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Hill work from Dave Scott
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hPxqD5eQhY

Love it. I do hill work every time I run. I tell folks if you are not doing hills in your runs, well, ..

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Cool! What kind of results do you get? What are your 5k or marathon PRs?
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Well what? What do you tell folks?
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [mountaindood] [ In reply to ]
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mountaindood wrote:
Cool! What kind of results do you get? What are your 5k or marathon PRs?

57 years old.

Pushing grandkids double stroller in 5K, a little under 20

1:24 half marathon.

All sub 40's in my 10K's in my olympic tri races last season.

Ran a 3:52 marathon at IMLT passing 400 on the run

I will keep running hills

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for sharing. This brings up a question I was going to post. What kind of intensity do you aim for when doing hills?

I'm not talking about an isolated Hill Repeat-type workout. More like...

Let's say you're doing a 30 minute tempo run at a 6:30 pace and decide to run a road that is hilly: do you let your pace slide (perhaps to 7:15 to compensate) or do you attempt to hold your 6:30 and risk overdoing it week after week?



Likewise if you're doing a 12 mile "long run" at an easy pace and add hills: do you slow yourself down to keep your RPE "easy" or do you push through the hills, thereby turning your easy long run into a moderate/hard long run?

I have access to plenty of hills but I tend to try and hold my pace when doing them and am wondering if that's what has caused my overtraining in the past.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [Kentucky Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Kentucky Mac wrote:
Thanks for sharing. This brings up a question I was going to post. What kind of intensity do you aim for when doing hills?

I'm not talking about an isolated Hill Repeat-type workout. More like...

Let's say you're doing a 30 minute tempo run at a 6:30 pace and decide to run a road that is hilly: do you let your pace slide (perhaps to 7:15 to compensate) or do you attempt to hold your 6:30 and risk overdoing it week after week?



Likewise if you're doing a 12 mile "long run" at an easy pace and add hills: do you slow yourself down to keep your RPE "easy" or do you push through the hills, thereby turning your easy long run into a moderate/hard long run?

I have access to plenty of hills but I tend to try and hold my pace when doing them and am wondering if that's what has caused my overtraining in the past.

As I have posted many times, for most of us normal folks, intensity stuff can get folks hurt. So I do all my run training at a LSD pace. And my 1000 feet of hill climbing per 9.4 mile loops
is all just get up it nice and slow.

I have known a few folks who tried to run hills with intensity stuff and they hurt themselves.

So just use good judgment. Be able to train the next day. No reason to make hills something you have to worry about time. I know when I race in the hills, I just try to get up them nice and
steady. And since I see so many that walk hills, my steady is sure much faster than their walking.

My hill takes me 4 minutes to climb, going up to maybe 13% grade.

I love that hill picture.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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I'm perplexed as to how calf strength equates to running footstrike volume.

Almost no one actually hits with a forefoot strike, a heel to mid-foot strike would result in a plantar flexing moment requiring dorsi-flexor action to control the guidance of the foot to the ground.
In a true midfoot strike, there's no movement about the ankle required for full foot strike. Therefore no calf activity to quiet the strike.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [Kentucky Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Kentucky Mac wrote:
Thanks for sharing. This brings up a question I was going to post. What kind of intensity do you aim for when doing hills?

I'm not talking about an isolated Hill Repeat-type workout. More like...

Let's say you're doing a 30 minute tempo run at a 6:30 pace and decide to run a road that is hilly: do you let your pace slide (perhaps to 7:15 to compensate) or do you attempt to hold your 6:30 and risk overdoing it week after week?



Likewise if you're doing a 12 mile "long run" at an easy pace and add hills: do you slow yourself down to keep your RPE "easy" or do you push through the hills, thereby turning your easy long run into a moderate/hard long run?

I have access to plenty of hills but I tend to try and hold my pace when doing them and am wondering if that's what has caused my overtraining in the past.

I remember years ago, Peter Reid saying he used to walk up hills regularly to keep in the right zone.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [tlc13] [ In reply to ]
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So it sounds like it's best to keep tempo and speed work on level ground....and aim to do easy running on hills if possible, not trying to hold a particular pace. I only do one speed workout and one tempo workout per week; the other 5 days are easy running.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [Kentucky Mac] [ In reply to ]
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Kentucky Mac wrote:
So it sounds like it's best to keep tempo and speed work on level ground....and aim to do easy running on hills if possible, not trying to hold a particular pace. I only do one speed workout and one tempo workout per week; the other 5 days are easy running.

Makes sense to me. My "running" up my hill is not that much faster than walking. But from everything I have ever read, hills are the best way to build strength.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for the advice. Not sure where that is in the picture, but it is very reminiscent of Central KY.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Re the Hills and intensity, i concur re the elevated injury line..

I signed up for a trail running series just for a laugh (Nov through March), and that opened my eyes to what real hill work is... ripped up calves and mashed quads, legs easily as rooted after 12k race as after IM....

gradients of 30 degree's were common up and down.. some lasting almost 3kms (walking up that at threshold for 20 mins was ridiculous to have such high effort for such low speed.. )

That said i am absolutely running stronger for it.. not inherently faster yet, but its very early in the 2015 program...
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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If Dave says to run hills then you run hills. I agree with both you and Dave.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [shadwell] [ In reply to ]
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shadwell wrote:
Re the Hills and intensity, i concur re the elevated injury line..

I signed up for a trail running series just for a laugh (Nov through March), and that opened my eyes to what real hill work is... ripped up calves and mashed quads, legs easily as rooted after 12k race as after IM....

gradients of 30 degree's were common up and down.. some lasting almost 3kms (walking up that at threshold for 20 mins was ridiculous to have such high effort for such low speed.. )

That said i am absolutely running stronger for it.. not inherently faster yet, but its very early in the 2015 program...

Just stick at it. The trick is get stronger but DO NOT GET hurt! I believe running faster happens, at least it has seemed for me, to be able to train running, for years, 12 months a year, without getting hurt!
Otherwise you have to start over again.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Oh I'm stickin at it alright..

its a funny opposite to the usual longer slower road running (hilly or otherwise).. racing off road on seriously tough courses really does rip you up tho.... still 3-4 days after the DOM's has about passed and its back on plan.. its hellish at the time, but it is a sickning sort of fun..

Cheers
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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h2ofun wrote:
mountaindood wrote:
Cool! What kind of results do you get? What are your 5k or marathon PRs?


57 years old.

Pushing grandkids double stroller in 5K, a little under 20

1:24 half marathon.

All sub 40's in my 10K's in my olympic tri races last season.

Ran a 3:52 marathon at IMLT passing 400 on the run

I will keep running hills

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How many seconds over 40 minutes still counts as sub 40?
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [rhayden] [ In reply to ]
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Bet you don't weigh 210lb :)
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Dave:

Thanks for posting. What kind of weekly mileage do you put in running and how many actual runs? At 60 I really appreciate your accomplishments.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [lutzman] [ In reply to ]
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Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!



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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [teekona] [ In reply to ]
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teekona wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!

Don't forget that every workout is LSD, race lots, train every day, stay at race weight every day and have 3 velotrons that you set at 193w everyday.

And the biggest ones, be retired, and don't even think about tris until your kids are 10.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [h2ofun] [ In reply to ]
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Dam that is impressive!

Kudos to you
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Jctriguy wrote:
teekona wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!


Don't forget that every workout is LSD, race lots, train every day, stay at race weight every day and have 3 velotrons that you set at 193w everyday.

And the biggest ones, be retired, and don't even think about tris until your kids are 10.

You also HAVE to go to bed at 6pm everyday, no matter what.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [teekona] [ In reply to ]
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teekona wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!

Wow, Teekona....dishing a lot of snark today. Sorry for insulting you with an honest question. I'm just trying to fight my way back after crashing last year at Boise. I broke my shoulder, clavicle and seven ribs and the return to training intensity has just been really hard at 60. With your history I kind of thought you of all people would appreciate the challenges of a comeback. Whatever. Good luck to you.
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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [Jctriguy] [ In reply to ]
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Jctriguy wrote:
teekona wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!

Don't forget that every workout is LSD, race lots, train every day, stay at race weight every day and have 3 velotrons that you set at 193w everyday.

And the biggest ones, be retired, and don't even think about tris until your kids are 10.

Also, you are not allowed to consume alcohol.

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Re: Hill work from Dave Scott [colinlaughery] [ In reply to ]
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colinlaughery wrote:
Jctriguy wrote:
teekona wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! I can answer that! He does 3 90 minute runs a week and also a 10 minute brick run after his daily 90 minute trainer session, wherein he uses Powercranks. Also- he will let his results speak for themselves. Anyone who does different training than what he does is risking getting hurt.

Geez, you must be new around here!


Don't forget that every workout is LSD, race lots, train every day, stay at race weight every day and have 3 velotrons that you set at 193w everyday.

And the biggest ones, be retired, and don't even think about tris until your kids are 10.


Also, you are not allowed to consume alcohol.

It's easy to poke fun..but I don't see anything "wrong" with the workout advice listed above. Are there other ways to train, sure. But to Dave's point, he's not 30 yrs old and things don't work like they used to.

My guess is that Dave spends more time training than 75-80% of the folks that post here do..

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