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Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!!
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Looks like she's wearing the new Body Paint San Remo Tri Suit SS....

this is my second post pointing out the new skin suits in use at Kona. Rinny wearing one makes me think TO will wear one along with anyone sponsored by Castelli. This seems like the growing trend. Luke McKenzie is wearing one, Heather Wurtele is wearing one and that's just who I know of already.

Gonna be A LOT of sleeves on Saturday and, IMO, I freaking love it! I've never liked tanks. Now we just need some hot colors!
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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I've picked up a Castelli Stealth T1 top, rode it this morning, and I'm planning to roll it on race day. Feels cool against the shoulders when doused with water and shouldn't be too hard to get on in T1 and off in T2.

Fairly sure TO and Rinny are just running the Stealth T1 top, not a full skinsuit.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [mattharrop] [ In reply to ]
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mattharrop wrote:
I've picked up a Castelli Stealth T1 top, rode it this morning, and I'm planning to roll it on race day. Feels cool against the shoulders when doused with water and shouldn't be too hard to get on in T1 and off in T2.

Fairly sure TO and Rinny are just running the Stealth T1 top, not a full skinsuit.

You're right. After posting I realized my mistake. They aren't wearing the full T1 though; theirs stops at the elbow (which is where my confusion stemmed).. unless Castelli decided to cut it shorter after the reveal at Eurobike... I did see they were handing them out to racers in Kona (was yours free?)
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Almost looks like a full suit. Regardless, in my uneducated opinion that bike fit doesn't look very fast.


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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Mine stops at the elbow as well, and yes it was free.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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oceanlife wrote:
Almost looks like a full suit. Regardless, in my uneducated opinion that bike fit doesn't look very fast.

She's always looked upright to me. She's on 700c wheels on the new IA, so maybe that is affecting her position? But I thought she looked like that on the DA w/ 650c, too. Maybe it's something to do w/ being a runner first? Or super short? Or so small she's pretty aero no matter what?

-Stephen in Arkansas
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [mattharrop] [ In reply to ]
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we can't all get things free (lucky bastard) but some can buy cheaper ;)
http://www.amazon.com/adidas-Mens-Techfit-Powerweb-Short-Sleeve/dp/B003R4ZMEA


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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Looks hot, like in sweating hot.

Wonder how it will effect her running motion. Looks uncomfortable to me
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [razorbacksteve] [ In reply to ]
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razorbacksteve wrote:
She's always looked upright to me. She's on 700c wheels on the new IA, so maybe that is affecting her position? But I thought she looked like that on the DA w/ 650c, too. Maybe it's something to do w/ being a runner first? Or super short? Or so small she's pretty aero no matter what?

She looked a little better on the DA. Not that it matters, since it's not preventing her from winning.


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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [The Phoenix] [ In reply to ]
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The Phoenix wrote:
Looks hot, like in sweating hot.

Wonder how it will effect her running motion. Looks uncomfortable to me

They say to put it on in T1, take it off in T2 and wear your "suit" under it on the bike. Soooo, not sure what she's doing but that's what they advertise.

Personally, I'm going to buy a $45 Nike/Adidas/Under Armour compression long sleeve top and just keep dumping water on my shirt. It's super cold and much comfier than any tri top (on the bike or run)
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting that she has gone to the catlike helmets from the LG.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Oh really damn. Is there some time savings with the skin suit @ 112 miles on bike compared to time to put it on and take it off?

thx
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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chaparral wrote:
Interesting that she has gone to the catlike helmets from the LG.
I'm guessing that's just a matter of sponsorship dollars.

-Stephen in Arkansas
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [The Phoenix] [ In reply to ]
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The Phoenix wrote:
Oh really damn. Is there some time savings with the skin suit @ 112 miles on bike compared to time to put it on and take it off?

thx

There is nothing advertised as to what power savings it gives but in the past, full skin suits have shown to save 5 watts. With that said, Castelli has said that the elbow length version is 2/3rds as fast as the full sleeve version (but again, no data on the full sleeve version)
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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5 watts is 5 watts especially at the pointy end of the spectrum.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
The Phoenix wrote:
Oh really damn. Is there some time savings with the skin suit @ 112 miles on bike compared to time to put it on and take it off?

thx


There is nothing advertised as to what power savings it gives but in the past, full skin suits have shown to save 5 watts. With that said, Castelli has said that the elbow length version is 2/3rds as fast as the full sleeve version (but again, no data on the full sleeve version)

Read through this thread:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

And then everyone run out and buy a PI Octane or Castelli Stealth top.

The guys at ERO are really awesome about sharing some very cool insights.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [The Phoenix] [ In reply to ]
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zactly

a watt is a watt is a watt
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
radelj44 wrote:
The Phoenix wrote:
Oh really damn. Is there some time savings with the skin suit @ 112 miles on bike compared to time to put it on and take it off?

thx


There is nothing advertised as to what power savings it gives but in the past, full skin suits have shown to save 5 watts. With that said, Castelli has said that the elbow length version is 2/3rds as fast as the full sleeve version (but again, no data on the full sleeve version)


Read through this thread:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

And then everyone run out and buy a PI Octane or Castelli Stealth top.

The guys at ERO are really awesome about sharing some very cool insights.

I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not sure you can make that assumption. Since different materials tend to test so much better than others. I guess we can assume it would be faster than skin - "skin is slow". But without tunnel and/or the type of testing ERO does, its hard to tell.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
I'm not sure you can make that assumption. Since different materials tend to test so much better than others. I guess we can assume it would be faster than skin - "skin is slow". But without tunnel and/or the type of testing ERO does, its hard to tell.

Completely agree with you... however; there is 0, and I mean ZERO, chance that I'm going to go out and drop $300 on the PI Octane or $200+ on the Castelli top. However, I will drop $50 on a tight non tri specific top. With that fact, I'd like to buy the closest option which it sounds comes down to texture. Knowing what he means by that, I could figure it out myself.

Honestly, it probably doesn't matter. I'm going to get the longest "short" sleeve version (closest to elbow) available and what's most comfortable... that'll make me the "fastest"
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:

I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?

The Pearl suit has almost a "waffle" texture to it.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Power13 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:


I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?


The Pearl suit has almost a "waffle" texture to it.

I noticed (as does my sleeveless Squadra elite top... which is what they put on their skinsuit)... but other skinsuits do not have that.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [razorbacksteve] [ In reply to ]
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razorbacksteve wrote:
oceanlife wrote:
Almost looks like a full suit. Regardless, in my uneducated opinion that bike fit doesn't look very fast.


She's always looked upright to me. She's on 700c wheels on the new IA, so maybe that is affecting her position? But I thought she looked like that on the DA w/ 650c, too. Maybe it's something to do w/ being a runner first? Or super short? Or so small she's pretty aero no matter what?

The position has nothing to do with the 700c wheels. The front end of her IA could be ~7cm lower than the set up in the photo.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.

So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.

So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...

Read the posted thread above.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.


So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...

It certainly won't be done quickly.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Bryancd wrote:
oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.


So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...


It certainly won't be done quickly.

But its not going to take minutes. And it purportedly will save quite a few minutes. Still a net gain. Or loss? A net better result!

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:

But its not going to take minutes. And it purportedly will save quite a few minutes. Still a net gain. Or loss? A net better result!

I'd probably rip the suit trying the put it on. Wet skin and compression clothing can be a disaster.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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Possibly. Though maybe these suits are designed with that in mind. Allowing easier on/off while wet. I have no idea though as I've not tried either.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
Power13 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:


I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?


The Pearl suit has almost a "waffle" texture to it.


I noticed (as does my sleeveless Squadra elite top... which is what they put on their skinsuit)... but other skinsuits do not have that.

My LG Course TT skinsuit has a very fine ribbed texture (looks like corduroy but scaled down) on the sleeves that's different from the smoother fabric of the rest of the suit.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [asad137] [ In reply to ]
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asad137 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:
Power13 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:


I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?


The Pearl suit has almost a "waffle" texture to it.


I noticed (as does my sleeveless Squadra elite top... which is what they put on their skinsuit)... but other skinsuits do not have that.


My LG Course TT skinsuit has a very fine ribbed texture (looks like corduroy but scaled down) on the sleeves that's different from the smoother fabric of the rest of the suit.


My next question for Castelli is, "why are we going to pay more money for the T1 tri top instead of just buying the Aero Race 5.0 jersey?"

Think about it, based on their ads, there isn't a big/if any difference between the T1 and a race aero jersey and the race aero jersey is easier to put on in T1, take off in T2. If you were to wear the T1 top for the run, then that's a different question but they tell you not to.

So, why? Oh yeah, easy marketing for more money.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Possibly. Though maybe these suits are designed with that in mind. Allowing easier on/off while wet. I have no idea though as I've not tried either.

Considering their core market, I would be surprised if they made design compromises to accommodate someone trying to put one on after a swim.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Bryancd] [ In reply to ]
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Their core market? These are triathlon specific tops/suits. Seems pretty core to me.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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wsrobert wrote:
Their core market? These are triathlon specific tops/suits. Seems pretty core to me.


Like the other poster, I assume they are simply rebranding a cycling top to the tri market as opposed to a purposefully designed top for triathlon. Heather Wurtele is wearing something like this as well.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.

So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...

This is the important question. Yes, the sleeved suits are dramatically faster, but if you're giving up too much time in both T1 and T2, do you give up any advantage you might have gained?

I would say if it only takes 60 seconds on each end, which is a lot of time, then there is no question - you wear the suit. Actually, you could give up much more time than that before you "break even" overall, but you don't want to be messing with these suits while your opponents ride up the road. After all, if all you're doing is playing catch-up from transition, what good is that?

Here's the rub. The elites think of these new tops as a means of using less energy to go the same speed. Economy of effort. They're not thinking of breaking away necessarily; they simply want to use less energy to get to the run.

Two other advantages they provide: 1. They're actually cooler than sleeveless and 2. they provide uv protection so no time wasted putting on sunscreen.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Assuming this is a one piece, can it just be rolled down to the waist and worn under a swim skin, then be pulled up once the athlete is on dry land?

If it's not a one-piece, I agree that getting it onto a wet body would be a bit tedious.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Wind tunnel tests indicate The Castelli T1 Stealth Top would theoretically save you over 6 minutes in an Ironman bike leg. Real world educated guess puts the time savings closer to 3 minutes.
This is a scan of the promo card that went out with the Stealth Tops being handed out at Kona this week.


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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.

So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...
Well according to Superdave she has 12 minutes coming to her from the new bike so she can afford to puts around a little in T1. Note I haven't read the posted thread yet.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [JohnBolesky3] [ In reply to ]
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Depends on the suit, how it fits, material used, etc. I would say more than 3 but less than 6. That's one hell of a deal considering the price.

I don't know what Rinny is using. Amongst the favorites, we helped with Crowie, Leanda, Luke, and Rachael Joyce. The last two are also fit clients. There are several other elites and age-groupers racing we worked with on both fit and aero testing that will likely use long sleeves. From the above list, I'm not sure either Crowie or Rachael will wear sleeves. It's all about what they're comfortable with on race day. I suspect a few tops will be left in transition if, for instance, an athlete has a worse than expected swim time. They won't want to give up extra time.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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It's a top, not a one-piece. It's also specifically designed to be put on after the swim and taken off before the run. I got one at Kona, too. It's smooth material in the front and waffled aero fabric on the back and underarms. It's very thin. Much thinner and more breathable than the Castelli aero race bike jersey. It doesn't have pockets. The fabric is also not very compressive. It's much easier to put on than my aero race jersey. I assume the must have tested a full-zip version, but it seems that would be the fastest possible way to get this on and off quickly.

I think it's a pretty trick piece of clothing. Only time will tell if this type of top catches on or not. It seems to be extremely well-designed and high quality, as you'd expect from Castelli.
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JohnBolesky3 wrote:
Wind tunnel tests indicate The Castelli T1 Stealth Top would theoretically save you over 6 minutes in an Ironman bike leg. Real world educated guess puts the time savings closer to 3 minutes.

Good Guess

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [craigj532] [ In reply to ]
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I got one here too and agree with everything craig said. Super high quality but i dont think real functional for a non-wetsuit, ironman length race. Incredibly tight and as i see it, nearly impossible to get on a wet body. Also...with no rear pockets, where the hell am i supposed to store my bag of 5 PB&J sandwiches?

Now if someone were paying me to race, yep, best tri jersey out there. You'd all be foolish not to go right out and buy one!
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
we can't all get things free (lucky bastard) but some can buy cheaper ;)
http://www.amazon.com/adidas-Mens-Techfit-Powerweb-Short-Sleeve/dp/B003R4ZMEA


Really? Let's see... they're both white. They both have 3/4 sleeves. Similarity ends there.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
asad137 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:
Power13 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:


I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?


The Pearl suit has almost a "waffle" texture to it.


I noticed (as does my sleeveless Squadra elite top... which is what they put on their skinsuit)... but other skinsuits do not have that.


My LG Course TT skinsuit has a very fine ribbed texture (looks like corduroy but scaled down) on the sleeves that's different from the smoother fabric of the rest of the suit.


My next question for Castelli is, "why are we going to pay more money for the T1 tri top instead of just buying the Aero Race 5.0 jersey?"

Think about it, based on their ads, there isn't a big/if any difference between the T1 and a race aero jersey and the race aero jersey is easier to put on in T1, take off in T2. If you were to wear the T1 top for the run, then that's a different question but they tell you not to.

So, why? Oh yeah, easy marketing for more money.

The T1 Stealth was designed from the ground up for the bike leg of triathlon. Its fabrics are easier to get into after the swim, it's more aero on a tri bike as opposed to a road position, sun protection right down to the elbows, fabrics designed to keep you cool at consistent hard effort as opposed to the variations in road racing.

You could run in the T1 Stealth if you really want to, but it was designed for no compromise aerodynamics on the bike, with no consideration whatsoever to chafing on the run. Try it on some long training runs before you run in it on race day. I think you'll have more cooling with your shoulders and arms exposed.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [SuperDave] [ In reply to ]
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Looking back over the article where she was set up by Matt Steimetz here:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...elt_IA_fit_3922.html

I am curious as to where those 7cm come from. It looks possible, just not clear exactly what changes from the photos provided. Can you clarify?
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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"Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?"

Jackmott does that well - "say things". He will often say things that contradict other things he just said, and most of the things he says are his opinions, which of course he has every right to say. He is helpful for answering questions, for sure, but remember, just because someone answers all the questions doesnt necessarily make those answers correct.
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I really like the idea of these, but possible for cooler races? I generally get cold on the bike in a tri suit unless its 70+ degrees.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [UKathlete] [ In reply to ]
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Any hot news (maybe from someone who's at Kona-Expo these days) when the Castelli Stealth Top will be available and if they are also planning to offer a shortsleeve version which some pros were wearing during training (and maybe race in this saturday).
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Full Skin Suits in Kona? Like this? From IMH '93.


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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [tucktri] [ In reply to ]
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tucktri wrote:
oceanlife wrote:
Bryancd wrote:
I assume she is planning on putting this n after the swim as it is not swim legal in Kona.


So would the added time in transition burn up the time saved by wearing it? Or will that not matter if every pro shows up with a kin suit...

Well according to Superdave she has 12 minutes coming to her from the new bike so she can afford to puts around a little in T1. Note I haven't read the posted thread yet.

so 12 minutes on the bike + 6 minutes with the suit... ufff she is going to win that race ez!

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry if I've missed this elsewhere, but when and where are these going to be available for the general public?



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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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radelj44 wrote:
I wish there was a better definition to what's "textured". Jackmott said a full sleeve very tight Under Armour compression top is a great Skinsuit in a pinch... is that textured?

I think the idea is that those tight compression tops at least will fit tightly with no wrinkles and no air-catching pockets on the back (like a regular road jersey), giving the zero-th order benefit of a skinsuit. Textured fabrics on a real skinsuit would be an improvement on that baseline.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [The Phoenix] [ In reply to ]
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I would also think that the skin suit over tri suit might also be hotter which could end up costing you time on the run.
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radelj44 wrote:
we can't all get things free (lucky bastard) but some can buy cheaper ;)
http://www.amazon.com/adidas-Mens-Techfit-Powerweb-Short-Sleeve/dp/B003R4ZMEA


Really? Let's see... they're both white. They both have 3/4 sleeves. Similarity ends there.

You are a very naive person. To think you can't go find the same fabric elsewhere constructed in a cheaper way is the height of stupidity. Castelli, adidas, nike, etc... They all buy their fabric from the same warehouses and the bigger you buy in bulk, the cheaper it is... So a major brand would have the same thing but cheaper and stitched differently. I'm not saying this adidas top is the same fabric but I sure as shit am not dumb enough to think that Castelli has the market cornered on a fabric that has been out for decades.

Maybe next time you won't write such a douchebag comment.
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Hi radelj44,

I was at the wind tunnel when Castelli was testing clothing once. I know other garments might look similar, but there can big drag differences based on a lot of small details.

I'd give Castelli the benefit of the doubt on this one - they've definitely done the research to know.

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radelj44 wrote:
Smitty1 wrote:
radelj44 wrote:
we can't all get things free (lucky bastard) but some can buy cheaper ;)
http://www.amazon.com/adidas-Mens-Techfit-Powerweb-Short-Sleeve/dp/B003R4ZMEA



Really? Let's see... they're both white. They both have 3/4 sleeves. Similarity ends there.


You are a very naive person. To think you can't go find the same fabric elsewhere constructed in a cheaper way is the height of stupidity. Castelli, adidas, nike, etc... They all buy their fabric from the same warehouses and the bigger you buy in bulk, the cheaper it is... So a major brand would have the same thing but cheaper and stitched differently. I'm not saying this adidas top is the same fabric but I sure as shit am not dumb enough to think that Castelli has the market cornered on a fabric that has been out for decades.

Maybe next time you won't write such a douchebag comment.

I sense you might regret this.

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Hi radelj44,

I was at the wind tunnel when Castelli was testing clothing once. I know other garments might look similar, but there can big drag differences based on a lot of small details.

I'd give Castelli the benefit of the doubt on this one - they've definitely done the research to know.

Cheers,


And we all know wind tunnel data coincides directly with real life

Look, I never said Castelli didn't spend time finding the "best" material and constructing it in a certain way... if you read my comment above, I directly said another brands garment would be stitched differently. What I am saying and will continue to say is that Castelli doesn't have a patent on this material and you can find it elsewhere... FOR CHEAPER!! If you want to break it down and say, "well, in a wind tunnel the $300 Castelli top is 3 watts faster than the same fabric on a $50 shirt"; sure, go ahead.

Look at someone like Tom Gerlach (sp?)... he made a homemade disc wheel and used it for years. It may have been a couple watts slower than a wheelbuilder cover but his was what? CHEAPER!! And still very effective!
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And now he has a zipp disc.......
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And we all know wind tunnel data coincides directly with real life

Look, I never said Castelli didn't spend time finding the "best" material and constructing it in a certain way... if you read my comment above, I directly said another brands garment would be stitched differently. What I am saying and will continue to say is that Castelli doesn't have a patent on this material and you can find it elsewhere... FOR CHEAPER!! If you want to break it down and say, "well, in a wind tunnel the $300 Castelli top is 3 watts faster than the same fabric on a $50 shirt"; sure, go ahead.

Look at someone like Tom Gerlach (sp?)... he made a homemade disc wheel and used it for years. It may have been a couple watts slower than a wheelbuilder cover but his was what? CHEAPER!! And still very effective!

Why the pink font?

We could flip the naivety to you. Since you have never been to a tunnel nor tested with the guys at ERO - at least not with the castelli suit and your under armour gear. Yet you speak so confidently that these "$50 shirts" can/will/do perform as well as a top created for the specific purpose you intend to use it for. I will assume you know who Damon is which makes your continued barrage of your own claims seem even crazier.

Have you held the castelli top and your prized $50 under armour top in each hand? Do you think its as simple as how fabrics are stitched together? I suppose you also believe that all carbon bikes are the same since they all use carbon?

Feel free to have your opinions on what might be best for you (Since spending $200 to gain a few seconds seems to be too much for you but you will spend $50. To gain even less seconds. Its all ridiculous honestly.). This place is full of opinions. But for you to go on some unwarranted rant seems a bit much and a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

But please continue. This stuff makes the best threads!

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When I tested a compression top @ ERO it was actually SLOWER than a tank. the texture such as that on the PI and others makes a big difference

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When I tested a compression top @ ERO it was actually SLOWER than a tank. the texture such as that on the PI and others makes a big difference

WHAT?! You've got to be shitting me. A standard compression top was slower? But its surely the same fabric that castelli used. A retest will be needed.

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robgray wrote:
When I tested a compression top @ ERO it was actually SLOWER than a tank. the texture such as that on the PI and others makes a big difference

I think what this comment is directly pointing out is that I never claimed x top was the same thing as the Castelli top. Especially my comment about the Adidas compression top above in the thread. Shit, I was actually joking about the Adidas top; I simply grabbed the first top that looked very similar to the Castelli top.

I'm not naive to think that all compression tops are going to perform.... if at all. My argument has always been, "what makes something textured (as Jim@ERO noted to make something a fast top) to actually perform?". Once we know that, then I/we can look for cheaper versions.

As for wsroberts comments about my "precious UA top"... I even created a thread specifically about the UA top a couple days ago trying to find a legitimate, written in stone reason, as to why the top was a bad choice and no one really had any good input (in that thread). Personally (literally, this is all about me now), I need a new top for an Ironman race in hot and humid conditions, to replace my current tri tank. I've never liked tri tanks (even my waffled speedsuit version from Squadra) because it chaffs on the run and seems restrictive. I'm now looking at something like an UA compression top bc its comfortable, NOT because I think it's faster on the bike. I'd rather wear something comfortable for both the bike/run than something that "might" save me 3 or 6 or 6:36 minutes on the bike. Because, personally, I think I'll be much faster simply comfortable (to an extent) over 10ish hours.

Now as for real data, what compression top was tested with ERO that performed worse than a Tri tank? That's good information to know. And how bad did it perform?
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Looks like she has lost a kg or two this year. Maybe it is just the skinsuit but she looks crazy lean for 2013.

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Any hot news (maybe from someone who's at Kona-Expo these days) when the Castelli Stealth Top will be available and if they are also planning to offer a shortsleeve version which some pros were wearing during training (and maybe race in this saturday).

It's available next spring and only in the elbow length version that you've seen on the pros
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Jordano wrote:
Looks like she has lost a kg or two this year. Maybe it is just the skinsuit but she looks crazy lean for 2013.

X 2 not that she hasn't always been really cut to begin with.

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 Regular skins compression top (non textured, similar to many other compression tops). Also, non textured arm warmers/coolers were also about the same as the compression top.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe a skinnier Rinny can break her own run record?

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Regular skins compression top (non textured, similar to many other compression tops). Also, non textured arm warmers/coolers were also about the same as the compression top.

And how bad was it? Are we talking a significant amount of time?
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radelj44 wrote:
robgray wrote:
Regular skins compression top (non textured, similar to many other compression tops). Also, non textured arm warmers/coolers were also about the same as the compression top.

And how bad was it? Are we talking a significant amount of time?

I can't remember exactly. I'm in kona with no laptop. IIRC it wasn't super bad, approx 40-60 sec over 112 miles. So if u wear it for sun protection then fine, but I wouldn't just assume that any long sleeves will be FASTER.

A few days ago I rode out on the queenk in the heat of the day in a castelli skin suit and it was actually quite cool in the wind. But I think you'd lose too much time in T1 with that. The stealth top seems a good compromise.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [damon_rinard] [ In reply to ]
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I'd give Castelli the benefit of the doubt on this one - they've definitely done the research to know.

Cheers,

They may be fudging a few of the numbers. Based off of this picture from the other thread, the climbers jersey claims to save you some watts, but that thing is the most un-aerodynamic piece of bike clothing I've ever owned.


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Sounds good... and can you comment on the whole "texture" thing? Are you saying it needs to be the waffle fabric like PI, Squadra, etc. or just something that is not sheer or silky looking?
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They may be fudging a few of the numbers. Based off of this picture from the other thread, the climbers jersey claims to save you some watts, but that thing is the most un-aerodynamic piece of bike clothing I've ever owned.

There must be something wrong with your sizing/fitting. ;)
I do own two Climber's Jerseys and they are definitely the best fitting/tight jerseys of the Castelli 2013 collection.
No flapping (at arms, shoulders, back ...) at all.
To me it's Castelli's best jersey ever so far. For me it fits even better than this year's Aero Race 4.0 jersey.
Curious how the new Aero Race 5.0 Jersey will perform/fit.
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Smitty1 wrote:
It's available next spring and only in the elbow length version that you've seen on the pros

Thx for the information.
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So based on the 10watts/second saved/km rule a San Remo suit @24watts saved would net 7.5 minutes in an IM over a fairly tight jersey. Maybe a standard trisuit cuts that delta in half, still 3minutes +. Certainly worth a 30 second clothing change if accurate.

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oceanlife wrote:

They may be fudging a few of the numbers. Based off of this picture from the other thread, the climbers jersey claims to save you some watts, but that thing is the most un-aerodynamic piece of bike clothing I've ever owned.


There must be something wrong with your sizing/fitting. ;)
I do own two Climber's Jerseys and they are definitely the best fitting/tight jerseys of the Castelli 2013 collection.
No flapping (at arms, shoulders, back ...) at all.
To me it's Castelli's best jersey ever so far. For me it fits even better than this year's Aero Race 4.0 jersey.
Curious how the new Aero Race 5.0 Jersey will perform/fit.

The Climber's Jersey is definitely more aero than the Team Jersey, but roadbiker brings up a good point: if it doesn't fit then everything goes out the window. Fit is more important than the cut and textures. Most people buy their clothing too big.
I've been riding the Aero Race 5.0 Jersey since May. It's the first jersey I've been in since the original Aero Race where you can actually perceive the increased speed. My favorite jersey at the moment, though it doesn't let as much air flow as the Climber's so it kind of tops out at 85F/30C although it has great wicking.
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Look at someone like Tom Gerlach (sp?)... he made a homemade disc wheel and used it for years. It may have been a couple watts slower than a wheelbuilder cover but his was what? CHEAPER!! And still very effective!


Off topic, but fwiw I rode that disc to the 4:15:57 at IMFL. I saw 25 guys or so fall off the pace at some point on that bike ride and I never felt like it was slowing me down. When I visited John Cobb in the spring I asked him about it. He had me spin it up to speed and used his visual aero eye and then he also felt the airflow coming off it and said a couple of things. One thing he said is it wasn't any slower than any other disc out there. But he also said most discs are pretty much the same which I took to mean you can't innovate much there.


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oceanlife wrote:

They may be fudging a few of the numbers. Based off of this picture from the other thread, the climbers jersey claims to save you some watts, but that thing is the most un-aerodynamic piece of bike clothing I've ever owned.


There must be something wrong with your sizing/fitting. ;)
I do own two Climber's Jerseys and they are definitely the best fitting/tight jerseys of the Castelli 2013 collection.
No flapping (at arms, shoulders, back ...) at all.
To me it's Castelli's best jersey ever so far. For me it fits even better than this year's Aero Race 4.0 jersey.
Curious how the new Aero Race 5.0 Jersey will perform/fit.

Really? I'm on the smaller side, so maybe they are just switching over to the "American" small. There's too much material on the stomach and it'll bunch on me. It'll also wrinkle up the sides and the collar and sleeves have stretched to a point where they scoop air. I do like it, and it's great on hot days. How does the Aero Race compare?

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [damon_rinard] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely. Castelli and Pearl Izumi pay attention to the little details that make all the difference. That and choosing the right fabric for the job. I'll shout it from the mountain tops...bang for your buck, that T1 top is probably the best thing going right now as long as it fits you correctly.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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@oceanlife - yep that Climbers' is at least a full size too big.
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [camaleon] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah that's what I said in another thread. Why should anyone else show up then? Then SD hemmed about race tactics blah blah. So I take the 12' with a big grain of marketing salt.
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Absolutely. Castelli and Pearl Izumi pay attention to the little details that make all the difference. That and choosing the right fabric for the job. I'll shout it from the mountain tops...bang for your buck, that T1 top is probably the best thing going right now as long as it fits you correctly.


Here's a question; of the products listed below, they are all textured; if they fit tight how much am I losing to the T1 due to the half zip?

http://shop.craftsports.us/radioshack-leopard-trek-elite-aero-ss-jersey.html


http://shop.craftsports.us/elite-bike-attack-jersey-mens.html


http://castelli-cycling.com/en/products/detail/618/



There are other products I could list but I can get the answer from these. The only real difference (from what I can tell) is the zipper length, the length of the sleeves and pockets in the back.

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Swam at the pier this morning then attempted to get into the Stealth T1 with a wet upper body once I'd removed my swimskin. Very very difficult, meshy arms got stuck and it bunched up under my armpits. That little test has put me off. Might be ok if I had a towel in my bike bag to fully dry off out of the water.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [oceanlife] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah that Jersey is at least one if not two sizes too big. The whole point of a racing jersey is that it is skin tight, not flapping in the wind.

No wonder why it feels slow :)

I think a lot of people would save a suprising number of watts by just downsizing their race suit.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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Heather Wurtele (and likely other saucony athletes?) have one piece suits where the Castelli is a top ... Much like Marino last year the suit will be folded down in the swimming speed suit then pulled up / on after the swim (easy enough to do while moving to the bike)

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cannastar wrote:
Yeah that Jersey is at least one if not two sizes too big. The whole point of a racing jersey is that it is skin tight, not flapping in the wind.

No wonder why it feels slow :)

I think a lot of people would save a suprising number of watts by just downsizing their race suit.

I guess I was wrong on the fit then. Bummer, that's their smallest size.
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Dave Latourette wrote:
Heather Wurtele (and likely other saucony athletes?) have one piece suits where the Castelli is a top ... Much like Marion last year the suit will be folded down in the swimming speed suit then pulled up / on after the swim (easy enough to do while moving to the bike)

NOTE - I believe it is a champion system product

I spoke with T Wurtele about his 2 piece kit months ago and asked him what company made it. He told me Saucony takes their input and makes the products... I honestly call bullshit on that but take it how you will. I believe you over T.
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I only tested a few things, but the textured fabric (think zipp wheel dimples but on cloth) seemed to be better than very "slick" or shiny fabric

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [radelj44] [ In reply to ]
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Just take a look at Heathers one piece suit and I bet you find CS zipper tag hanging from it. (there were pictures earlier in the week on triathelete that you may be able to see) Now i don't know about their two piece kits and who makes them ... could be anyone they sub contract.

Marino had a LG suit last year I believe

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Do you have an opinion on the Aeroness of the Desoto Skin cooler long sleeve?
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Marino V had a custom made BioRacer suit that's starts at about $1200 or so per suit. Its extremely fast and breathable!!

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Dopers.Suck wrote:
Marino V had a custom made BioRacer suit that's starts at about $1200 or so per suit. Its extremely fast and breathable!!


This is a good point... if you're going to drop $300 on a top just for the bike, why not $1200 on a suit for both the bike and run? Is that excessive?


Really, this just makes me want to point out one very important thing that not many people know. ERO, great place and can't say enough good things about them, is a start up and do NOT test "everything". They test everything that people bring to them. With that said, they are hyping this Castelli top because that is the best thing they have tested, not because it's the best thing tested across the entire market of tri clothing. I spoke with ERO and considered going in to get tested (since it's just down the street from me) and at $800, I had to bring everything I wanted to test. They didn't have anything for me to try out.

I wanted to point this out so everyone doesn't read this thread and think, "this Castelli top is the greatest thing and the only thing". It may just be the greatest thing but we really don't know that until literally everything is tested.... just saying.

EDIT: For example: they talked up the new XLabs Torpedo system (and for good reason, it's fast) but then tested the Torhans Aero 30 and it tested faster. So for a month or two everyone thought the XLabs system was the fastest thing available, now we're told otherwise.
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Dave Luscan wrote:
Looking back over the article where she was set up by Matt Steimetz here:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...elt_IA_fit_3922.html

I am curious as to where those 7cm come from. It looks possible, just not clear exactly what changes from the photos provided. Can you clarify?

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Fleck wrote:
Full Skin Suits in Kona? Like this? From IMH '93.


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Yup, lots of examples:

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Tinley really was way ahead of things.

Love that pic.


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Crowie spoke at the Ironman Sports Medicine conference on Sunday and mentioned that he's going to be racing in a long sleeve suit.



Jim@EROsports wrote:
Depends on the suit, how it fits, material used, etc. I would say more than 3 but less than 6. That's one hell of a deal considering the price.

I don't know what Rinny is using. Amongst the favorites, we helped with Crowie, Leanda, Luke, and Rachael Joyce. The last two are also fit clients. There are several other elites and age-groupers racing we worked with on both fit and aero testing that will likely use long sleeves. From the above list, I'm not sure either Crowie or Rachael will wear sleeves. It's all about what they're comfortable with on race day. I suspect a few tops will be left in transition if, for instance, an athlete has a worse than expected swim time. They won't want to give up extra time.
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Wow, crowie is all growns up. This was the guy that rode an Orbea and wore a road helmet

Larbot wrote:
Crowie spoke at the Ironman Sports Medicine conference on Sunday and mentioned that he's going to be racing in a long sleeve suit.



Jim@EROsports wrote:
Depends on the suit, how it fits, material used, etc. I would say more than 3 but less than 6. That's one hell of a deal considering the price.

I don't know what Rinny is using. Amongst the favorites, we helped with Crowie, Leanda, Luke, and Rachael Joyce. The last two are also fit clients. There are several other elites and age-groupers racing we worked with on both fit and aero testing that will likely use long sleeves. From the above list, I'm not sure either Crowie or Rachael will wear sleeves. It's all about what they're comfortable with on race day. I suspect a few tops will be left in transition if, for instance, an athlete has a worse than expected swim time. They won't want to give up extra time.

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The aero testing performed by ERO Sports is a great bit of testing. And yes our Torpedo System was one of the fastest that was tested. We have had 3 athletes up there already! Having said this I think it is good to get both aero testing and wind tunnel testing results and look at both in order to come to a conclusion of which product is faster.

That is my opinion, but I did find it fascinating to see the differences in results for the clothing that they tested.

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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [Candice - XLAB] [ In reply to ]
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Castelli put a gallery online with some customized Stealth Tops and also some age groupers wearing it:
https://www.facebook.com/...039733170&type=3

Any first hand experience from athletes who wore it for the Kona race?
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Re: Kona Gear: Mirinda/Luke... SKIN SUITS!! [roadbiker] [ In reply to ]
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I wore the top (AG Female, 5:14 bike split). Loved it and thought it was perfect for the conditions.

A bit challenging to get on in T1, but with a quick towel dry and some helpful volunteers, it was fine. Probably an extra minute in transition.

No real proof that it helped aerodynamically, but it was snug and did not flap around. It also kept the sun off my shoulders and I am sunburn free today, just needed a bit of sunscreen on my forearms. Did not find it hot or uncomfortable at all, but chose not to run in it (sports bra + run shorts).

Overall, a recommended product.
Last edited by: lostinT2: Oct 13, 13 22:41
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lostinT2 wrote:
I wore the top (AG Female, 5:14 bike split). Loved it and thought it was perfect for the conditions.

A bit challenging to get on in T1, but with a quick towel dry and some helpful volunteers, it was fine. Probably an extra minute in transition.

No real proof that it helped aerodynamically, but it was snug and did not flap around. It also kept the sun off my shoulders and I am sunburn free today, just needed a bit of sunscreen on my forearms. Did not find it hot or uncomfortable at all, but chose not to run in it (sports bra + run shorts).

Overall, a recommended product.

Have you ever tried to run in it? How was it?
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