we justify by turning into a competition.

Triathlon might be random. (I said "ridiculous" and "arbitrary".)
Triathlon training, however, is a systematic process for achieving this "ridiculous" and "arbitrary" goal.

I have a stupid goal. The best way to achieve this goal is x followed by y, followed by z.

Crossfit does not start out with a goal at all. (Unless looking good to other meatheads counts). It starts out with a bunch of pointless activities. Crossfit games and a bunch of psuedo-psuedo science is then used to justify the activities.
This seems backwards.

If life is a journey, it is not the end destination that counts. Who cares that triathlon is pointless?
But without a destination, one is just wandering around aimlessly. One never gets anywhere at all.
Just lingering around the box!!

Dedication to a recognizably pointless goal is probably a hall mark of a certain kind if person.
We want to do things.
Anything!
The stupider, often the better.
(Like triathlon).

It is not enough to act like we are doing things.
It is not enough to look like we might have done something.
It is not enough to "feel" like we have done something.





Not to be judg

For everyone? you are 100% positive that this is the case for everyone?



For everyone? you are 100% positive that this is the case for everyone?


I've met people personally who started crossfit with goals and I have met people who started triathlon with no goals.

 

>Crossfit does not start out with a goal at all.

Sure it starts with a goal. The goal is to increase fitness, with the definition of fitness provided by Crossfit, e.g. a broad mix of strength, stamina, etc. Also I think there's an unstated goal to "look good."
Crossfit training is also highly structured and systematic.

>It starts out with a bunch of pointless activities.

Pointless to whom? That's an arbitrary judgment. Running for the sake of running faster is no more "meaningful" than doing pull-ups for the sake of doing more pull-ups.

(I'm not a Crossfitter, so have no real dog in this fight, I just find the vocal criticism to be odd. From my perception it's a little cultish, but also a healthy, time-efficient way to stay physically fit.)

Trail. It appears you and I agree on a broad array of topics. Including this one. I too have no strong feeling about CF but agree fully on your assesment.

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Why is such a significant faction of this board so myopic? I can just see this very same thread on a crossfit board, with the crossfit and triathlon interchanged in Dirtymango's statement, and getting the exact same response. The sports have way more commonalities than they do differences; competitors in conventional sports are laughing at you both for treating exercise as a sport and having no real purpose/goals...and they would be ignorant as well.

I agree that crossfit and triathlon are very similar in the sense that they're a relatively random set of activities put together to form a new entity with the objective being to be either the "strongest" (using that word to make the analogy simple) or the "fastest" for the two respectively. Basically to oversimplify a little they're just the weightlifting and aerobic equivalents of each other.

People on here are just pissed that all the hot chicks do crossfit and date CF guys.

My post is the exact opposite of being myopic... Possibly if you yourself were not so shortsighted you could see I was in no way defending either one.

Professional CrossFitters do not do CrossFit for training. They cant. CrossFit is not training, it is cross fitness, the exact opposite of training. They train just like any other professional lifter does, like we do, like everyone does: repetition in what you want to improve in.


Also, 6:30 per mile for two miles is nothing special. I can, and have, done that rate for that distance and I am dead average in my age group for run times and I am far from a professional anything.

Being "fit" as defined by crossfit?
That is circular or self referential.
I think a goal must have some external measure.

Running is a component of football, soccer, etc.
But it was also the very first sport. The first means of rapid transportation. It is a "thing" in and of itself.

Pull ups are good training for gymnastics and rock climbing.
But an end in themselves?

If so then, why not look at each of the components of pull ups?
To train for pull ups we will practice grabbing a bar, moving biceps etc.
Are those "sports."
How about thinking about doing pull-ups?
Could that be a valid "sport?"

Thinking is part of doing pull ups, and pull ups are good training for rock climbing, which is useful in mountaineering, which could take you to Everest.
So, thinking about doing a pull up is the same as climbing Everest?

No- there has to be a limit on how derivative an activity can be and still be considered a "thing " in its own right. I

You should work on the reading comprehension. I was responding in total agreement with you.

So. Running in its form in triathlon is almost completely pointless for most conventional sports. Wasn't it Meb who ran a 14sec 100m on some athlete's sports challenge? At any distance relevant to other sports, virtually any NFL lineman would destroy a world class distance runner. Your argument is completely circular; crossfit and triathlon are one and the same in this regard.

Genuinely apologize, I wasn't picking it up at first but my brain is fried from some crap at work today, former customer of ours decided to play some games with trademarks and been dealing with that. Not an excuse my brain is just set to find negative right now I guess, sorry about that and I'll be leaving the internet for the night before I do it again.

Yea you can't argue with ignorance. The funny part about his last comment is, plyometrics is as big a part of crossfit as Olympic lifts. The fact many of the skill athletes now do crossfit type of workouts because of the combination of strength,power and conditioning the different workouts provide shows he is not very current on stuff. There are also hundreds of WODs that you never touch a weight so his absolute ignorance is very telling. But from his revelation schools and teams can get rid of their state of the art gyms and save a butt load of money.