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Re: Israel [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella's boy's have run our country into the ground.

Nutella's boy can't handle more than 3-4 public appearances a week these days before flying to the beach for a recharge.

And he thinks it's appropriate that we "ask all these questions" about Israel is going to "run gaza" and that this is actually the impetus behind pausing/withholding weapons from them after supporting them for 7 months. When we all, including Nutella, know this is just about pandering to the Hamas loving "fringe" (his term) in MN and MI.

they can't even pander correctly. Usually when you give away free money for college loans or pause shipment of weapons in order to pander to several bases of your support, it actually leads to more support from those bases.
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Re: Israel [Tylertri] [ In reply to ]
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A US Army combat surgeon weighs in:

https://www.npr.org/...l-hospital-interview

Dr. Adam Hamawy, a U.S. doctor and former U.S. Army combat surgeon who is currently in Gaza, says he has "never in my career witnessed the level of atrocities and targeting of my medical colleagues as I have in Gaza."

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Re: Israel [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
windywave wrote:
if you have a shred of intellectual capacity hopefully you'll understand a major point.


The major point today, not 50 years ago, is how is Israel going to into Rafa without causing massive civilian casualties? What plans to they have in place to handle the thousands of refugees? What plans do the have to govern Gaza after all this?

These are perfectly reasonable concerns. Raising them does not mean you are "Pro-Hamas", hate Israel, or are an antisemite. Even the Defense Minister is concerned about Bibi's lack of a plan.

Gallant to Netanyahu: You must publicly reject Israeli civil or military governance of Gaza after Hamas; I won't allow it | The Times of Israel

I don't quite understand either Netanyahu nor Gallant's always saying Israel will have no civil or military role in Gaza after the war.

That seems like la-la land. There's no way Israel gives up oversight of aid flowing into the country. No way they give up the right to monitor who gets to either leave or enter Gaza. As in the aid coming through the U.S.-installed dock. That's being inspected by Israel. There's almost no way the IDF just walks away and entirely and doesn't continue to monitor for a resurgence of militants.

And doing *any* of that requires coordinating with whatever governing body is in place. A.k.a, they have a role.

Also very unlikely that Israel accepts just any post-Hamas governance. They're going to want the right to refuse governance they don't like. That is also having a role.
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Re: Israel [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
Nutella wrote:
windywave wrote:
if you have a shred of intellectual capacity hopefully you'll understand a major point.


The major point today, not 50 years ago, is how is Israel going to into Rafa without causing massive civilian casualties? What plans to they have in place to handle the thousands of refugees? What plans do the have to govern Gaza after all this?

These are perfectly reasonable concerns. Raising them does not mean you are "Pro-Hamas", hate Israel, or are an antisemite. Even the Defense Minister is concerned about Bibi's lack of a plan.

Gallant to Netanyahu: You must publicly reject Israeli civil or military governance of Gaza after Hamas; I won't allow it | The Times of Israel


I don't quite understand either Netanyahu nor Gallant's always saying Israel will have no civil or military role in Gaza after the war.

That seems like la-la land. There's no way Israel gives up oversight of aid flowing into the country. No way they give up the right to monitor who gets to either leave or enter Gaza. As in the aid coming through the U.S.-installed dock. That's being inspected by Israel. There's almost no way the IDF just walks away and entirely and doesn't continue to monitor for a resurgence of militants.

And doing *any* of that requires coordinating with whatever governing body is in place. A.k.a, they have a role.

Also very unlikely that Israel accepts just any post-Hamas governance. They're going to want the right to refuse governance they don't like. That is also having a role.


I don't think they are saying that Israel will have no role. They are saying that for peace there has to be a governing alternative to Hamas in Gaza. They are correct.

For years Bibi, and the Israeli right, propped up Hamas because he figured that their incompetent, and corrupt, government would keep Gaza weak and prevent a two-state solution. It is clear that strategy has failed but Bibi is making no effort to change it, in fact he is making it worse by not making an effort to support a governing alternative.
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Re: Israel [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Biden, Blinken, Gallent, and millions of Israelis have been saying the same thing. Bibi has no plan. Now a member of his war cabinet, centrist Benny Gantz has threaten to quit.

Israel’s Wartime Government Frays as Frustration with Netanyahu Grows - The New York Times (nytimes.com)


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“If you choose the path of zealots, dragging the country into the abyss, we will be forced to leave the government,” Mr. Gantz said in a televised news conference. “We will turn to the people and build a government that will earn the people’s trust.”

Bibi's response is similar to Windy's, infer that Gantz and Gallent are aiding Hamas.

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Re: Israel [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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The idiocracy here equate any dissent as either being a Hamas supporter or not understanding the history with their own depth and insight or both.....
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Re: Israel [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.bbc.com/...rticles/cv22311qx21o

Well that could be an interesting update
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Re: Israel [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22311qx21o

Well that could be an interesting update

I hope he died a slow, painful, death but I doubt it will change much.
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