No they did not. Both of those companies simply lost interest in the sport having seeing very little to no ROI.

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Which points? Jack’s point that if it were not for Babbitt’s connections, athletes wouldn’t want to talk to him?

This being a bit ridiculous is one thing, but it’s also about how Jack expresses his criticisms. You can be critical without acting like an arrogant disrespectful prick. He’s probably a lovable guy in person but his online persona as shown on PTN was nothing but.

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Your points on jack and how he acts towards his guests and others are very correct. I just don't understand how or why he feels like he needs to be that way towards other people that have clearly grown the sport.

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You know, I was gonna say that some of this confrontational style feels like a very discount version of Ben Hobbs.

There's exactly one guy who was good at that, and it's Ben Hobbs. For all the shit-stirring, he could do a guest interview like nobody else in the sport, and hold somebody's feet to the fire without it feeling performative, nor did he come across as navel gazing.

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i am a bit surprised that you have an opinion about him him, since i think you did not know about him, till a few days ago.
I guess i have listened to 35 or so of his podcasts , not the messick one, and i guess he was confrontational in maybe 2, and there is not much shit stirring either.well the one with pro tri news was really bad but the tri news guys were even worse.
it is clear he thinks he is the only one who should do a tri podcast and he does not like ironman. but i think your assessment about him, most likely form a few snippets,is off the mark.
at the end of the day , his main subject is how they train and coach. and he does that ok.

I have listened to enough to draw a conclusion. Ben Hobbs did this -- highlighting pro athletes on a podcast -- better in 2014-2015.

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That's true, but the economics driving triathlon are IRONMAN. And it begs the question where would the sport be today without their financial engine. It reminds me of one of my favorite lines from the film "The Right Stuff". NASA administrator speaking about the need to make the Mercury 7 astronauts famous to help support their funding. "No bucks, no Buck Rogers".

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Absurdly false.

Tell me you are from the USA without telling me you are from the USA.

From the standpoint of amateur racing, not national federations supporting their Olympic efforts.

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168 working days to build

Is that fast?

https://www.pmi.org/...gigafactory-shanghai

i liked what ben did a lot, he was very good. but honestly i think this has not much to do with the how they train podcast. i would say if you compare it with ben you have not listend enough. as by and large it is really about how they train.

I guess us peasants will have to wait for the podcast but in what context was he even on the “how to train” podcast. I mean I get it, that’s just a name and so the content can cover all kinds of material. It was an interesting decision it seems by each party to take up this particular podcast. Maybe Messick has done the tri circuit podcasts, but I don’t remember him doing many (again maybe I’ve just not paid attention to them).

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Here's the ProTriNews/How they Train combo:
https://podcasts.apple.com/...1865?i=1000586614274
I had never heard/listened to Kelly before but, boy can he talk. Trouble is, by the end of the question you've forgotten what the key point was, if you haven't lost the will to live.
Perhaps I should steel myself and listen to a few of his direct interviews, so I can have a more balanced view of his style.
Perhaps he should interview some of the old no-hopers who still roll up (in Ironman's pocket) to provide an ignorant commentary (his words).
Anyone want to suggest an interview which offers some quality insights?

In 2018 Ironman brings in $90million per year in revenue.
In 2019World Triathlon, has 5 million in cash/short term investments. They have $8 million in revenue, about $3.5 million from the Olympics. World Triathlon operated at a loss if not for the income they receive from investments, which barely keeps their nose above water.

Is there anyone larger than Ironman that could be said to driving the economic engine of triathlon? Tell me you are a knee-jerk anti-American without telling me you a knee jerk anti American.

The observation that Ironman is the largest financial impact on triathlon is not an "American" one. It seems to be a factual one. Unless you're saying it's false an "American" to view the one with the most financial interests being the driver of the sport. If you think that's the case, that pure sport can't be reduced to economics, ask how far the pure sport of World Triathlon would go if it didn't have $2-3 million in Olympic revenue coming in every year. WT EBIT in 2019 was -500k. Only return on financial investments put its nose above water. It's not American to view money as the best approximate means to measure and compare value. It's literally the principle of which the thing exists and is used.

I just recently found his podcast and listened to the Collin Chartier and Alistair Brownlee episodes. The Chartier one was fine and interesting. The Brownlee one was definitely interesting but as others have mentioned it was painfully awkward with how much the host was worshipping Brownlee, especially the very end.

Regardless of what you think about this guy, I think we could all agree he gets good guests and that he really needs to work on the delivery of his questions. It's painful to listen to.

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The PTN/HTT podcast was by far the worst, nobody came out of that one well. I forget what point he was trying to make, but there was a long analogy about triathlon being like sticking with a partner while they were fat and ugly that was a particular low point.

To be fair, once he’s finally asked his never-ending question, he does pipe down and let his guests answer at length without cutting them off or interrupting. I just forward through his question and then work out the gist of it from the answer.

i tried again today to get through the Brownlee interview. I turned it off with 30 minutes to go.

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Haha I dare you to listen to the last 5 minutes!

Pointing out local bias makes me anti-American? SMH. Get over yourself.

Except my post did not bely local bias, it made a statement of fact.

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stop being a quitter. get more coffee, refuel and finish off that podcast now. ;)

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Election year for who? Municipal election was in 2021. But yes, the city did not/could not commit to the money early enough to make the event happen.

I had to sign in just to second your post! I can't think of a person triathlon misses more than Hobbs. If he were still interested, he is probably the one person who could actually draw people in from outside tri... but alas isn't he into roofing now? Long live TRS