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No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA?
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let's put the focus where it belongs.

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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is there a story here I'm unaware of?
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Runguy] [ In reply to ]
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yes. ask a journalist, if you can find one around here.

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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I'll try and gen up the required amount of outrage if you post some background info. What did they do, reinstate all of Lance's wins or something?

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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does this have to do with the fondo he is to ride this weekend with Hincapie ?
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [spot] [ In reply to ]
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nah, just the usual. It irks me that people go ape over somebody racing a GF when there are current active members of USAC and trade teams that were also involved in said somebody's banning, and that the guy seeking the ban, while doing the right thing in that moment, has mucked the whole thing up in the big picture and lost credibility.

did you ever see that social network link diagram I posted during all the LA donnybrooks and hullabaloo here on ST back in 2012?

one small tidbit - here's a quote from VN:

"In March, (USAC CEO) Johnson fell under scrutiny after the publication of Juliet Macur’s book, “Cycle of Lies,” in which former U.S. Postal rider David Zabriskie said that he told Johnson of the Postal team’s drug usage shortly after Frankie Andreu’s admission of PED use in 2006.
Johnson denied the allegation, telling VeloNews that he had learned for the first time of Zabriskie’s allegations in an excerpt from Macur’s book, “published without her ever having contacted me regarding these claims.” Both Macur and Zabriskie disputed Johnson’s version of events."

Read more at http://velonews.competitor.com/...#CHosJoQ7hReZR1r1.99

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Runguy] [ In reply to ]
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is Tygart or USAC CEO Johnson riding a Fondo?

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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no , LA and others are though.

Here is the link (I thought maybe you were referencing this):

http://velonews.competitor.com/...incapie-fondo_350166
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Runguy] [ In reply to ]
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you're right, I am referencing that, but I'm trying not to. I'm being snarky to draw attention to the issues that really matter and that are still unresolved/unknown that cropped up during the whole LA debacle... ie. what the actual f*ck is going/went on at USAC and with Tygart.

I'm also trying to draw attention to the fact, through my ommission of the Fondo riders, that people write about them over and over for the clicks,

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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More intrigued that George and LA are still friends. I thought/was told George was one of the 'damning' witnesses.

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [dsmallwood] [ In reply to ]
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Ask Greg Anderson how it goes for refusing to testify before a grand jury.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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Think it would be "riding" not "racing" as it's a non-competitive event.

But to your point, over time I've come around to what I think you're getting at. There are those who have been caught and those who haven't (yet), but still a lot of rotten apples hanging on the tree. And they're not just riders.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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eric, maybe i'm just dehydrated, but it seems you are being a bit vague. are you upset that lance would be riding in a gran fondo? as for it being against the rules of his lifetime ban, what can USAC really do, give him a ban for 2 lifetimes? either way, they'll probably drop the ban after 8 years.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Sojourner] [ In reply to ]
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No

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetence of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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OK, I'll check that off the list of things you are potentially upset about.

I'm not typically a grammar-nazi because I invariably make mistakes as well, but there is something ironic about misspelling incompetence when you are describing someone to be just that.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetence of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Sojourner] [ In reply to ]
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Did Timmy fall down the well Lassie? Is that what's wrong?

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Runguy] [ In reply to ]
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Runguy wrote:
no , LA and others are though.

Here is the link (I thought maybe you were referencing this):

http://velonews.competitor.com/...incapie-fondo_350166

Sounds like a nice dopers reunion going on. Tejay Van Garderen a big time doping apologist with his quotes.

http://velonews.competitor.com/...ondo-hincapie_349986
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [mcycle] [ In reply to ]
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What I find unfortunate for today's guys like Tejay is they have to deal with fans like you, who label him an apologist because he expressed understanding for the past generation's indiscretions. That's really a unique interpretation, basically he doesn't express a degree of outrage that some deem necessary, so clearly he's advocating for the past.

There's irony in that most of the younger pro's opinions, who have to deal with those questions, expressed similar sentiment. Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.

and this is the crux of my post.

If you're going to boil over, boil over at the right people, and boil over at a part of the story that still hasn't been told. At this point ranting about what the riders are doing/did is pointless, and is basically just click bait from weak sites like VN, ESPN, and others.

I'd rather see some critical thinking about the bigger players.... Tygart/USADA, Och, Weisel, USAC, Tailwind, Oakley, Nike, Trek, etc.

I realize this is a big ask, tilting at windmills, especially based on this small brouhaha of a Fondo that only involves Tygart and USAC, but still.

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Carl Spackler] [ In reply to ]
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Carl Spackler wrote:
What I find unfortunate for today's guys like Tejay is they have to deal with fans like you, who label him an apologist because he expressed understanding for the past generation's indiscretions. That's really a unique interpretation, basically he doesn't express a degree of outrage that some deem necessary, so clearly he's advocating for the past.

There's irony in that most of the younger pro's opinions, who have to deal with those questions, expressed similar sentiment. Yet some fans are still boiling over with anger.


If I were in their shoes with the exact same pressures, etc., I would easily see that I may have done the same thing. Anyone who can say with 100% certainty they would not have are
just, well, ...





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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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This is the most sensible post I've read on this topic in the past 2.5 years. As a so-so triathlete in my 40s with a family the choice is obvious, but I do wonder what I would have done in my early 20s if I had enough ability to be a pro cyclist. Obviously some guys were strong enough to say no (at great cost) and I'm full of admiration for them, I hope I would have been as noble.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [Chick Hicks] [ In reply to ]
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Chick Hicks wrote:
This is the most sensible post I've read on this topic in the past 2.5 years. As a so-so triathlete in my 40s with a family the choice is obvious, but I do wonder what I would have done in my early 20s if I had enough ability to be a pro cyclist. Obviously some guys were strong enough to say no (at great cost) and I'm full of admiration for them, I hope I would have been as noble.

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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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ericM40-44 wrote:
No

I think the real question is what happens to your username when you age-out of your age group.
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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [ericM40-44] [ In reply to ]
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Cycle of Lies and Wheelmen absolutely do reveal the corruption within USAC and I am disgusted with it as you are.

I'm not sure why you are disgusted with Tygart though, he was the only one that stood up to all of that. The granfondo thing may seem silly but he just dogmatically applies the rules. That is why he was able to bring down Bruyneel and others when nobody else would. Don't expect him to stop dogmatically applying the rules based on how trivial they seem to you.


ericM40-44 wrote:
you're right, I am referencing that, but I'm trying not to. I'm being snarky to draw attention to the issues that really matter and that are still unresolved/unknown that cropped up during the whole LA debacle... ie. what the actual f*ck is going/went on at USAC and with Tygart.

I'm also trying to draw attention to the fact, through my ommission of the Fondo riders, that people write about them over and over for the clicks,



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Re: No thread yet on on the corruptness / incompetance of USAC and Tygart at USADA? [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Would I have done the drugs? Sure! Good chance I would if I had been in there shoes.

But read one of the books like "Wheelmen" or Cycle of Lies that you take you deep inside the scenes and reveal what special kinds of assholes Weisel/Bruyneel/Armstrong were and ask yourself if you would have been like them. I sure hope most of us would not have done the same as those guys.


h2ofun wrote:

If I were in their shoes with the exact same pressures, etc., I would easily see that I may have done the same thing. Anyone who can say with 100% certainty they would not have are
just, well, ...





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