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just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance
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I was just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance. I am 5’10 and 150 pounds. I haven’t had any injuries, and I do run a 6 min (12k). I did try them about a year and a half ago when they first came out. I’m a forefoot runner and it put a lot of pressure on my metarsul pad. I wasn’t too comfortable with that light weight racer trainer because it put so much pressure on the pad. I do over pronate. I’m already a fore foot runner anyway. I felt that the front of the shoe was built up too much. I’m curious what your thoughts are. I thought that I mite give it another chance. I’m not really sure that the exchange policy is very liberal or not. I’m a fore foot runner, so what would be the benefit of that? I use the Brooks St racer shoe which is a pretty light weight racer for Iron man. I appreciate any input you might have. Thanks!
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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No.

#1 Why bother with a product that didn't feel good to start. Don't fall into the marketing hype.

#2 Why change a shoe that is working? Assuming yo like the Brooks, why change? It's a great shoe and one of the better trainers out there for the vast majority of runners.
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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I think if you decided you'd like to go looking for knee problems, then go ahead.

Seriously, if you have a shoe that works and you're not getting injured don't change it.

-Jot
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [gamebofh] [ In reply to ]
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i really wonder though if the concept really works ...propelling me forward more...saving mins or is it just the lighter shoe?
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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The concept doesn't work. What they've come across is that a shoe works better for the human foot when the heel and forefoot are more level. Adding the lugs to the forefoot simply raised the forefoot more level with the rearfoot.

Problem is the lugs make it less stable. Watching IMAZ from the run special needs bag area I was able to see quite a few of them run by. Some of the worst shoe-caused overpronation I've ever seen was from those shoes, and I've seen a lot.

I vote thumbs down on the newtons. I think a few people will really like them because their natural gait matches up with the shoe, but the majority of runners should steer clear.



If they got rid of the lugs and lowered the heel to the same height as the forefoot, then the shoe would do what it says it does.
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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if you didn't like them then it's unlikely it will get better. They're really not much for stability so if you overpronate, probably not.

I absolutely love mine fwiw, feel wonderful: and they're a bit faster than other racing flats in the trials I've done so far.
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [DrDubs] [ In reply to ]
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The concept doesn't work. What they've come across is that a shoe works better for the human foot when the heel and forefoot are more level. Adding the lugs to the forefoot simply raised the forefoot more level with the rearfoot.

Problem is the lugs make it less stable. Watching IMAZ from the run special needs bag area I was able to see quite a few of them run by. Some of the worst shoe-caused overpronation I've ever seen was from those shoes, and I've seen a lot.

I vote thumbs down on the newtons. I think a few people will really like them because their natural gait matches up with the shoe, but the majority of runners should steer clear.



If they got rid of the lugs and lowered the heel to the same height as the forefoot, then the shoe would do what it says it does.
i look at all my running shoes over the years and the heels are brand new...almost untouched..on shoes that have 400 miles
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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Dump them! They don't open contests to Canadians
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not saying to keep running however I kept running when I started out in them even though my calf was hurting. I strengthened my calf in the process so it paid off for me. I love Newton’s now and can't go back to anything else now, I have run in Asics since 1990 when they had the 110's. I can't say the Newton's aren't stable either, I've played a pick-up BB game in them and had no stability issues. I can't put my finger on the reason I like them and why they make me run faster, Maybe the lugs are a constant reminder to mind your stride. My calves are much stronger and I feel I get better push from my forefoot.

The customer service is outstanding, I tried on Trainers at the store and grabbed two sets of Racers I thought were the same size but Newton had different sizes for different shoes (Racers & Trainers)-They've since cleaned that up. Anyway I'm sending one brand new pair and one slightly used back and they're sending me the correct size to my APO. I'm in Iraq so I think she took pity on me since I couldn't get back to the store.

Also, I found out they have a Military, Police and Firefighter discount also $99. a pair, Tory @ Newton is sending me the process for Military orders, I'll post it if anyone is interested when I find out.
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [petalduck] [ In reply to ]
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when i ran in them the 1st time in 2 yrs this am..they put some funny feeling in my plantar..a sort of twitch or impingement that lasted a qtr mile...this feeling occurs every few months in the later stages of a longer run with regular shoes ...today it showed up in the 1st mile or 2...i sure like the concept of the shoe and will try working thru it
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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This is a "take it slow or regret shoe." I have 50 miles on mine and I am still slowly breaking me into them by switching them out between runs. If I get an even slight feeling of an achilles issue, I know the next workout will be in my Brooks. However, when I get back into my Newtons and start hitting my best times I know that once I fully migrate over it will be a good day.

From the Love em or Hate em group, gotta go with Love em. Especially in this bloody heat of South Florida. Sheesh.

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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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The concept doesn't work. What they've come across is that a shoe works better for the human foot when the heel and forefoot are more level. Adding the lugs to the forefoot simply raised the forefoot more level with the rearfoot.

Problem is the lugs make it less stable. Watching IMAZ from the run special needs bag area I was able to see quite a few of them run by. Some of the worst shoe-caused overpronation I've ever seen was from those shoes, and I've seen a lot.

I vote thumbs down on the newtons. I think a few people will really like them because their natural gait matches up with the shoe, but the majority of runners should steer clear.



If they got rid of the lugs and lowered the heel to the same height as the forefoot, then the shoe would do what it says it does.
i look at all my running shoes over the years and the heels are brand new...almost untouched..on shoes that have 400 miles

I thought the entire point of the newtons is that your heel never touches the ground. The new research shows that the days of landing on your heels and rolling through are done. We had a newton rep speek at our tri club meeting and the whole point of the shoe is to make you land midfoot. The only way you can land heel first is to have you leg extended way to far in front of you.
Now this is just what was explained to me. They seem to be a lot like a racen flat. Light and a mental edge. They work for some of our guys but if you do heel strike that little bump with make the problem even worse.



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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [Midget Pornstar] [ In reply to ]
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yeh i was actually thinking this am while i was running,,they should just leave the whole heel off...it would make a lighter shoe,,,i was running down a hill and didnt need to heel strike
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [swaco] [ In reply to ]
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Just now sitting next to my "no longer F-ing Newton wearing wife" with a tear in her plantar plate between her 4th and 5th metatarsal. She was a heal striker.
I have two friends that bought into Newtons as well, one has soft tissue damage and was told to stop running in Newtons by his doctor. The other friend has a severe metatarsal stress fracture brought on by his Newtons.

No second chance. Maybe a Newton bonfire.
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [Space Debris] [ In reply to ]
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They are just a gimmick. You will never see an elite runner wear them. Only triathletes
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Re: just curious if I should give the Newtons a second chance [Chubbly] [ In reply to ]
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They are just a gimmick. You will never see an elite runner wear them. Only triathletes
i agree...i was hoping otherwise though...im sending back....today was the 6th time and 30th mile..they put a lot of pressure on the acchilles and your foot slides alittle when u place ur foot plant ....im a forefoot runner fwiw
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