DC Rainmaker has tested it

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/...ahoo-kickr-snap.html

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To me it looks like a more expensive version of the Tacx Vortex Smart, especially since Tacx opened up Ant+ compatibility options just four weeks ago. These new classes of power trainers should ring the death knell for Computrainer.

Nah, if it looked like a CompuTrainer there would be a rats nest of wires leading to a 1970's tv remote. And where's the $150 cadence sensor.

Hey, I did say a 21st century Computrainer;)

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Looks like a cycleops powerbeam, I think people forget they exist


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Very interesting! I was planning on getting a computrainer this winter but this looks like a great alternative. It's essentially about half the price of a CT but much more modern. The big question will be its stability - don't want the drift in power (or lack of accuracy) that has been discussed at length about the kickr. Would be nice to see some data over long rides...

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If such an issue exists, would you expect it to be any different with a model based on the same technology?

Yup, only thing the kickr snap has is the btle control via some apps that talked wahoo's api.

Hoping my 810 gets FE-C if not, it's going on the girl's bike when the 820 comes out.

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Well it is clearly somewhat different technology, as the braking mechanism is now applying a breaking force directly on the wheel, which means different hardware and with that different firmware. I don't think it was ever specified whether the drift issue is hardware or firmware related. Also, the accuracy is spec'ed differently - 5% for the Snap vs 3% for the original (per the website). That also suggests it is somewhat different. So I think we won't know until some early adopters have a chance to try it out.

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Both are electromagnetic load generators. One with a friction roller to the load generator and the other with a belt to the load generator. It seems unlikely that these are based on two different load generator technologies.

I agree. I would expect it to be near identical in real function and resistance hardware to the original kickr. I'm guessing Wahoo bumping this up to a 5% margin of accuracy is because you are introducing the tire contact into the mix now. So that is one more variable to impact accuracy. I would expect the basic characteristics and "flaws" to exist on the snap. Major perks to the snap are cost and powertap users can still use their external powermeter.

I also agree that tacx is a major contender now too. The only thing I haven't seen on the tacx is how well is the "real" feel of this trainer. The huge flywheel on the kickr really creates a good road simulation.

I have been lusting after a KICKR for a while, and while the SNAP has everything I want, the savings of $350 doesn’t make me want to jump on it. In fact, it pushes me away from it because when I am at the price point of $849, it becomes less about saving money & more about getting exactly what I want. In this case, I would say that if I’m already willing to pay a premium for a trainer, why get a standard roller trainer with all the negative nuances (i.e. wheel slip, tire dust, having a separate wheel/tires, etc) when I can get a KICKR trainer for just $350 more.


Pricing the SNAP at $599 or even $649 would make me jump all over it. But at $849, I may as well keep going up to $1199 & get the KICKR.

This is exactly what I was thinking when I saw the new SNAP

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The pricing does seem to be somewhat off target. DCR alluded to as much in his initial write up. Sure it's cheaper, but still not as cheap as the BKOOL and some of the Tacx offerings for smart trainers.

Wahoo's defense I imagine is that they have the largest compatible software library and that ought to be worth a premium. That is certainly true to a point, but I think I still would rather just wait until some sort of big sale to grab to KICKR instead of buying a snap. I think I got my KICKR at or right around the snap MSRP through a performance bike black Friday sale a year or two back.

Am I right in thinking I don't need this if I have a PM on me bike and a normal trainer?

If yes, seems better to put the cash into a bike PM and use that everywhere.. ?

Cool if folks wanna splash the cash but having both for me would just start a PM data validity argument.. which I could do without..

(Rollers and towell.... )

I never understand why some just go nuts about wires. My trainers have wires, they are routed, and I never touch anything.

Same thing on my computers around my house and TV's. All connected with hard wiring.

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So in summary with my rollers a towel and a piece of tape with a session written on it i have this shit covered ;).. gottit

Kidding, mostly.. I use a CycleOps fluid 2 and a PM.. sessions are whatever i design them to be.. use the PM to gauge etc.. and then of course the rollers...

That said i'll always try and ride outdoors.. days of dying on the turbo are long in the past...

haha I also have young kids.. the sessions are the escape to maintain a grip on normality... it's not really working ;)

I feel like now would be a good time to quote all of your posts about wireless shifting. Hypocrite much???

Wireless shifting = no wires/cables that create drag. This is not a factor on a trainer.