The new TT bike - the first pics

Feb 14, 08 11:42

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So my Jamis Xenith T1 frame set arrived yesterday and now of course I still miss all my drive train parts. :-(
Plus I realized that I need a 1" stem and not the one I had set aside with a 1 1/8" steerer. Oh well, I thought I would put it somewhat together to get an idea what this mean machine will look like.

Still looking a bit naked without bars, stem, saddle and drivetrain parts, but very sexy

I wonder where the front brake is? :-)

Nicely hidden inside the aero fork

The wheel cutout area is tight and tidy

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 11:49

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You know a bike is sexy when I get "full" just looking at it with just wheels.

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

ck21trhc

Feb 14, 08 11:49

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How much that bike or frameset cost you?
thanks
chris

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 11:51

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That is super cool. I think we will be seeing a lot more of this front brake integration from other popular brand names- including some of the most popular. It is a solid idea.

That bike looks killer. The wheels are cool too. Nice close fit for the rear wheel cut out. It's interesting Jamis has made such a credible looking contribution to the triathlon category when they previously were strong in very different categories. Good to see.

Tom Demerly
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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 11:58

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That is super cool. I think we will be seeing a lot more of this front brake integration from other popular brand names- including some of the most popular. It is a solid idea.

That bike looks killer. The wheels are cool too. Nice close fit for the rear wheel cut out. It's interesting Jamis has made such a credible looking contribution to the triathlon category when they previously were strong in very different categories. Good to see.

Unlikely since we have a Patent Pending on the design.

Cheers, Steven Fairchild

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:03

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I can't tell, but are those vertical or horizontal dropouts on the rear?

If they are vertical, there isn't much room for varying tire high points as they relate to the cut out on the seat tube. If they're horizontal, well, nevermind.

Bob

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:09

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looks pretty hot, except for the seatpost head.

Where would you want to swim ?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:09

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They are horizontal indeed, so no worries. I realize though that my pics didn't show this.

Herbert

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I can't tell, but are those vertical or horizontal dropouts on the rear?

If they are vertical, there isn't much room for varying tire high points as they relate to the cut out on the seat tube. If they're horizontal, well, nevermind.

Bob

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Macho Grande] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:11

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looks like they're horizontal

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:12

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also, that seems like a very high BB for a time trial bike ...

Where would you want to swim ?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:16

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Have you got calipers to take the measurements we all want to know?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:17

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I don't have calipers, but what measurements do you need?

Herbert

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [GregX] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:18

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"looks pretty hot, except for the seatpost head."

do you mean the dual position element of it? i wonder if there's any reason why one cannot take a hacksaw to the back part?

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:22

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Very, very nice. The brake placement is real clever.

What 1 inch stems are out there - what will you get? I use a Giant adjustable and want to upgrade to something less flexy on my old QR PR7.

David K

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:24

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Have you got calipers to take the measurements we all want to know?

Thanks for the kind comments guys. These are just starting to arrive in stores and availability will be limited, but will improve in a couple of months.

What measurements are you in need of?

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:25

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yup, the rear overhang part. not elegant, to put it mildly.

a hacksaw might work, but it depends how the thing is formed.

too bad they just didn't make a straight tri post for 95% of their riders, and another rear overhang post for the poor souls that have to bend to the dumb rules of the puzzle palace (the UCI).

Where would you want to swim ?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:25

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I agree with Slowman on this. I have been looking at a lot of these dual posts and never understand (other than resale value) why people do not take a dremel to the rear part. Once you are fitted on the bike, why have extra material.

I really like the look of this frame and fork and would love to purchase just the frame/fork package. If I ever do then I will take a dremel to the post for sure.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:26

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I don't have calipers, but what measurements do you need?

Herbert

No Calipers!?! With the Ghisallo gone and having acquired this frame it is time to accept that you are moving from ww to aw (aeroweenie) and get some nice calipers. Or a micrometer.

Width of HT. width x depth of DT (btwn bottle bosses), ST(above cutout), SS and post

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:28

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why can't you just use a shim to shim the stem to 1"?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [GregX] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:30

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Could not agree more with you Greg.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [GregX] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:33

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"too bad they just didn't make a straight tri post for 95% of their riders, and another rear overhang post for the poor souls that have to bend to the dumb rules of the puzzle palace (the UCI)."

that's what specialized did. otoh, maybe there's some nice little aftermarket piece that turns that seat post goiter into a rear water bottle cage holder or something.

Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:35

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I don't have calipers, but what measurements do you need?

Herbert

No Calipers!?! With the Ghisallo gone and having acquired this frame it is time to accept that you are moving from ww to aw (aeroweenie) and get some nice calipers. Or a micrometer.

Width of HT. width x depth of DT (btwn bottle bosses), ST(above cutout), SS and post

HT= 33mm
DT = 31 x 78mm
ST = 31 x 61mm
SP = 26 x 55mm
SS = 12 x 23mm

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [velothree] [ In reply to ]

ck21trhc

Feb 14, 08 12:37

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any idea on the price?

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [ck21trhc] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:38

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How much that bike or frameset cost you?

LOL, are you kidding? I don't think it cost him a cent ("Gorrilla" marketing anyone?)...and more power to him I say. :)

Herbert, sick looking ride mate. But after seeing the Walser/Cucuma pics, those wheels just scream for a white frame. ;) What are the final build specs?

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [ck21trhc] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:41

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Complete bikes

Xenith T2, $6300
Xenith T1, $3275

Frame kit, which includes Frame, fork, headset, brakes, seat post.

Xenith T2, $2450

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:44

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Sweet bike! A Token carbon stem would look nice with this bike. Matching red hi-lights. I've been using one on my Javelin for the past 2yrs. It has has a 1" steerer and I shim with no issues.

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:48

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I'm thinking SRAM Red, Hed two-piece bar, white saddle, white bar tape...nice!

Shawn
TORRE Consulting Services, LLC
http://www.TORREcs.com

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:48

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"too bad they just didn't make a straight tri post for 95% of their riders, and another rear overhang post for the poor souls that have to bend to the dumb rules of the puzzle palace (the UCI)."

that's what specialized did. otoh, maybe there's some nice little aftermarket piece that turns that seat post goiter into a rear water bottle cage holder or something.

We're looking into this, we already have a one pod seatpost on another of our bikes and they are interchangeable.

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:52

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That looks really nice.....too bad is says JAMIS on it, that name is hideous.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [footwerx] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:56

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why can't you just use a shim to shim the stem to 1"?

I was thinking the exact same thing and was surprised that it took so many replies to get to it. All my threadless headset bikes (yes, I have a few that are threaded) use 1" steerer forks with shims and 1-1/8" stems.

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [ShawnF] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:57

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SRAM Red, Xentis aerobars, Fizik black and white saddle, white bar tape. :-)

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I'm thinking SRAM Red, Hed two-piece bar, white saddle, white bar tape...nice!

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [velothree] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 12:58

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What is the MRSP on the frame and fork. Also what does the package come with. Are the brakes included as well as the seat post and clamp.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [velothree] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 13:02

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Steven,

Any ETA on the Sonik? I've been staring at that picture for months.
Thanks.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 13:04

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That seems acceptable ; )

Shawn
TORRE Consulting Services, LLC
http://www.TORREcs.com

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [velothree] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 13:06

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HT= 33mm
DT = 31 x 78mm
ST = 31 x 61mm
SP = 26 x 55mm
SS = 12 x 23mm

Thanks. Those are very good numbers. Narrowest HT of any of the carbon bikes on the market

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [jascott] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 13:17

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In Reply To:

Steven,

Any ETA on the Sonik? I've been staring at that picture for months.
Thanks.

We have them in stock now.

Steven Fairchild
Global Road Product Manager
Advanced Sports Inc/Fuji

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Bman] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 13:18

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Frame kit, which includes Frame, fork, headset, brakes, seat post.

Xenith T2, $2450

H

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 14:04

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wow just imagining that on your Jamis is making me drool all over the key board....siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick I cant wait to see the finished product!

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [velothree] [ In reply to ]

psycholist

Feb 14, 08 14:30

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Steven,

Just curious. Is there a short guy running around there at Jamis who's the 650c product manager? ;-)

.

Bob C.

The "science" on any matter can never be settled until every possible variable is taken into account.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 14:38

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Nice bike!!!!

love the moody shadowy effects in the pics.... :-)

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 16:21

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Your gonna need a bigger engine!

;-)

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 16:39

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really, really nice...can't wait to see the final build...best of luck...now get training ;)!

- Matt

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [HornetCoach] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 19:09

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I made an extra effort for this.

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Nice bike!!!!

love the moody shadowy effects in the pics.... :-)

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Feb 14, 08 19:13

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definately a good match with that frame and those wheels...pretty pimp

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [brider] [ In reply to ]

Feb 15, 08 4:54

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My 1 1/8 stem actually did not come with a reducer shim and really was only meant as a temporary solution anyway until I figured out the exact size needed.

H

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 3, 08 8:10

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Herbert,

Pix of the finished Rig?

Lusting
tp

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 3, 08 9:28

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When I see a wheel cutout as tight as that I ask myself what happens to that nice carbon frame when you pick up a chunk of road debris in your tire?

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [TomP_imc] [ In reply to ]

Apr 3, 08 9:39

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Yeah, seriously. This has to be the world's slowest bike build. The Argon 118s will be available before Herbert finishes it ; )

Shawn
TORRE Consulting Services, LLC
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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [ShawnF] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 6:24

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It is indeed a bit sad that it has taken so long. I am actually all about instant gratification but I had to wait for the super cool SRAM Red group items which did arrive a few days ago. I am not a good bike up builder and the friend who helps my was just suer busy this week but we should hopefully get it finished this afternoon. But yes, it feels like it was waiting forever. :-(

But good things come to those who wait.

Here is where it was about a couple weeks ago.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 6:42

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Herbert,
I respect your knowledge but I have to question your choice of steer tube lengths. I realize you've been in the industry a lot longer than I have but it sure seems like that is going to get in the way when you're in aero, not to mention you'll need about 57 spacers on top of the stem. I guess since you could rest your chin on it maybe it's for strain relief? :-) Looks wicked man.

-Andrew Saar

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than to do the wrong thing and be rewarded richly.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [AndrewSaar] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 6:48

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No, no, you've got it all wrong. That's the straw for the new Jamis internal aero drink system ; )

Shawn
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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [AndrewSaar] [ In reply to ]

fiddlesandbikes

Apr 4, 08 6:49

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It's a new carbon hydration system. The forks are hollow and the straw size was optimized for resting your torso on when not hydrating. I would put the overall gains at about 40%.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 6:52

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Herbert,
I was a bit skeptical when you told me about this new bike a few weeks ago on the trail run....I'd seen it in the magazines and all, but I didn't think that this bike would be an upgrade for you....WOW!!! Now I know! Hot bike man, especially with all the Xentis parts! Can't wait to see the finished product and hear a report on the ride!

Tony

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [AndrewSaar] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 7:25

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I see now, and I thought about actually shortening that steering tube. :-)

H

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 4, 08 17:27

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Where did you source your Xentis goodies? Planet-X? some place domestic? ... pardon me for TMI, but I have a chubbie for those aero bars.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 5, 08 7:15

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very sweet ride !!!!

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Herbert] [ In reply to ]

Apr 5, 08 8:20

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Sweet...I think they have done a great job with this from what I have seen.
It will be interesting to see if Jamis will have the fork/break available for separate purchase...then again the 1inch steerer tube would be a problem for most...Since Jamis has the patent for this system, as previously mentioned, I feel it would be advantageous for them to produce this fork in a 1 1/8 size for after market sales....I think a lot of people would be interested...It blows Oval's version of this concept totally out of the water.

Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [Slowman] [ In reply to ]

Apr 5, 08 9:11

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When you Bike Wrencher's say these kind of things...

"I wonder if there's any reason why one cannot take a hacksaw to the back part?"

"A hacksaw might work, but it depends how the thing is formed."

"If I ever do then I will take a dremel to the post for sure."

...I think I'm watching the Demented LBS on the Sci-Fi channel.

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Re: The new TT bike - the first pics [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]

Jul 7, 08 3:47

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HT= 33mm
DT = 31 x 78mm
ST = 31 x 61mm
SP = 26 x 55mm
SS = 12 x 23mm

Thanks. Those are very good numbers. Narrowest HT of any of the carbon bikes on the market

Second narrowest I think. I've seen the Look 496 listed as 29mm.

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