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Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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I think that he is stretched out too much and the bars dropped below horizontal is very bad form. I wonder how he can ride so fast with that position :)
Re: Normann's position [Allan]
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Anyone know if Normann's been in the wind tunnel?
Hard to critique his position based on his results...
Hard to critique his position based on his results...
Re: Normann's position [RoadWarrior]
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Re: Normann's position [Allan]
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[/img]I'm with you on this Allan, pun intended! I'd prefer this position over Stadlers.
Notice how many pro's mimic the roadieTT, that is relatively short in distance compared to the Ironman. It may give them a bit more wattage sacrificing a lot more comfort and relaxed body coming of the bike for a strong run.
Notice how many pro's mimic the roadieTT, that is relatively short in distance compared to the Ironman. It may give them a bit more wattage sacrificing a lot more comfort and relaxed body coming of the bike for a strong run.
Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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I think this is the year of desert gold.....
Holey moley...is he flexing those shoes? Scary.
Doesn't look like much has changed in his position. He's fast and will be off the bike 1st.....perhaps Lieto might pull a "Sinballe" and go nuts on the bike to prove a point.
Holey moley...is he flexing those shoes? Scary.
Doesn't look like much has changed in his position. He's fast and will be off the bike 1st.....perhaps Lieto might pull a "Sinballe" and go nuts on the bike to prove a point.
Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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How tall is Norman?
Re: Normann's position [trican1]
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Thanks for posting that pic of Mark Allan.
Interesting to compare the postions from then( early days of aerobars) to now. Also interesting to note, and I am not drawing any conclusions here, just making the observatuion, that they were cycling just as fast back then and the very top guys of the day( Allan, Dave Scott, Greg Welch et al) were running faster off the bike.
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Interesting to compare the postions from then( early days of aerobars) to now. Also interesting to note, and I am not drawing any conclusions here, just making the observatuion, that they were cycling just as fast back then and the very top guys of the day( Allan, Dave Scott, Greg Welch et al) were running faster off the bike.
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Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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Is that his current position?
Tom Demerly
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Re: Normann's position [rmur]
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So... does David Millar have a small head, a big helmet, or both? He looks like Dark Helmet. Some funny pictures in there.
http://www.lswt.com/cmedia/dmillar.html
http://www.lswt.com/cmedia/dmillar.html
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Re: Normann's position [Fleck]
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True. I think there are a lot of reasons for the legendary abilities of the Big Four, one of which is that they raced head-to-head a lot more than the current crop of IM specialists do today. When they were dominating Ironman races, they were also dominating the International / Olympic distance races, Nice, and everything else. I think that all that racing just made them tougher.
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Re: Normann's position [Tom Demerly]
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I assume it is - taken from his website under the Kona 2006 heading.
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Re: Normann's position [Allan]
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Yeah I have also noticed more pros dropping the aero bars. I have also done the same just to try it out. Nothing ventured nothing gained mentality. Does offer more comfort to me, but we will see.
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Re: Normann's position [Fleck]
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When you look at the early positions with aerobars you really see how they were adapted from downhill skiing. The hands are up and the body is curled tight to create air flow around the whole system rather than low hands and open chest creating a flow through the middle.
Re: Normann's position [callidus]
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Looks like a solid position for a power rider like Norman. He is approx 5'10" and yes I believe that is his current position as he is riding his new kalibur with the kona specific paint scheme.
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1st: body position is the vast majority of the drag (i've heard as high as 80%). The bike is minimal but it does make a difference. Mark looks like his back is flatter than norman's and that may negate some of the advantage norman has with his frame
2nd: those guys were riding deep dish aero wheels and when mark was riding so fast he had zipp 440s and a project 96 aero tubed bike. Probably not much less aero than todays p2c.
3rd: People ran faster back then. Just look at how many sub 2:20 marathoners there were then vs. now. Running was mainstream. Yes, there are faster runners now but not from the countries wealthy enough for swimming and biking as well.
4th: i think the strategy has changed. just like in running where the olympics isn't necessarily where people are shooting for pbs in running. Many times it is a cat and mouse game with intentional slowing at places.
For what it's worth,
Dan
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2nd: those guys were riding deep dish aero wheels and when mark was riding so fast he had zipp 440s and a project 96 aero tubed bike. Probably not much less aero than todays p2c.
3rd: People ran faster back then. Just look at how many sub 2:20 marathoners there were then vs. now. Running was mainstream. Yes, there are faster runners now but not from the countries wealthy enough for swimming and biking as well.
4th: i think the strategy has changed. just like in running where the olympics isn't necessarily where people are shooting for pbs in running. Many times it is a cat and mouse game with intentional slowing at places.
For what it's worth,
Dan
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