The top tube is 2mm longer; I doubt you could tell the difference. The seat angle is the same. The headtube is about 1 centimeter shorter. What are you hoping to achieve with the new bike? If it is a lower position, then just change out your stem. If you think the bike looks cool and have extra money then buy it, but don't expect to go any faster.

Chad

Well, it is mostly because this new frame has internal routing, a very aero downtube, and a cutout, which my QR do not have.



I do not really want to change my geometry that much, parhaps getting a bit lower, which as you mentioned I can go on the other frame as well, but mostly get this aero downtube, seat tube cuttout, internal routing for a low price. In your opinion, is those reasons not worth it? I will post a pic of my QR, it is a 0 gravity, so it is basically a road bike with tri geometry, and has no aero features.

What to you guys think? More opinions on the frame? Stupid reasons to "upgrade"?

You realize you can get the Project PR (frame+fork+hs) for $625 shipped. I talked with Van Dessel about the improvements from the Tidjrit model and it is worth buying the Project PR. I'd be negotiating for a lower price on this frame if your still interested. If you want more specifics, PM me directly.

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Rowdy

In your opinion, is those reasons not worth it? I will post a pic of my QR, it is a 0 gravity, so it is basically a road bike with tri geometry, and has no aero features.

If you plan to ride without waterbottles anywhere on the frame, then you might gain a few seconds with the aero tube and cutout. You asked for an opinion so here it is: Of the "big four" features that keep scrolling across the top of the page the only one that really matters is the less than 30mm diameter one. If you are riding a round-tubed bike then you probably already have that. The rest are mostly marketing. One guy does something cool and everyone has to follow suit to compete.

If you put a bottle on the down-tube then you waste that tubes properties. Same with the seat tube and the cut-out. They become superfluous.

It took me a while to admit that the difference between me riding 1:03 in a 40K O-distance ride and the guys riding under an hour was not the bike. For the money and effort you will put into it, you won't see much, if any, change in your speed.

Chad


P.S. Internal cable routing is a reason for me to sell a frame, not buy one. It is not fun.

Thanks man.... I agree 100% with all your comments, I'll be keeping my 0 gravity for now until I can afford a carbon wonderbike that can really get me lower and more aero, opposed to this which is basically what I have now...

You can check on this but I believe you cannot use 700 x 23 tires on this frame or they may rub the cutout. I ride a VD campitello, or did, but I've seen the older TT frame sellers and buyers warn about that very issue.