That explains it! Dumbass lawyer-type, thinks he knows everything about everything.

I almost hate to say this, but it needs to be said:
If you are riding a road bike at AmZof, you are a f'n moron.

The ONLY reason our race 2 years ago was even close, was because of all the free speed I got from my bike, vs yours.
Check the bike splits, mine were faster.

Did you use a road bike at Savageman? If you did, you really are a dumbass. And that course has much harder climbing, and more technical descending, than AmZof - by a wide margin.

I'm sorry to hear that a "professional" is such a poor bike handler that he can't ride a tri bike on anything but a plain vanilla bike course.
Thanks for reinforcing that stereotype.

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Are you riding one of your evil racing things from your website?

The TT BIKE :
Razor thin, insanely aero and light as hell. This bike was just ridden by Test Pilot Grant Aidner to a PR and by me to a top 10 finish among the pro men at Ironman Lake Placid. Stiff, responsive and sick on the downhills, as well as a climbers dream TT bike, this combo is legit.

If I am MIA check the pavilion first, may not make it past T2...

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I got nothing.

Oh, snap!

I guess you didn't see the disclaimer** (he IS a law school grad after all)

** unless there are any turns on the descents, because they make me soil myself, and I ride a road bike instead.

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float , hammer , and jog

As a matter of science a road bike is lighter than a tri bike of the same level and where the weight is also much faster downhill.

The Am Zof loop has almost no flats. No place to justify the weight penalty for aero gains. Also most areo gains aren't event the bike but the rider's body. (body, wheels and helmet make up 85-90 percent of drag, the frame is 5-10 percent).

You calling me names doesn't change the science.

I would suggest a TT bike if ones road bike isn't a good (for understandable reasons a lot of triathletes one one good bike and make it a TT one and then spend less on a road bike for training.) but besides that there is no science in a TT bike on tht course.

As for Savageman no bike can make the body go fast when the legs are dead. I was on my TT and if I did it again would use a road bike for sure.

IMLP which is what the quote from my site mentioned is a good TT bike course but Am Zof and SM smash IMLP in terms of vertical.

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Ouch! Is that really fair - you, out of everyone, should know how hard it is to race when you're RD.
I did finish Powerman Zofingen twice, but only AmZof once - I guess we're twice as hard.

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason

I've only raced twice while also acting as RD way back when I first started YJR. It's easy, you just have to make sure to win so you are back before every one else. That might have been your problem :)

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Are you saying that you get the same body position on your road bike with the clip-ons that you do on your TT bike?

John, John, John...

You are so wrong, in so many ways, it's scary.
But that's ok, it only negatively impacts your own results, so no harm, no foul. You are only embarrassing yourself.

Keep using the road bike. All the other racers thank you for that free time you're giving them.

Myself included. Thanks, bro.
We had an epic race, due only to your bike equipment choices vs mine. So that was fun.

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float , hammer , and jog

after last year's race, had to take the head tube apart to get all the water out

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"if you chose it, it's not really pain"

No, I've won Yellowjacket races before...

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason

Does anyone other than Murphy'sLaw or John Hirsch have an opinion on TT vs. Road?
ML: was John's assessment of what to wear accurate?

Even on this course, I am at least 5min faster on my TT vs road bike

i see you're doing the short course...go with triathlon gear for your race wear.

Absolutely TT. No question.

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason

Its a duathlon which more resembles a triathlon than a draft legal bike race so please ride a road bike if you are in the M40-44 age group in the SC.

John Hirsch approved road bike and banana hammock.
For you youngsters who don't recognize Kenny Souza, this is duathlon right here.

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason

TT

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"if you chose it, it's not really pain"

Put it like this, once you top Minnewaska, you have about 13 miles of non-technical mostly downhill, much of it false flat, until the final climb up to the reserve. There is one corner (turn from 44 onto granite road) I can think of where you make a sharp right turn when you may want to be out of the aerobars. Not only am I using a TT bike, but a wheelcover as well.

Hopefully, John is on strava so we can take a look at our relative speeds on different segments of the course after the race.

TT! The climbs are long but not out-of-the-saddle steep. I've climbed comfortably at AmZof on the aero bars and sit up just for a change of pace (I'm doing LC) from time to time.

The benefit of a TT rig is on the long descents. Except for a few notable corners (maybe just one) and the occasional right turn at intersections where you might want to scrub some speed just prior, the descents can be done in aero position so I think you'd loose lots of time on a road bike.

Victor

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Additionally, the Mohonk descent (once past that nasty decreasing-radius L turn at the top) is all aerobars, all the time.
I did it yesterday and didn't touch the brakes from the top once until I could see the stop sign at the bottom.
Top speed - 50 mph, w no aero goodies. Just huevos.

Butterville road - aerobars almost the whole way.
Rt 299 - mix of aero descents and rollers.

Gunks steel bridge to Minne - mix of aero descents and stair-stepped climbing.

But what do I know?
I've only done LC x4, F1 x2, and at least a dozen plus training laps of the AmZof bike course.
YMMV.

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float , hammer , and jog

For Bakker - real duathletes don't wear compression socks.

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason

I'm not a real duathlete - I'm a 50 year old <sic> limp-wristed albino.

Believe me, you want as much of me covered by fabric as possible.

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float , hammer , and jog

Well, at least you're not fat.

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2015 American Zofingen Du is May 17.
R.I.P. Chris Gleason