So...

You're accusing a professional rider who has won the Giro and the Vuelta of doping, without any proof or previous adverse findings, correct?

John

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That's exactly what he's doing

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Alexander Vinokourov would not put up with anything like that. I'm pretty sure....

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Lance went up that climb over two minutes quicker.

More to the point...had Froom still been around to out-climb him like he did last year, would you still be on here crying about Nibali?

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I went to watch the Tour this year and it took a lot of self-restraint not to throw my flapjacks at the Astana car as it came through!

I like Nibali, but Vinokourov represents all that was/is wrong with pro cycling.

No Froome and no AC in the race right now, so it is hard to compare Nibbles against a bunch of pre-race non contenders.

Vino taints the team certainly, but to me this year's tour looks like a bunch on normal guys suffering. Nibbles is at different level than the remaining field, but does that mean he is "not normal?" I don't know.

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That's what I thought too. Dan will be pleased, I'm sure.

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Well to be fair historically a good test of doping is the question "Have you won the TDF?" If you answer yes, odds are you have used PEDs.

Using that logic I will firmly believe that Nibali is clean until he wins in Paris.

He has had plenty of bad days this year, but he's on really good form right now. I'm impressed by today's result, it is a very good down payment on the overall. However, let's see what the top ten looks like after a time trial and a couple days in the punchier Pyrenees. I'm not totally sold on him yet but I'm not sold on anyone else at the race either.

and to be more fair :) wasn't Nibali(and others) caught up in doping investigation a few years ago?

Post of the day that I've seen. I laughed out loud.

You didn't laugh out loud........you LOL'd!!!!!!!

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Bro give the guy a break, he just had a rest day.. He's fresh

I love threads like this....cyclist with history of success does well at the biggest race of the year = doper.

Female triathlete with no background in world-class sports wins 13 IM races and completely obliterates competition = best triathlete ever.

How about a little intellectual consistency?

(No, I am not saying Chrisse doped.....just applying the (poor) logic to another athlete)

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If you're looking for reasons to be suspicious -- and I'm not -- the cobbles day when Astana just rode away from Cancellara is more suspicious than Nibali winning a mtn stage. The current TdF is not exactly stacked with top climbers. On paper, you'd expect Nibali to win today's stage against that field.

that the guy winning when the top two contenders have crashed out is now accused of doping really illustrates how ridiculous the "good results imply doping" people are.

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Boom.
Really missed AC and Froome today. Nibs would not have been alone.
But then again, all 3 would have been juiced, right?

I have no concrete reason to believe any of them are.

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Nibali is peaking and has lost his main competition. Things would have been harder for him with both Froome and Contador. The question is if he can maintain this the rest of the Tour. Fulsang is beat up and everyone will keep attacking Nibali. My only complaint is having a proven former doper, Valverde, in second place. A gifted rider, but you know he's doped in the past when he can drop a doped Lance on climbs...:)

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True. Funny. Sad.

That said, he's a far more interesting racer than Froome and Contador. The way he rode the cobbles, and also the timing of his attack for his first stage win are things Froome simply would never do. I like watching him race.

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They didn't precisely drop Cancellara, either. Rather, they were following near the front and somebody opened a gap between them and Cancellara, and he just refused to be the only one working.

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I really want to believe that the Tour and the sport is now pretty much clean. I am sure that they all do stuff during training that may push the boundaries (in the pursuit of marginal gains...) There will always be the odd one who tries it (and gets caught as has happened a few time this season). Probably na�ve of me, but I am hopeful, the sport needs some good press for once!!

I think there is just a deficit of talent this year, if Froome, Contador, Schleck and Quintana had all of been riding the last few days I think there would have been a strong group pushing each other and we would have seen that group riding away from people. Nibali just isn't really being tested, and his team are looking after him really well.

However, if he burns the field on the TT then I think I may change my mind about that above statement!!!!!

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Not so sure he would be part of a strong group. The other 3 yes. Schleck, not so much (and I mean both of them).