There is nothing wrong with asking the RD if the bike split was ligit and confirmed via timing or something. It's all about how you approach it. If you ask nicely without suggesting that he cheated, the RD might look into it and give you a fair answer, and will probably act if something looks suspicious. If you start throwing accusing immediately you will come across as a douche.

But I don't see why it would be wrong to ask nicely!

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What was his run split? That is quick but not out of the realm of possible for a 6 mile TT. Curious what his bike setup was... Look him up on athlinks or whatever and see if you can find some other other results that suggest he's capable of such a bike split.

Thanks, I think this is a good idea. I definitely wouldn't want to accuse anyone of anything

Ask the RD if you want, but what are you really asking for? The 2d place medal? Changing the results online that no one but you will ever look at?

Not sure I'd do anything for a local super sprint, but I wouldn't make fun of you for contacting the RD.

However - if it were a question of qualifying for Nationals and there was an actual consequence by dropping you out of the top 10% (and you wanted to go) then you should definitely ask

His run split was 16:42. Only thing I found on Athlinks was 70.3 San Juan this year @ 2:54. Which is way better than my HIM PR, so who am I to talk. But 33MPH just seems crazy fast to me

Yeah, if I was a betting man, I would wager he cut the course (whether intentionally or unintentionally). 16:42 for 2 miles after a ride like that?? he must have really over cooked the bike, haha. As the other poster said, unless there's something to be gained by having the results changed, let it go. Congrats on finishing 2nd in your AG.

So, if I understand you correctly, he avg. 19.3 for 56 at San Juan and 33 at your SS? It's possible he had a mechanical or some other issue at San Juan, but I don't think your concern is baseless either.

There is something to be gained. I would move from 3rd to 2nd. And somebody else would rightfully win the AG. And someone who broke the rules, whether intentionally or unintentionally, would be penalized. This is like the pro race in Bahrain. Guys cut the course unknowingly, and they were served penalties. The results changed due to those penalties. It happens.

To put his bike split in perspective, it's a faster pace than won the 2003 Prologue of the TdF (which was only 6.5k). We're talking the best professional bikers on the planet in full doping mode (it's 2003) without a swim or run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/..._Prologue_to_Stage_9


He'd also have beat Cancellara and Wiggins in the 2012 prologue.


Yeah, he missed a lap.

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They say a bank robber always returns to the scene of the crime. If your investigation leads to a finding of an irregularity, but a level plain for your age group next year, you've done future athletes a favor.

I agree with the other posters in that the answer is obtained "for the greater good," not so you can get a 2nd place medal. You're 2nd place already in your heart, log book and on Slowtwitch. Places where it counts.

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I didn't realize your super sprint had a $500,000 prize purse. In light of this, yes I would most certainly raise my concerns with the RD.

Unless there's no turns, downhill from T1, uphill finish to T2, slightly wind aided, no way. He'd have to average 35mph at least to factor in acceleration and de-acceleration.

I'm pretty damn aero and 35mph I'm pretty sure is over VO2max for me and for 11 minutes, best you be able to run off of is 115%.... maybe. 115%, I'm at around 32mph I think. Those next 3 mph will take a lot more power!!!

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Is the total time for the race in line with his other results?
A timing company in our area is well known for having the wrong splits but the OA time is normally correct. At one race they had me listed as "running " a 4:53 pace at a race. I'm a 50+ female.

Naw, not possible. That would be a pro level performance and he would be well known in the area as an amazing time trialist.

If it means something to you, send it in. I wouldn't worry about it though.

He should have known that he missed a loop. Maybe it was an honest mistake but he didn't
make it right by fessing up. He's a douche canoe for not coming forth. Yes, I'm going to use douche
canoe every chance I get from now on.

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I'm seeing no mention of this from before this week. I'm way out of touch.

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I'd say something.....you put in the time and effort.

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Anyone who can bike at 33 mph for more than a couple of minutes on the flat without a big tailwind must have some issues if they can't do better than an 8:21 pace for a 2-mile run.

Could be several things, as already discussed. Maybe he really struggles with his running. Or he accidentally missed a lap. Or he skipped one lap on purpose. Or the timing was bad. In any case, it wouldn't be a big deal for me, but you may have other concerns.

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It was a super sprint pool tri. Even 23 mph is almost suspicious let alone 33. Why is this even a thread? Just email the RD and the timing company and they'll fix it - or they're the ones paddling douche canoes.

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Event Power race at Eisenhower Park in East Meadow, NY yesterday???

I was a bike safety marshal. I'm also a pretty good biker, and there was no one there yesterday that could do 33 mph average on that course. I suppose it's possible that someone holding a pro card could do it, but between the turns, the sand, and the road conditions, not to mention the parking lot in and out section you would be risking your safety and everyone else's trying to pull it off.

The question really is, why do you care? That race was originally a Try-a-Tri event that has slowly morphed into what it is today - a well run beginners race.

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Yes, it was that race.

Why do I care? This is tough to answer because obviously I want the race to be fair and I want to know that the organizers are paying attention to things like that and trying to put on a fair, well run race (which I think they already do). These races are expensive, even a pool sprint and I want to know that the money is working towards the best race possible. At the same time, I don't want to be that guy. But also at the same time, if I legitimately came in second, I want to know! As I'm sure the guy who should have won would. I know it seems ridiculous but I don't get much success in this sport and when I do it feels good and keeps me motivated to train and get better.

I agree that it's a well run beginners race, it was the first race I ever did, but let's be real here...there are a large number of people at this race who are not beginners. They are seasoned vets who come to race hard and test their off season fitness. And even if it was a beginners race, so what? That means that it shouldn't be held to a high standard where the rules are followed and when they're not people aren't penalized? That would discredit this race, which I don't want to do and I'm sure the organizers don't want to do.

Why do you care that he cares? He cares because it directly effected him, you had to go out of your way to be effected by this.

Like others I wouldn't do anything. Actually I would go for a run.

Thank you ajthomas and I respect that you wouldn't do anything. Still not sure if I will or not.