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Better crack pipe than silcas?
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I purchased silcas disc wheel adapter (crack pipe) from wheelbuilder when I bought my disc wheel cover. It works TERRIBLY. It will not bite down onto any presta valve I try it on (I have tried multiple tubes). The only way I can effectively use it is to have my wife hold pressure down on the device while I pump. While that works.... I may run into dilemmas if I am alone and want to inflate or on race day mornings.

Are there tips to make it work better? If not, can anyone recommend a better tool? I would love to be able to just fill up without problems and ride!
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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May not apply to your situation but on my Hed Trispokes I screw a Schrader adapter over the presta valve and then attach it right to the pump.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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Apparently you really need to push it far onto the stem:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...tring=click;#5053705
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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I have used Lezyne without any issues. I have a Lezyne pump and the metal 90 degree "speed chuck" that comes separately.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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you really have to push the pipe onto the valve .... dont worry u cant overdo it
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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This one: http://fairwheelbikes.com/...a84f26d1df62e1be99d1

Never had an issue with it until I lost the red cap and the rubber o-ring in my way to transition. If you buy one make sure you secure it with tape or something.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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I just bought one of their new gaskets and it's awesome. It goes on easily, creates a tight seal, and most importantly, it now allows me to pump up my disc without having to hold it in place.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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Here is the best pump head you can buy



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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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Silca has a new improved crack pipe: http://silca.cc/...isc-wheel-mini-chuck Supposed to lock on to the valve so you can use both hands on pump - Buddy of mine just ordered one

Most of us learn to hold the old aluminum one on with one hand and pump with the other, one of those useless skills that comes with first world problems! ;)

Good luck


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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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UMD,
The newest generation SILCA adapter looks like this: I assume you have an older silver aluminum version?


I purchased the SILCA brand a few months ago and this was the first product we re-engineered and manufactured, I am sure it won't let you down. I am yet to find a valve stem that it won't hold until at least 120psi. I know a lot of Slowtwitchers have upgraded and the response has been overwhelmingly positive!
You can have your local shop order them through us, our distributor QBP, or directly from us on our website here: http://silca.cc/...isc-wheel-mini-chuck

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [rockdude] [ In reply to ]
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Awesome! Looks to be $70 shipped, for a pump head. Welcome to the world of triathlon!
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [rockdude] [ In reply to ]
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Those are very nice, but actually THIS: is the finest pump head you can buy! Launching/Shipping June 10


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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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joshatsilca wrote:
Those are very nice, but actually THIS: is the finest pump head you can buy! Launching/Shipping June 10

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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Josh, where would this head be used instead of this?


Please let me know if I am correct that I need the Locking Schraeder Chuck attached to my pump in order to use these products.

/kj

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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I am still having problems trying to get it onto the short zipp extender on my super9. cant get it to click/pop on even once, let alone twice to do no hands
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [UMDRunner] [ In reply to ]
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I just purchased one and thought that as well until I realized I hadn't pushed it down hard enough. Now I love it. Except for the fact that it looks like a newer/better version is about to launch which Josh never mentioned prior to my purchase. Keeping secrets to himself again.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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kjmc the 17-4 classic Presta chuck in your picture will not work in disc wheels. The image I posted is of a soon to be released product, which is a locking chuck for presta valves that will fit in disc wheels. I am actually writing the copy and preparing to put the info on our website over the next few days on this product..but thought the ST crowd should get a first peek. The picture I posted is of the SILCA 'HIRO' chuck, inspired by the classic Japanese design, but modernized in stainless steel and greatly improved upon by using a two-stage 252 gasket for improved sealing as well as easy maintenance/replacement over the long term. The Hiro chuck will hold 400psi on any presta valve stem if you ask it to, and works in all discs, even older Zipp and Corima discs with very small openings. We've got 20 of these across Europe with various pro mechanics and the feedback has been 'You'll never use anything else' so we hope our customers feel the same!

All of our chucks have male Schrader threads on the pump side, so require a Schrader chuck or adapter on your pump hose, it can be our locking Schrader, a thread on Schrader as on older SILCA pumps or any other proper Schrader attachment on any pump.

Best
Josh

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Jeff,
Post a photo if you can and we can try to trouble shoot it..I think you are saying that there is not enough valve stem exposed to get the adapter on, but want to be sure.
The gasket needs at least 7mm of the larger diameter portion of the stem plus the valve core exposed to fully seat...but I'd like to see a picture to diagnose for sure...this is all stuff we are working into the 'user guide'

Forsey, thanks for buying an adapter and I can assure you that the coming locking chuck is a totally different beast.. Personally I think the best solution is to own both ;-)
Best
Josh

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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So, what are the pro and cons on which chuck to buy that will work on a disc wheel!!! It kills me wife and I trying to get it filled.
Your first update or the new one coming June 10th?

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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So the standard disc adapter cost $32 and will get you to 120psi on any valve stem..over 150 on most. It's small and light and easy to use, it just has to be fully engaged to work. Primarily it is designed to adapt your pump for the disc when needed.

The coming chuck is a professional level tool that we've refined over the last 6 months with pro-tour mechanics and world-championship track mechanics. It's solid stainless, (vs aluminum on the adapter) and uses a lever action to compress the gasket after installation. It will hold over 400psi on any stem, is completely adjustable to compensate for both gasket wear and stem size, is easily field rebuildable, and can literally be run over by a team car without issue (inadvertently tested..) Gasket is insensitive to the rapid temperature shifts of using compressed speciality gases or other chemicals, and helps in a situation where say you have to rapidly fill 8 team pursuit tires with a specialty gas within a few minutes as close as possible to a start time.. lots of intricate details had to be sorted out. It has 12 subcomponents compared to 4 in the disc adapter..with all of that, the locking chuck will cost $110 so it's really a different beast from the adapter, but it would most certainly solve your disc inflation problem!

One of our pro mechanics at the Giro sent this to me "4 weeks now and big smile every time I use Hiro. Great feel and no air loss at any pressure. we need 3 more as quickly as you can because (other mechanic) wants his own and we have none on the truck in Spain. I am also using it full time not only on disk wheel and will let you know how the gasket is wearing...'

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Sure wish my clincher disc had that much space to put a crack pipe!!!!!!
I assume that is a tubular where you can find shorter stems.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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When I buy something, I would rather save up and buy the best.

Now, still have a concern about it fitting on my Zipp clincher since even though I cut some of the wheel to make the opening bigger, I can only get the crack pipe in by being the stem.

So the picture posted of the wide opening on the disc I believe is a tubular and can get gotten with short valve stems.

But this was always the issue I had with the Zipp disc clincher. I could never find tube with shorter valve stems to get the crack pipe in easily. Are there such tubes? I have to assume
this was a major complaint coming back to Zipp.

So if one buys the new $110 part and it does not fit, can it be returned?

Thanks

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Jeff,
I get it now..you need either a removable valve core type extension so that you have the valve core threads exposed, or you can use the new Hiro locking chuck..it will grab an extender like this, but the disc adapter really only works on presta valves with cores and threads. Your other option would be a valve extender with valve core threads at the top, we will be launching such a beast in a few weeks. Third option would be a tube with a longer stem.

H20, it will definitely work, no doubt. But yes, if you aren't happy, it can be returned.
Josh

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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super9 clincher latex tube
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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so longer valve stem latex tube, not 32mm. I don't use removable cores
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, longer valve stem latex tube, or an extender with the presta threads at the top will work here. We are soon to launch an extender like that, I believe Lezyne offers them as well as Topeak and I'm sure there are others, though I'm not positive they come short enough.. I'll get with Zipp and measure this all out and see what we can come up with. Thanks for pointing this out as an issue, I had forgotten that short valve stems need an extender on the super9!
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Tom A. wrote:

I love bike component/tool jewelry :-)

Ditto. This stuff is fun!

These make ideal gifts too, for the triathlete who has (almost) everything. I'd much rather get one of these for Christmas than some ugly sweater.

Keep 'em coming Josh.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [AG Tri Newbie] [ In reply to ]
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AG Tri Newbie wrote:
I have used Lezyne without any issues. I have a Lezyne pump and the metal 90 degree "speed chuck" that comes separately.

Mine has been popping off at 95 psi.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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joshatsilca wrote:
So the standard disc adapter cost $32 and will get you to 120psi on any valve stem..over 150 on most. It's small and light and easy to use, it just has to be fully engaged to work. Primarily it is designed to adapt your pump for the disc when needed.

The coming chuck is a professional level tool that we've refined over the last 6 months with pro-tour mechanics and world-championship track mechanics. It's solid stainless, (vs aluminum on the adapter) and uses a lever action to compress the gasket after installation. It will hold over 400psi on any stem, is completely adjustable to compensate for both gasket wear and stem size, is easily field rebuildable, and can literally be run over by a team car without issue (inadvertently tested..) Gasket is insensitive to the rapid temperature shifts of using compressed speciality gases or other chemicals, and helps in a situation where say you have to rapidly fill 8 team pursuit tires with a specialty gas within a few minutes as close as possible to a start time.. lots of intricate details had to be sorted out. It has 12 subcomponents compared to 4 in the disc adapter..with all of that, the locking chuck will cost $110 so it's really a different beast from the adapter, but it would most certainly solve your disc inflation problem!

One of our pro mechanics at the Giro sent this to me "4 weeks now and big smile every time I use Hiro. Great feel and no air loss at any pressure. we need 3 more as quickly as you can because (other mechanic) wants his own and we have none on the truck in Spain. I am also using it full time not only on disk wheel and will let you know how the gasket is wearing...'

Please tell me you aren't talking about tanks of Helium again :-/

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Helium is for sissys. If you have any balls, you use hydrogen at 300psi! More is more. MORE!!

/kj

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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The new SILCA adapter looks great and hopefully will function just as great. Just ordered one. Thanks.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [kjmcawesome] [ In reply to ]
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I never said Helium! I said speciality gas...in most cases, they aren't even telling me what they're using..track racing at that level has gotten very, very crazy, and darn secretive.
As far as I know, Helium filled tires are so early 2000's...we used Argon at Roubaix for the low rate of escape..but honestly, I'm not positive what they are using. I just know it's not air, and it comes in very cold.
J

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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Just because you use tubes with a removable core does not mean you will get hands free operation. I have a Zipp 808 with a disc cover. Running latex tubes with removable cores at the end of a zipp extender. Cannot for the life of me get it to hold past 60-70 psi; push it all the way on and "spin" it to get it to lock and still no dice. Back to the two person job... Wish I had stuck with the old version instead of spending the money on the new one.

Ryan
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [ryans] [ In reply to ]
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ryans - email me pictures of your setup sales@silca.cc and let's try to trouble shoot it. Like I've said before, we are yet to find an situation where we can't get at least 120psi without hands when the adapter is fully installed, and if you are tightening the cap, you should be able to do more like 2x that.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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just shot you a picture through email.

Ryan
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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joshatsilca wrote:
Those are very nice, but actually THIS: is the finest pump head you can buy! Launching/Shipping June 10

I do not see this listed on your website. Can it be purchased now?

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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joshatsilca wrote:
Jeff,

H20, it will definitely work, no doubt. But yes, if you aren't happy, it can be returned.
Josh

it looks very similar (externally/physically) to the hirame--if not the same there is definitely a tip of the hat.

i found that the hirame cannot be used on a super 9 without modification to the opening. based on the picture which appears to show similar dimensions, it would pleasantly surprise me if the pump head you are showing can be used effectively on a zipp disc. if so, i am interested. i don't believe it works at all on a lightweight disc due to the inability to angle the valve stem and the one-sided cut-out.

the issue with the hirame is the lever throw and, to a lesser degree, the height.

the hirame works amazingly well on an H3, which also has a one-sided cut-out but allows the valve stem to be angled a bit more.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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That is what I am concerned about which is why I asked could I return it. I have made my opening in my Zipp larger, but still not sure how it will fit. Now if I could just find tubes which shorter stems,
that would help a lot!

I also am not seeing how the lock fits but without trying who knows. My wife hates having to help me pump the disc up so if I can find something that works, boy will she be happy.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
That is what I am concerned about which is why I asked could I return it. I have made my opening in my Zipp larger, but still not sure how it will fit. Now if I could just find tubes which shorter stems,
that would help a lot!

I also am not seeing how the lock fits but without trying who knows. My wife hates having to help me pump the disc up so if I can find something that works, boy will she be happy.

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If it is designed like the Hirame, you place the head over the valve and then open (make wider) the lever. This mechanically locks the head onto the valve stem. The problems can be the radius of the head itself (this is the issue on the lightweight disc) and the amount of lever travel required to get the head to lock (this is why I had to mod the super 9).
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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How did you mod your super 9?

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
How did you mod your super 9?

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just take a dremel to it and enlarge the opening. i made it more a bit wider and taller at the top, but i can still put a piece of tape over it for racing. takes a minute (literally) to do. i'll snap a photo if i have a chance.

oddly, i've been thinking of selling that one as i tend to ride another disc more.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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I did take a dremel to my Zipp disc to make a taller opening. But the only way I can get my crack pipe to work it bent the valve stem.

Just need a super short tube valve stem.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
I did take a dremel to my Zipp disc to make a taller opening. But the only way I can get my crack pipe to work it bent the valve stem.

Just need a super short tube valve stem.

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that's sort of strange. crack pipes work easily on every tire i've used on my super 9. maybe just make it a bit taller?

shouldn't be that hard to use a normal crack pipe on it. as said earlier in the thread, a normal one should stay on to normal pressures, or one could just hole it on with one hand while pumping with another. 2 people isn't really necessary.

if all else fails, why not just hole it on with a velcro strap while pumping?

the hirame head is very nice.
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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Josh,
Still looking for one of these on your site...

Those are very nice, but actually THIS: is the finest pump head you can buy! Launching/Shipping June 10

Josh
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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [tetonrider] [ In reply to ]
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I went up as high as it looked smart to do. I need to see what the shortest stem is I can get on a tube since this is why the issue is.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [tdstegner] [ In reply to ]
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tdstegner wrote:
Josh,
Still looking for one of these on your site...

Those are very nice, but actually THIS: is the finest pump head you can buy! Launching/Shipping June 10

Josh
http://www.SILCA.cc
Inflation That (Actually!) Works


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I keep looking also.

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [joshatsilca] [ In reply to ]
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Is the new crack pipe available yet? I don't see it on your site.

Thanks,

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Re: Better crack pipe than silcas? [Forsey] [ In reply to ]
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Yep same here - the head needs to be pushed all the way in. I mean real hard.

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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