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I would think that during wartime, leadership would be about showing the troops that you're putting in the hardest effort too, and that means being in Washington, burning the midnight oil. It's not about being at your vacation home, where, even if Bush is working part time (and we really don't know that he is) it could be construed that he is not. What kind of leadership is that?

How many of you would accept that from a boss of yours? You go to work 365 and they get to vacation 20% of the time. I imagine that it wouldn't fly for you.

Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record
With Long Sojourn at Ranch, President on His Way to Surpassing Reagan's Total

By Jim VandeHei and Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, August 3, 2005; A04

WACO, Tex., Aug. 2 -- President Bush is getting the kind of break most Americans can only dream of -- nearly five weeks away from the office, loaded with vacation time.

The president departed Tuesday for his longest stretch yet away from the White House, arriving at his Crawford ranch in the evening for a stretch of clearing brush, visiting with family and friends, and tending to some outside-the-Beltway politics. By historical standards, it is the longest presidential retreat in at least 36 years.

The August getaway is Bush's 49th trip to his cherished ranch since taking office and the 319th day that Bush has spent, entirely or partially, in Crawford -- nearly 20 percent of his presidency to date, according to Mark Knoller, a CBS Radio reporter known for keeping better records of the president's travel than the White House itself. Weekends and holidays at Camp David or at his parents' compound in Kennebunkport, Maine, bump up the proportion of Bush's time away from Washington even further.

Bush's long vacations are more than a curiosity: They play into diametrically opposite arguments about this leadership style. To critics and late-night comics, they symbolize a lackadaisical approach to the world's most important day job, an impression bolstered by Bush's two-hour midday exercise sessions and his disinclination to work nights or weekends. The more vociferous among Bush's foes have noted that he spent a month at the ranch shortly before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, when critics assert he should have been more attentive to warning signs.

To Bush and his advisers, that criticism fundamentally misunderstands his Texas sojourns. Those who think he does not remain in command, aides say, do not understand the modern presidency or Bush's own work habits. At the ranch, White House officials say, Bush continues to receive daily national security briefings, sign documents, hold teleconferences with aides and military commanders, and even meet with foreign leaders. And from the president's point of view, the long Texas stints are the best way to clear his mind and reconnect with everyday America.

"I'm looking forward to getting down there and just kind of settling in," Bush told reporters from Texas newspapers during a roundtable interview at the White House on Monday. "I'll be doing a lot of work. On the other hand, I'll also be kind of making sure my Texas roots run deep."

"Spending time outside of Washington always gives the president a fresh perspective of what's on the minds of the American people," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters Friday. "It's a time, really, for him to shed the coat and tie and meet with folks out in the heartland and hear what's on their minds."

Just as Bush has made these August trips a regular feature of his presidency, so, too, have Democrats made a tradition of needling him about them. This year, opposition politicians are tying his departure from Washington to the CIA leak case that has swept up his top adviser, Karl Rove.

"The White House stonewalling operation is moving to Crawford for the dog days of summer, but they can't hide from the legitimate questions dogging the president and his refusal to keep his promise and fire Karl Rove," said Josh Earnest, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee.

Presidents have often sought refuge from the pressures of Washington and from life in the White House, which Harry S. Truman called the crown jewel of the American prison system. Richard M. Nixon favored Key Biscayne, Fla. Bush's father preferred Maine. Bill Clinton, lacking a home of his own, borrowed a house on Martha's Vineyard, except for two years when political adviser Dick Morris nudged him into going to Jackson, Wyo., before his reelection because it polled better.

Until now, probably no modern president was a more famous vacationer than Ronald Reagan, who loved spending time at his ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif. According to an Associated Press count, Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his eight-year presidency -- a total that Bush will surpass this month in Crawford with 3 1/2 years left in his second term.

"The Oval Office is wherever the president of the United States is," said Kenneth M. Duberstein, who was Reagan's last White House chief of staff. "With the communications being what they are, the president can communicate instantly with whomever he wants anywhere in the world."

Bush will not return to the White House until after Labor Day, but his staff has peppered his schedule with events to dispel any impression that he is not on duty. He will visit at least seven states, mostly with quick day trips, including New Mexico, where he plans to sign energy legislation into law. He gets off to a quick start this week, with a speech Wednesday in nearby Grapevine, Tex., then he plays host to President Alvaro Uribe of Colombia at the ranch Thursday. His schedule is clear Friday through Sunday.

At some point, Bush told reporters Monday, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld will visit for consultations. "I have a busy couple of weeks down there," Bush said.

But he will make time for fun, or at least his idea of it. Bush rarely takes the type of vacation one would consider exotic -- or, to some, even appealing. His notion of relaxation is chopping cedar on his ranch or mountain biking through rough terrain, all in 100-degree-plus temperatures in dusty Texas where crickets are known to roast on the summer pavement. He seems to relish the idea of exposing aides and reporters to the hothouse environment.

"I just checked in with the house -- it's about 100 degrees," he told reporters Monday. "But no matter how hot it gets, I enjoy spending time in Texas."

Baker reported from Washington.
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Yawn....
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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"I would think that during wartime, leadership would be about showing the troops that you're putting in the hardest effort too, and that means being in Washington, burning the midnight oil."

I'm curious as to exactly what you think the President should be burning the midnight oil on. What should he be doing that isn't getting done because he's in TX instead of D.C.? Do you think he should be in the Situation Room in constant strategy meetings? Do you think he should be trying to have ahand in the tactical maneuvers of his troops on the ground?

"t's not about being at your vacation home, where, even if Bush is working part time (and we really don't know that he is) it could be construed that he is not"

Give it a rest. We do, in point of fact, know that he is working.

Not for nothing, but the other President your article mentions is Reagan, who also took a lot of vacation, and whom the military loved.

"How many of you would accept that from a boss of yours? You go to work 365 and they get to vacation 20% of the time. I imagine that it wouldn't fly for you. "

Man, you really don't understand the working relationship between the military and the President.

Slowguy

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I can't imagine that a more hands-on president couldn't accomplish more, for example on Iraq, if he were in Washington, sitting down talking with all the many other decsion makers and figuring out how to make real progress there.

And at the very least, I would imagine that he'd be sending a better message to the troops if he weren't on vacation when they are breaking their balls in 100+ degree heat in Bagdhad. If you're working, I'm working.

I will repeat it again. If a boss did this in a corporate setting (and mine actually did), he/she would piss off all the others in the organization for whom there are a different set of standards. And while we all understand that the powerful do get to follow another set of rules, it doesn't mean that doing so makes you a good leader. It just means that you are taking advantage of your power.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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Did you know all of our leaders, prez, senate and congress are on vacation?

Dont fall for the hype!

And I can think of othere things to bitch about besides the prez being on vacation,,,like shich bike am I going to ride today......

My only beef with GW is that he hasnt invited me to ride with him,,,yet!

Enjoy your vacation Mr President!
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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"If you're working, I'm working."

The military is always working, not just when guys are in Iraq. Nobody expects the President to stop doing anything else just because we are at war. He is not just a military leader. He has many other responsibilities, and he has military professionals to do the round the clock work that needs to be done when we've got soldiers and sailors in harm's way.

"I can't imagine that a more hands-on president couldn't accomplish more, for example on Iraq, if he were in Washington, sitting down talking with all the many other decsion makers and figuring out how to make real progress there."

As I asked before, what is it that you think is not being done as a result of the President being in TX?

Slowguy

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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From what I can tell, his "vacation" is an endless series of meetings, trips and speeches. It doesn't seem any different than when he is in Washington.

What have I missed?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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That Vacationing Bush. We should really bust his ass for treason.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think the guy has probably had to work really hard for anything in his life. He talks about hard work a lot but he seems more like a middle aged class clown to me, doing only as much as he needs to get by. But then when you have as much faith as he does, do you really need to work hard?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [TTTorso] [ In reply to ]
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Could you please explain the definition of "working hard".
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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Then you obviously seemed to have missed his daily bike rides, fishing trips, trips to spas, and trips to fundraisers. And his speeches seem to only be responses to Cindy Sheehan and rising poll pressure. You see what you want, Art, but his leisure time during this "vacation" is pretty well documented.


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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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Don't you know? It's that liberal media bias.......
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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Just to clue you in a bit...no President is ever on vacation or off the clock. His office travels with him wherever he goes.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Here is what it means to me in this particular case:

Endless pursuit of knowledge, working long hours and with many different types of people to achieve goals, working to improve weaknesses, thinking objectively and adjusting to changes

I believe GWB has skated through life with his wealth and help from some savvy people. He is an overachiever only from the standpoint that he seems to have so little going for him that it is friggin amazing he made it to the highest position in the world. He obviously is good at using his resources to get jobs, but does that really make him a hard worker?

Maybe I'm wrong about him, are there any articles detailing his work ethic?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [TTTorso] [ In reply to ]
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As I said....no President is on vacation.

In terms of his work ethic...well...like it or not he's achieved quite a bit at a young age. Graduated from an Ivy league school....run huge corporations...governor of a very large state....owned a major league baseball team...now a two term President.

Like him or not he's accomplished quite a bit.

How's that for work ethic?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Just to clue you in a bit, I never said he was "off the clock", but I'll tell you, I doubt he's doing strategic thinking (if ever) while he's bass fishing.


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As I said....no President is on vacation.

In terms of his work ethic...well...like it or not he's achieved quite a bit at a young age. Graduated from an Ivy league school....run huge corporations...governor of a very large state....owned a major league baseball team...now a two term President.

Like him or not he's accomplished quite a bit.

How's that for work ethic?


This is interesting. Let's deconstruct this, shall we?

Graduated from an Ivy League school - True. Graduated with a C+ (2.35/4.0) and no A's. One can only consider that evidence of a work ethic if one assumes he was in totally over his head.

Run huge corporations - Started Arbusto. Arbusto was failing when merged into Spectrum 7, of which he was made CEO. Spectrum 7 was losing money when it was merged into Harken, of which Bush was made director. Bush then sold his shares one week before the company declared a $23.5 million loss, triggering an SEC investigation. Can't speak to work ethic, just failure.

Governor of large state - True. Also a state where governor has comparatively little power, but did manage to execute quite a few people. Notable state where Kinky Friedman is now running for governor on the platform "How Hard Could It Be?"

Owned major league baseball team - Assembled investor group from father's friends. Invested $606,000 for 2% of the team, of which $500,000 was borrowed. Owning something is not evidence of a work ethic, last I checked, especially when Daddy's buddies are ponying up the other $74.4 million.

Sitting two-term President - Absolutely.

Now what were his "achievements" again?


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"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin
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Graduated from an Ivy League school - True. Graduated with a C+ (2.35/4.0) and no A's. One can only consider that evidence of a work ethic if one assumes he was in totally over his head.

Still has the diploma, doesn't he?

Run huge corporations - Started Arbusto. Arbusto was failing when merged into Spectrum 7, of which he was made CEO. Spectrum 7 was losing money when it was merged into Harken, of which Bush was made director. Bush then sold his shares one week before the company declared a $23.5 million loss, triggering an SEC investigation. Can't speak to work ethic, just failure.

What's your point? Jack Welch wasn't hot all the time. Nor Carla Fioriana (failed misrebly at HP) or even "mogul" Donald Trump...

Governor of large state - True. Also a state where governor has comparatively little power, but did manage to execute quite a few people. Notable state where Kinky Friedman is now running for governor on the platform "How Hard Could It Be?"

Still a Governor...

Owned major league baseball team - Assembled investor group from father's friends. Invested $606,000 for 2% of the team, of which $500,000 was borrowed. Owning something is not evidence of a work ethic, last I checked, especially when Daddy's buddies are ponying up the other $74.4 million.

Still an owner...anyone able to pony up that much dough and/or raise it is quite impressive in anyone's book..

Sitting two-term President - Absolutely.

Cat go your tongue on this one?

Now what were his "achievements" again?

You just listed them.

Now what were his "achievements" again?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Brian, what you listed may be good items for a resume, but they certainly don't prove work ethic.

Getting a diploma with a C+ average from a school your family has long standing ties to doesn't prove work ethic.

Being in charge of several large failed or poorly run business ventures doesn't prove work ethic.

Being elected governor doesn't prove work ethic.

Owning a small part of a baseball team doesn't prove work ethic.

Being elected President when the choices were Al Gore and John Kerry doesn't prove work ethic.

I trust that any President works hard, some probably more or less than others. However, none of what you listed is proof that Pres Bush is a hard worker. Just that he's well connected and electable.

Slowguy

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Spend some time on the campaign trail. It's not easy being "electable".

Spend some time in the corporate world. It's not easy pleasing stock holders.

Spend some time in an ivy league. I doubt C+ grade averages are "coasting"...yeah he was a partier...but professors don't just hand out grades.

Like I said....he's got work ethic. On the job and even in his athletic pursuits. Don't allow political affiliation cloud your viewpoint.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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"Spend some time on the campaign trail. It's not easy being "electable"."

And Pres Bush was just barely electable. If there had been any kind of serious challenger, he'd be on his ranch 100% of the time instead of 20%.

"Spend some time in the corporate world. It's not easy pleasing stock holders."

The hard work that goes into pleasing stockholders is not done by the CEO, and since Pres Bush's companies didn't do so well, I'm not so sure his stockholders were pleased.

"Spend some time in an ivy league. I doubt C+ grade averages are "coasting"...yeah he was a partier...but professors don't just hand out grades."

Well now that last part simply isn't true. Some profs do hand out grades and you are more likely to be the recipient of handed out grades if your name is Bush than if you have my last name. I don't know if he was handed his grades or not, but getting C's is certainly not an indicator of a hard worker unless those C's really indicate the full limit of his potential.

"Like I said....he's got work ethic. On the job and even in his athletic pursuits. Don't allow political affiliation cloud your viewpoint."

Like I said, I'm sure any President works hard. You don't know my political affiliation, so I'm not sure how you think it's affecting my viewpoint which is simply that you haven't proven anything with the evidence you've offered.

Slowguy

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Bush was made director. Bush then sold his shares one week before the company declared a $23.5 million loss, triggering an SEC investigation. Can't speak to work ethic, just failure.


Unfortunately you are incorrect. A criminal who doesn't get caught/arrested is a success, not a failure.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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It looks like we're on the path to mediocrity when legacy acceptances to Yale, C+ grades, and busted companies are proof of a work ethic.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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Hell, I wish he was on vacation 100% of the time. Every decision/action he's taken since being in office is the opposite of what I wanted. The less he actually does, the less harm he does.


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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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As I said...prove to me that any of these listed examples are indicative of a poor work ethic.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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Hey, and I thought the "liberals" were supposed to be the ones who keep lowering the bar so that they can protect people's self-esteem from failure. Guess the shoe is on the other foot.

I'm trying to figure out what this guy has ever shown a marked competence in. Education, no. Business, no. Government, no. Management of a war, hell no. Oh, wait, using the influence of his father to basically pave his entire path in life, yes. From getting into Yale and HBS, to the Texas Air National Guard, to the oil business and government, he is the epitome of lucky sperm. Has there ever been a luckier?

And by the way, its only mediocrity or failure if you're poor. If you're of the rich, then its just varying levels of success.


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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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Looks at though he's accomplished quite a bit. Ivy leaguer, governor, businessman and President. Why are you all jealous of this man?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Looks at though he's accomplished quite a bit. Ivy leaguer, governor, businessman and President. Why are you all jealous of this man?


Huh?

He's either failed at or been incredibly mediocre at every stop you've noted. If this is what you call accomplishment, I can't imagine what you call failure. Armageddon, perhaps.


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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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I guess you don't know what it takes to be successful, do you?
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Brian - "As I said...prove to me that any of these listed examples are indicative of a poor work ethic."

No you didn't. You tried to argue that his "achievements" proved he had a strong work ethic. The replies pointed out that his "achievements" or lack there of didn't prove his work ethic at all. So, we are back to: provide an example of his strong work ethic. So far... nothing.

Jealous? That is the funny f'in thing I've heard in awhile.

I didn't know jealous was a synonym for: despise, embarassed by, ashamed of, laughable, incompetent, liar, or dangerous.


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Achievements just aren't handed to someone. You WORK to achieve them. I don't know how I can put it any simpler for you.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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I forgot how moronic your arguments tend to be.



Nothing you have listed is evidence of a strong work ethic. I never claimed to be able to prove that he has a weak work ethic, and you never asked me to prove that, although that didn't stop you from making up that statement. If you really think things aren't ever handed to people who have no work ethic, you need to step into the real world. Many many people work their asses off and never get anywhere, and many many people never lift a finger and have wealth, responsibility and office handed to them.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know, chief.

Like him or not, it would be a very big coincidence that all of his accomplishments were handed to him. Especially at the hands of voters who decide his fate...not his connections as you seem to insinuate.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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It's wouldn't be coincidence,...it would be cause and effect. It's not coincidental that he went to Yale and so did his dad. He went to Yale because his dad did. It's not coincidence that he had investors for the Rangers that were all his dad's friends. They were his investors because they were his dad's friends.

Look, as I've said, I think any President works hard. I think some work more or less than others. Some rely more on a trusted support staff than others who want to personally manage every detail. Regardless of what you think of the Pres and his style of leadership, nothing you have offered proves that he is a hard worker. Those items can easily be explained as connections, luck, politics, etc. If you want to prove his work ethic, show something he actually worked hard to get.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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I respect the guy for wanting to get out of DC and keep it real.

It's not like he can ever throw the White House keys to Cheney and say "Dick, I'm off to Maui for 2 weeks 2 weeks-hold all my calls."

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Would you really want a C grade president?

The alternatives that this presents are not attractive. On the one hand he has a really strong work ethic and a C was the best he could do OR he does'nt have the work ethic and thats an equally unattractive trait in a president I would have thought.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Spend some time in an ivy league. I doubt C+ grade averages are "coasting"...yeah he was a partier...but professors don't just hand out grades.
As an Ivy League graduate, I can assure you that professors do just hand out grades.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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I was under the distinct impression that Harvard's graduating class averages a 3.6/4.0. The other Ivies are about the same.

I always took this into account when I did recruiting for my investment bank - not to be too impressed with an Ivy 3.6 versus a UVa 3.8.


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In any event, C+ student or not, I don't put alot of value on grades as a gauge of whether someone works hard or not. In addition, I've known many idiots that have graduated with A's from well known schools and many geniuses who've graduated with C's from sub par universities.

Don't be so shallow and limited as to whether or not someone is successful or works hard based on grades. One day, if not now, you'll be working for someone who doesn't meet your definition of a "hard worker".
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Don't get all snippy Brian. You're the one who said the President must be a hard worker because he graduated from an Ivy League school. Now you're saying you know idiots who get better grades than he did. You're the one who brought this example up as proof of his work ethic, not ken. You've gone from, "Professors never give away grades" to, "I don't put alot of value on grades...I've known many idiots who have graduated with A's.."

The point is, graduating from Yale and Harvard, being a minority owner in a poor baseball franchise, running several failed or failing businesses (one of which was under SEC investigation soon after he left), and being popular and connected enough to get elected are simply not evidence of work ethic necessarily.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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As I've alluded to before, you and others have strange definitions of work ethic. Getting into and Ivy, surviving and graduating, going onto getting an MBA from an ivy and becoming a successful businessman and plitician are all accomplishments that don't just come to someone without a strong ethic. In addition, being a father, husband and dedicated christian and athlete furthers my point.

You all seem to think that taking the office to Crawford constitutes a vacation. Let me assure you, being President, father, businessman and Governor doesn't come from sitting around and being a slacker.
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As an Ivy League graduate, I can assure you that professors do just hand out grades.

Ken Lehner


Ken ... you mean I've been doing it all wrong? =)

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Please, there is no correlation between getting an MBA/undergrad degree from an Ivy league and having a strong work ethic. I know plenty of people with Ivy league educations that the hardest part was simpy filling out the application for the school. There are easy classes at every school in the country.

As for being a successful businessman, well, the facts simply do not support that statement as every organization he has been involved with as a private citizen has not done very well.

If winning elections is the sole metric of success for a politician, then yes, he has been successful in that arena. If a legacy is the metric, then that remains an open question.




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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [Brian286] [ In reply to ]
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Give it a rest Brian. You are simply wrong. You can graduate from Harvard and Yale without having a good work ethic. People who graduated from Ivy League schools have told you so in this thread. The President was not a very succesful businessman, but even if he had run successful companies, it doesn't mean he worked hard. And you make me laugh out loud if you think work ethic is a prerequisite to being a politician. In addition, there are plenty of lazy fathers, husbands, athletes, and Christians. None of it furthers your point, no matter how many times to tell yourself that it does.

"You all seem to think that taking the office to Crawford constitutes a vacation. Let me assure you, being President, father, businessman and Governor doesn't come from sitting around and being a slacker."

Let me recommend to you that you read the rest of the thread where I said that the President is not vacationing like normal people vaction, and where I said, several times now, that I think Presidents in general work fairly hard. Then let me recommend that you find some example of something President Bush has worked hard to accomplish, instead of clinging to your broken examples which have all been debunked.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Ken, that was then, this is now. There has been tremendous grade inflation over the years. GPAs are much higher.

Besides, Bush had better grades than Kerry, and we know he is a genius. Also, Gore flunked out of divinity school, and he is a genius too.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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We sure do argue some silly stuff herre in the LR (over in the tri forum too).

Honestly, how would ANY of us know whether Bush has a good work ethic or not? How could we ever prove it one way or another?

Does anyone really believe that Bush being in Texas means he's working less hard than if he were in DC? How hard is it to communicate over that distance with today's technology? How could we detect when he's working hard and when he's not (other than when he's riding with Lance, etc)?

The aspect of politicians I don't get is how commonplace and accepted it is to miss a large number, possibly even the majority, amount of "votes" in congress (or perhaps just state congress). Shouldn't they be there for all the votes? Isn't that what an elected official does?

I dunno.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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"Besides, Bush had better grades than Kerry, and we know he is a genius. Also, Gore flunked out of divinity school, and he is a genius too."

Let's face it, none of these guys were genius students. Probably none of them are actual geniuses either. Ironically, Pres Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, and that actually does mean something academically. Also, both he and Hillary were graduates of Ivy League schools, as well as succesful politicians, parents, and Christians. I guess by Brian's definition, they must have had tremendous work ethic. The only thing missing is a mediocre sports franchise.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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"The Clintons turned vacations into a political exercise; let's poll and see where people think we should go," presidential historian Stephen Hess said.

The politics of presidential vacations was certainly taken to new heights when Dick Morris took a poll for Bill Clinton. The Clinton chief political adviser actually asked Americans where the president should rest up.

It revealed the obvious (as most polls do): that Americans would see another Clinton trip to Martha's Vineyard as too elitist. Instead, the First Family went to Jackson Hole, Wyo., where the president was photographed riding a horse and wearing a blue denim shirt, with a tan cowboy hat fitted squarely on his head, looking more Teddy Roosevelt than Franklin.

"The Clintons were in a unique position that few of our president's have been in. They weren't rich, they had to rely on the goodwill of strangers for their vacations, Hess continued.

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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think anyone has suggested that Clinton didn't have a terrific work ethic, at least in the Whitehouse.

At George Washington University he pissed off his classmates because he would party like crazy (yes, he did inhale, and regularly), not study and still smoke every test. Definite genius, no question.
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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [ajfranke] [ In reply to ]
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For all of his failings, Clinton was admirable for not only his work ethic and intelligence, but for the fact he came from very modest beginnings to elevate himself. That's a bit more of an achievement than starting out on third base, and walking backwards to home plate.

And for what it's worth, I always enjoyed the story of how he was simultaneously debating Mideast peace with Yitzhak Rabin at 1 am, while eating a slice of pizza and being serviced by Monica. What a guy.


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Re: Bush on Vacation 20% of the time [trio_jeepy] [ In reply to ]
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I've noticed in my office there is a difference between looking busy and getting something done. ;-)

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