He's genuinely contrite and genuinely doesn't want to pay $100million back to the Federal Government.

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All of these threads go the same way so why start one?

I have a problem with him having to pay this back...did the Federal govt benefit from having him as a spokesman? He probably doesn't have the money.

Is Hamilton still in line to get a chunk of the money? If so, I have a serious problem with him having to pay this back too. Couldn't really care less what happens to Lance - even if he lost this and was bankrupted, he still has enough earning potential to live out a pretty comfortable life, and having it all taken away from him and having to start again might even do him some good.

Why should he have to pay anything back?

YOu can't tell me his sponsors didn't know he was doping, they all benefited HUGELY from LA

unless Lance is ready to talk Trek, Oakley, Nike, Och, Carmichael, Weisel, USAC, USATF, UCI, etc., then no, he's not coming clean.

Doping has nothing to do with it, red herring.

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I agree 100% with eric. unless he's naming names from top/down and left-to-right he only playing the media card to his benefit as he's always done.

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we already know all of those names, who cares?

he came clean on oprah, the whole story is out via other sources, everyone is an asshole. the old lance fans now post nothing except angry bullshit and can't even be bothered to admit how stupid they were.

such is life

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I was wondering if we can merge this thread, and the one about the guy who got DQ'd for crossing the IM finish line with family. The responses should all be interchangeable anyway!

i think there's a benefit to this or, if not to this, take-3, or take-4, of the lance confession (this one is take-2, after oprah). at some point i think lance will stop using the zeitgeist defense and admit that cheating is wrong period. i think it's important because there are still so many who join in with him in the zeitgeist defense. when the leader of that movement disavows that defense, then i think we'll take another step forward.

whether or not we're going to see a full-throated admission that all cheating is always wrong in this interview i can't say.

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He provided them with a marketing tool at the time he was paid for that service. If Lance has to repay his sponsors, then the sponsors need to issue a refund to their customers for false advertising. There would need ot be some pretty clear contract language, and even then there arguments that there was a culture of cheating in the sport long before he got there... he just became the best at it.

Not really defending him, but it sets a dangerous precedent in the legal world if he's forced to repay I think. Think about consumer products. So if I buy a product and the celebrity that endorses if turns out to be a fraud, can I get a refund, even if the product itself performs as advertised?

I bought my Trek SC7.5 before the LA scandal came out. I want some money back!!!!

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only a moron would believe Armstrong didn't have an self-serving angle to anything he does

The lawsuit isn't about all his sponsors, just USPS. So what trek may or may not have gained from the relationship is immaterial to this discussion.

Further, whether or not USPS benefited during the relationship is also not the point. The point is that Tailwind / Weisel / LA / et al fraudulently presented their services. They claimed they were clean and signed documents to that effect. If you fraudulently enter into a contract, you can expect to be sued as a result.

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Every time you see an old USPS jersey, you think of the Armstrong Lie. You don't think that hurts the USPS brand? 100 million seems a fair price for damages.

I would love to do a mind meld on folks like this and try to understand why not just being 100% honest does not seem to happen. I am not judging if what he and ALL the others did is right or wrong. BUT, why does he seem to be willing to go down by himself on the ship? Why not just put it all on the table? Seems his "friends" have stabbed him in the back already.

So, any idea why he keeps holding back?

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I for one haven't even checked my mail since his confession.....

 
At what take (3,4, 9...) will he admit doping in 2009 ?
And since he claims the peloton was clean then he cannot use that Zeitgeist defense.

I don't think of him, certainly not in relation to USPS, and if I see a USPS jersey I still don't think of him.

Heck I just dropped off some parts that came on my circa 2003 Trek off at the post office..

All of these threads go the same way so why start one?


Agreed - they tend to go sideways and over the cliff quickly.

Not defending LA, but just making an interesting observation regarding the coverage of the Tour de France. Almost every media outlet covering the race seemed to have eliminated Armstrong's name and image from their coverage. With the main TV coverage - I watched almost every stage, and I did not hear Phil or Paul mention his name ounce! There were no pictures of video of Armstrong in any historical montages of the past. None! It's like a whole decade of Tour de France racing was just forgotten.

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understand why not just being 100% honest does not seem to happen

100% honesty is that doping was in fact rampant among their competitors.
The dope works. To play the game... they needed to play the game. If you don't cheat you go home... or become a 2nd class domestique.
Since you are cheating anyway, you might as well do it better than the other cheaters.

If you are wondering why he doesn't rat out everyone he knows... well, why would he? How does that help him at all? Did he get a plea bargain offer whereby his slate would be wiped clean if he did?

yeah, that's a solid chunk of change even for folks like Lance ....

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Fair question. I agree, unless he gets something back, but, for me, would just seem to eat at my gut. And how he looks at his kids with a straight face, well,..

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<<< If Lance has to repay his sponsors, then the sponsors need to issue a refund to their customers for false advertising. >>>

Great idea - USPS can give us all a rebate for all of the overpriced stamps and service they screw us for.....

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