A chillpill (a big expensive one) is clearly in order. But, on the up side, I think we've found the woman for Tom D!

"I think we've found the woman for Tom D! "

.....and the bike fitter for her!

Maybe it's because people are coming over from another board and attacking one of our own. I think that people are getting the wrong impression of Cerveloguy. He's aces w/ me.

Everyone fucking chill! Goddamn who let my kids on this board?

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I disagree. To me, this place definitely feels like a community and I feel like I've made many friends here even though I haven't met most of them. I've seen lots of people get serious help and support here, and on much more serious topics than triathlon.


Sure, we fight from time to time, but we always(usually) make up in the end.

"Maybe it's because people are coming over from another board and attacking one of our own. I think that people are getting the wrong impression of Cerveloguy. He's aces w/ me."


I agree but I also think that the TNO croud felt equally attacked.

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"your horse is too high" - tigerchik

Good point.

I will second the idea that 'Claudia' is the product of an aspiring fiction writer's imagination. A writer who's been watching too many Melrose Place re-runs.

This thread is hilarious. I love the need for people to classify things into an "us vs. them".

Roadies vs Triathletes

TNO vs Slowtwitch

USA vs France

USA vs Canada

Decent, upstanding people vs New Jersey (Kidding, I loved my time in New Brunswick)

Roe vs Wade (What the???)

The fact of the matter is that both the TNO and Slowtwitch boards are great, and both are very newbie friendly. But both are certainly NOT for everybody or every newbie. When I was starting out at tri I hung out exclusively on the slowtwitch board. For a while I was on both, but I'm back to this one exclusively. Many prefer TNO. I don't care, good for them. Yes, the boards are different which is why I prefer one over the other. Many deride slowtwitch as being overly technical. Great!! That's the stuff I like. I want to read about technical crap and absurd gear debates, it's what I'm into. Some people hate that stuff. Good for them. Personally, I found TNO a little too, er, "friendly" for my taste, and quite frankly, the amount of posts was a little more than I wanted to handle. It's a great community where people really support and encourage each other. But that's not what I'm looking for in a forum, so I don't go there much anymore. But I would not be suprised if I'm in the minority and that most people are actually looking for that sort of atmosphere. Isn't it a nice thing that we have a choice???

As for the whole thing that started this thread... In every sport I've ever participated in there have always been those "veterans" (for lack of a better term, and yes, often vets in their own mind) who were concerned about others who were just starting out doing things in a way that was different from their own experience or beliefs. Most often, and I believe in this case too, this concern is rooted in a genuine desire for the experience of the newcomer to be safe and enjoyable. To a lesser extent, the concern is also for those who will be competing with the newcomer. Is this a bad thing?? I don't think so, but who am I?? In all honesty, I think the risk we're talking about here is relatively low, but certainly not insignificant. (If you want to read about real newbie safety and gear related bitch fests, check out some skydiving forums) But this "complaint" can be heard in cycling, triathlon, skiing, football, soccer (ever see a newbie slidetackle without training), auto/horse/boat/motorcycle racing. It's nothing new, and I think it's rarely malicious. People just let their feathers get ruffled by what is often times a less then stellar delivery. What's so bad about a desire for triathletes as a community to improve their cycling skills?? I know I need to. For shame!!!

I've f-ed up at races and had an off balance swerve that I know pissed some people off. Total bicycle-handling brain fart. Don't be that guy. It sucks.

From Tri2HaveFun's Post:

I hate when they try to draft me too and all it takes to get rid of them is to weave around a little.

Dude. Why do you think triathletes get a bad name? Pulling a stunt like that is dangerous and reeks of stupidity. If you know someone is on your wheel, here's an idea: Try sprinting to get rid of them, ride them off your wheel, or... and this is just a thought ... let them pull through, and meet a potential friend, training partner and bridge the cultural gap between roadies and triathletes.

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No sidewindin bushwackin, hornswaglin, cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter!

what's wrong with you people???

Cerveloguy post was just "I think some newbies are not fitted on appropriate bikes"...

Well, he is damn right! I wish there was a forum when I started biking where people would have told me: dude if you are 5'7'' don't ride a 58cm frame!
I wish there would be people telling me how to train etc...etc...
I don't think the attitude on this forum is elitist at all. Just have to see the range of times for most...one thing though is that most people enjoy the sport and this is why we come here...

now you all chill, have a drink, come back when you are relax and enjoy.

I agree. I've had more than one roadie jump on my wheel and we proceed to trade pulls. After a while you introduce yourselves and everything's cool. If you want them to take a pull, flick an elbow or move out. If you don't want to draft just stay in front or let them go if they pass you. I've met everything from weekend warriors to Cat1's this way. I don't mind roadies hopping on my wheel at all. There's definitely been times at the end of rides when I just wanted to get off the bike as soon as possible and I jumped on the train of a few roadies.

....."(got platinum, don't need to play that anymore). "..... G



couldn't pass up a chance at a plug for yourself eh?

Just wanted to make it clear that I, despite my love for TNO, I am not a rank newbie. If I was trying to "plug" myself, I would have chosen a more impressive achievement.

Sorry if it rankled.

G

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It's a little like wrestling a gorilla.........you don't stop when you're tired.........you stop when the gorilla is tired.

I once ate 22 slices of pizza in one sitting at a buffet in Oregon. The people I was with said it was an impressive achievment, maybe even a record for that particular establishment.

Now that is impressive! ;-) But did you have salad and breadsticks too?

G

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It's a little like wrestling a gorilla.........you don't stop when you're tired.........you stop when the gorilla is tired.

I was on Atkins, 22 slices of pizza was fine but the breadstick would have made me fat.

My mom can kick your moms ass!!!

... your right Francois... Cervelo just made an observation... I just don't get some of the posts... ah well, life of a forum - I guess.

I like it when a post (on another forum) who put this way..

..."I was lucky enough to be young and poor..." and "forced by economics..." to ride within his level of experience.

Excellent!

Joe Moya

joeM says: "Cervelo just made an observation... I just don't get some of the posts... ah well, life of a forum - I guess."

Actually some of it stems from peoples lack of reading comprehension skills and prejudices. Most of the inane posts however come from people who bounced between TNO and Slowtwitch posts (Claudia commenting to t-t-n's post at TNO but thinking she was commenting to Cerveloguy here at ST is certainly an all-time classic). I recommend to everyone to check out a smattering from both boards for some amusement.

Burns

To directly answer your question - I am not sure. It was during a race and I was not asking people as I passed them what their experience was. I can only sat that from my anectdotal observations in this race, the bike riding/handling skills and observance of the rules, both written and unwritten, on the part of most participants that I saw, was poor.

All roadies tend to get painted with the arrorgant-asshole brush. Like most things, there is always bad apples out there and I have come across my fair share of roadies who fall into that group - met one on my ride on Sunday, as a matter of fact( But then later on in the same ride ran into a perfectly nice group) Perhaps, I have been lucky, but I have always found good groups of people to ride with.

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[b]All the newbies are gunning for you Cervelo Guy. Better train hard for all those grueling sprints you have lined up this summer........ [/b]

So lets see - Cerveloguy is attacked for being elitist. Buts it ok to attack him for choosing to do sprints over ironman distances races?

Training to excel in any distance is hard if your trying to excel at it. Training to be able to race a sprint at 100% is much more intense then training for an ironman. And training for an ironman requires a doing more distance work. But that does not make training for one or another easy or harder, if your really trying to excel at them.

Matt

[b]Spoken like a true POSER.....I call BULLSHIT [/b]

Some people train to train and some people train to race.

I like to race, which is why I'm not planning on racing an Ironman this year. I was training for one race for the whole winter and then I got hit by a car 3 weeks before the race. I was at a personal best interms of endurance and LT fitness, but had nothing to show for it. So this summer I'm going shorter and racing almost every weekend. Maybe I'll get lucky and get some results.

So is a 1500m runner a poseur since they don't do marathons?

Matt

Watched the Cat 5 racers this week-end and they were bad also. When you watch the newbies you will see some poor skills . It doesn't matter what the sport : )

Absolutely agree. IM's aren't for everyone. A good friend of mine has never done anything over olympic distance, and until last year had only ever done sprint distance. Of course, his sprint distance (750/20/5) pb is around the 1:02 mark, so he's definitely quick. Another buddy of mine, who's in Australia now, medalled at the junior world's in 2002 (again, sprint distance, and --gasp-- draft legal). Doing 56 minutes for a sprint distance race is nothing to sneeze at, and you really need to be a stud / studette to do it.

I've done every distance from sprint to half-ironman, and I would say that the sprint races are tougher than a half, if you're really going for it. The half is all about pacing. In a sprint, you're just going as hard as you can for an hour or so. Ouch.

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