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Longhorn Tri Scouting Report
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I rode the bike course for the Longhorn Tri this morning. I want to share it with everyone. My ride today started out on 3177 but the course starts off on a 2 lane farm road until it hits 3177 and then you take a right onto 3177. It's a somewhat busy 4 lane highway, but with decent shoulders. Then, the course takes a right onto 290 and it's busier than 3177 but with wider shoulders. Then, the course takes a right on Old Kimbro Rd. For the next significant portion of the course, it's on farm back roads. There are a few patches of rough pavement, but nothing is that bad for that long. The road conditions vary from semismooth chip seal all the way to very smooth asphalt. It is very scenic with lots of farms, ranches, and fields. The course keep changing directions so it does break it up a bit and you aren't staying on a single road for very long stretches. There is all kinds of terrain. A few small rollers, so nice flat parts, and a few false flats which are somewhat annoying. There is a decent amount of shade along the roads as well but not much prolonged shade. The trees also block the wind a bit. The changing directions also prevents the wind from being a straight headwind or straight tailwind for a long period of time, too. Littig was kind of annoying because I think that was the roughest patch of pavement and it was a lot of false flats. Like I said, all of these roads are very lightly traveled two lane farm roads and there was very little traffic, but if there was traffic, it was big trucks and sometimes they were hauling trailers.

About half way through the course, you turn onto 1704. This stretch of road is very nice in some regards. The pavement is absolutely glassy smooth and it's fast. There is a pretty good amount of shade and there are some stretches of slight downhills. There are a few rollers, too. Now, the bad part about this road. It's a two lane highway with no shoulder and a decent amount of traffic. Then, you take a turn onto 969. Once again, a 2 lane highway with little to no shoulder but slightly less traffic. A right onto Blake-Manor leads into a somewhat significant hill. The pavement is mostly smooth for the majority of this road. A left onto Taylor puts you on probably the roughest parts of the course, but it still isn't too bad. As usual for this course, it's pretty scenic and you won't get bored with the course. Very nice Texas farmland. Decker Lake and Nez Pearce have some rough patches as well. Mostly fissures in the pavement and stuff like that, but still very lightly traveled. Gilbert leading up to 973 is nice. It's a slight uphill, but very fresh asphalt. Then, you take a left onto 973 which is the most dangerous part because it's a left at a red light and 973 is somewhat busy. It's a 2 lane highway with no shoulder and I got buzzed once that scared the crap out of me. On this road is a slight hill and then the toughest hill of the entire course. It's pretty big for Texas standards but not htat bad. It's maybe a 2-3 minute climb and you have to get in the little chain ring unless you are a beast. Oh, I got in my little chain ring maybe 3-4 times if that gives you any indication of the hilliness of this course, but I also tend to go up hills in the big chain ring, too. Once you crest the hill, you're about 2 miles from the transition area and there is another slight hill up into the transition area.

Overall, it's a very scenic course on either highways with big shoulders or little traveled farm roads for the most part. Some rolling hills, false flats, and flat, fast sections with only 2 or 3 moderate hills. Lots of changing directions as well to keep it interesting. I think Keith Jordan did a pretty good job selecting this bike course. I'm happy with it.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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Great report, thank you. I can't wait for this race

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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It's gonna be great!
Keep in mind, traffic will be quite a bit different on race day. Getting the Traffic control plan in my hot little hands today:)
3177 will have a coned/closed lane for you, as will 290. It's early in the race, and you'll be off of it before it gets busy.
Coming back into the park on 973, you'll be turning left on at the light. BUT, 973 will be one way traffic to the park, so you'll have that lane all to yourself. No buzzing of trucks:)

I REALLY like the bike course, glad you do too!
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks so much for this detailed description...I am doing this race and can't wait!!!

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the report appreciated.
See you in Austin.

fal7 in Houston
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, Keith. Anything you can do about traffic on 1704? That's great about one way traffic on 973. That makes me feel a lot better now.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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When did you go out? I usually go out there and sit on that road, most weekends, to check traffic. it's usually very light at the time we'll be going through there. Cars will be stopped as you make the right onto 1704 from Youngs Prairie, and there will be tons of signage before/after the intersection to persuade motorists to take another road on race morning. It'll be very well controlled by Police. I've had numerous meetings with the Bastrop and Travis County PD's, and have a lot of confidence in them.

I keep waiting for them to repave Upper Elgin all the way to 969....It's a great back road, that runs parallel to 1704. It's beautiful, but in HORRIBLE shape. As soon as they repave it, we'll use it:) I'd prefer it:)
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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I started riding at 7:15 so it was close to race conditions. 1704 wasn't bad, but the traffic on it was going fast especially since there is no shoulder. I agree that Upper Elgin would be a better choice once it gets repaved. We took a scenic detour because we missed the left turn onto Youngs Prairie and went on Upper Elgin a ways. It was kinda rough. As usual, it seems like you are doing a great job about making a great race for all the participants.

But I love 1704 except for the lack of a shoulder.

Oh, to everyone else out there, it seemed like all the corners were fairly gravel free. I'll be taking them pretty aggressively as well. There were bits of gravel around Old Kimbro and Littig but that's about it as far as I can remember. I'll probably do another test ride on the course before the race and fine tune my scouting report a bit better.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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I'd agree, although 1704 will be managed during the race....Upper Elgin actually gets really bad as you go further down it, to the point where it'd be tough to ride a bike on it...

All corners will be swept prior to the race:)
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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All corners will be swept prior to the race:)

Sweet! Very good, Keith!

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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I too rode this course this past weekend minus the stretch on 290 from Decker Lane to ShadowGlen Blvd. A few things I noticed as well. The turn onto Old Kimbro road does have some gravel like they said, is fairly rough right now, but once you get off that, the back roads until you turn on Littig Road are pretty new and some of them are like riding on glass!! I ride out here all the time and Littig Road is one of the roughest part of the course (along with Nez Pierce). The rest of the roads are in great condition for the most part and as stated...mainly rollers and flat. I think most people will be really happy with 1704 b/c it was rollers, but they were fast as they went slightly downhill and you could hit some top speeds without much effort. I'd also suggest keeping your momentum on 969 turning onto Blake Manor...a good 1/2 mile climb or so. Not huge, but if you aren't expecting it, it will slow you down a bit. Taylor Road is pretty fast as well, although short. As the other person stated, the 2 hardest climbs are at the very end on 973 but they are nothing really. I was riding small ring and about midway through my cog and was just taking it easy. I wasn't trying to push it. They are short and pretty standard "texas hills". I agreee...great bike route!!! I am pumped as this is so close to my home and i am used to these roads and hills east of Austin. I am looking forward to what KJ has put together for us!
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [tc_tri_texan] [ In reply to ]
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for those of us who live in truly the flatlands. (south of houston near galveston) how do the hills compare to Buffalo Springs? more worried about fast descents, those are my biggest fear since i never get to train on them.
i rode on hwy 360 and bees cave road once and that was scary to me. how does the half course compare>?? be honest with me. no sugar coating please.
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [jana] [ In reply to ]
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It's not going to be anything like 360. No worries there. The East side of town is much flatter than the Bee Caves area.
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [jana] [ In reply to ]
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Jana;

I live in Houston as well and was in Clear Lake for several years. Know what you mean about the Flatlands.
I rode parts of this course 2 weeks ago with some friends. Never rode Buffalo Springs but the descents are not particulary challenging on this course. I am more concerned about one of the last climbs and the Sunday traffic than anything. Since then have been some hill work at Eisenhower Park!!

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [fal7] [ In reply to ]
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Jana,
You shouldn't worry, the descents are nothing like BSLT. I did that one last year and some of those are comparable to 360 and Bee Caves area in Austin, but you won't find anything near that long East of Austin. The hills out here are usually much shorter and aren't as steep as what you will find in West Austin area. I have several friends in Houston, so I understand, but you really shouldn't worry. I wouldn't worry too much about traffic either b/c as KJ said, most of the main roads that have the potential for high volume traffic are going to have one lane closed for the cyclist. The only roads you should really think about with high volume and no shoulder are 290, 1704, 969, and 973. Most of those roads will be fine, especially on Sunday AM. I rode them on a Saturday morning and did see descent amount of traffic, but my riding partner and I did just fine so i have no doubt on race day that KJ will take care of us and we won't have traffic issues.

The hills in East Austin are more rollers than long ascents and descents like 360...so don't worry.
tc
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [tc_tri_texan] [ In reply to ]
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Course is nothing like what it'd be like in West Austin/Hill Country. That'd be TOUGH....There are rollers, and not really any major descents that I can think of...

3177 will have a closed/coned lane for you, up to 290. 290 will also have a closed/coned lane for the whole portion, I believe. If not, it'll be for most of it, then there is a large shoulder for you to bike in. After that, it's quiet for most of the course. 1704 would be the other issue, I'd say, but you're on it for only 5 miles. We'll work with the police closely, to control it. Traffic should be very light that early in the am on Sunday. On the return trip, when you turn back onto 973, the police are going to do 1-way traffic for that short stretch. I'm guessing that traffic will avoid 973 as well....

We'll take good care of you. I don't really see traffic being an issue. We expect it to be safe, and a great bike course, with great support. It's a unique course, as it's a 1 loop 56 mile course. It's not a 56 mile out and back, even. Each part of the course will be unique, as you won't be biking the same area twice. That'll make it safer as well, as there won't be bikes on both sides of the road, especially on the narrow roads.

Being 1 loop, it's also logistically difficult for us to control it. We'll have plenty of mechanical support, as well as a motorcycle medical team patrolling the course. Plus, there will be police at all turns, as well as volunteers. Mavic will be out there, as will Jack and Adam's Bicycles, to help out. We'll take good care of you:)
K
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [jana] [ In reply to ]
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There aren't any serious descents on this course. Like I said, there are 2 "significant" hills but it's nothing like Buffalo Springs by any means. They could be annoying if you live in the flatlands though, but I'm used to riding in west Austin so I think this course is fairly flat though.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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Keith, one question came up today. Do you have the train schedule for that day? I know there is at least one railroad crossing on the course and I'm wondering if you have that covered as well.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [erichollins] [ In reply to ]
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No worries...I have a written agreement signed with Capitol Metro to NOT run trains during the race:)

It was actually one of the first things I did...if I couldn't get that, I couldn't do the bike course....
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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I'm debating Oly vs 1/2. How does the Oly bike course compare to the 70.3 course? Also, what is the approximate temperature range at race time? TIA
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [Willrace4food] [ In reply to ]
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average high is 84, avg low is 63. So, expect temps in mid 70's or so....of course, you never know:)

I'd say the oly bike is challenging. it's significantly different than the 1/2. Half goes out east of the park, as has been mentioned. the oly is a two loop course circling the park.
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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No worries...I have a written agreement signed with Capitol Metro to NOT run trains during the race:)

It was actually one of the first things I did...if I couldn't get that, I couldn't do the bike course....

Keith, I assume this was in jest, you will have also contacted whom ever runs the industrial track that runs alongside Littig since it has to be crossed just after Old Kimball before the turn onto Parsons. I've been riding out there for the last 5-weeks and never seen a train, but they have moved/changed around the cement cars last week so the trains do run. Sods law and if those trains are the same ones that pass by Jack and Adams downtown Austin, they sometimes take 12-mins to pass. Race over if you get stuck on the wrongside of the tracks!

As for the road surface, I would say the worst piece of road on the whole course is Taylor Lane, its fine at the start, but when you start dropping down after cresting the first incline, many riders will be doing 30MPH+ and there are long slots that have opened up in the pavement, running in the direction of travel, easily wide enough and deep enough to completely trap a front wheel. They are not consistent either, some are on the right, some on the left and some in the center of the lane. After about half way down Taylor its great, and easily the longest fastest section of the course, excluding the drop down Bitting School Rd which is shorter.

We rode Saturday, there were loads out on the course. Not that I have any idea on why it wasn't chosen but its a shame the bike course didn't take Old TX-20 off 290, go through Manor and then right on Parsons to avoid the long drag on 290.
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [trimark] [ In reply to ]
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It was certainly not in jest...Those tracks are controlled by Cap Metro, even though they're not really used....I'm out there all the time, and have never seen a train either...But, I don't leave things like that to chance. I have a written agreement with Cap Metro to NOT run trains during the hrs of the bike course, just in case there was the potential.....Also, it's NOT the same track that goes by Jack and Adams, I don't believe. That track runs more north/south....I could be wrong, but don't think so, judging by the maps....

My first choice was to take 973 to Blake Manor, over to Littig/Parsons...that would eliminate all crossing of tracks....
The Police feel the roads are too narrow, and there are a bunch of subdivisions on those roads now. They were really concerned about safety.

They all felt having a closed lane on 3177 and 290 was much safer, and much easier to control. I deferred to them, as I don't really like 290 from a scenic point of view. BUT, we'll have a coned closed lane/shoulder for the 5 miles you're on it. So, it's hard to argue with the police. They really feel like it's much easier to control. After spending alot of time out there with them, I'd agree. Safety is the most important thing, and it's early in the bike...

TX DOT is going to sweep the shoulder on 290, and 3177.....

Believe me, we worked every angle on this stuff....You'll be off 290 EARLY in the day, and 290 at 8:15 am isn't very busy....
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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [trimark] [ In reply to ]
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I rode the course again on Sunday and my initial assessment still holds true. I agree that Taylor is a bit rough and I still have issues with the roughness Littig and the traffic on 1704. I actually saw a truck on 1704 take out 4 separate cyclists that were at least 50yds apart and I was one of those cyclists. He also locked up his brakes when he tried to pass the cyclist in front of me and there was a car approaching the other way. That was some scary shit and this guy was in such a hurry that the lives of 4 cyclists really didn't matter to him at all. With these issues, I still give the bike course a 7.5/10.

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Re: Longhorn Tri Scouting Report [KJ] [ In reply to ]
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That part of Blake Manor is some very, very nice road, but I agree that too many subdivisions have made it unsafe for a race this size. Also, I have no problems with a coned off lane on 973, 3177, and 290.

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