Nutella's boy's have run our country into the ground.

Nutella's boy can't handle more than 3-4 public appearances a week these days before flying to the beach for a recharge.

And he thinks it's appropriate that we "ask all these questions" about Israel is going to "run gaza" and that this is actually the impetus behind pausing/withholding weapons from them after supporting them for 7 months. When we all, including Nutella, know this is just about pandering to the Hamas loving "fringe" (his term) in MN and MI.

they can't even pander correctly. Usually when you give away free money for college loans or pause shipment of weapons in order to pander to several bases of your support, it actually leads to more support from those bases.

A US Army combat surgeon weighs in:

https://www.npr.org/...l-hospital-interview

Dr. Adam Hamawy, a U.S. doctor and former U.S. Army combat surgeon who is currently in Gaza, says he has "never in my career witnessed the level of atrocities and targeting of my medical colleagues as I have in Gaza."

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I don't quite understand either Netanyahu nor Gallant's always saying Israel will have no civil or military role in Gaza after the war.

That seems like la-la land. There's no way Israel gives up oversight of aid flowing into the country. No way they give up the right to monitor who gets to either leave or enter Gaza. As in the aid coming through the U.S.-installed dock. That's being inspected by Israel. There's almost no way the IDF just walks away and entirely and doesn't continue to monitor for a resurgence of militants.

And doing *any* of that requires coordinating with whatever governing body is in place. A.k.a, they have a role.

Also very unlikely that Israel accepts just any post-Hamas governance. They're going to want the right to refuse governance they don't like. That is also having a role.

I don't think they are saying that Israel will have no role. They are saying that for peace there has to be a governing alternative to Hamas in Gaza. They are correct.

For years Bibi, and the Israeli right, propped up Hamas because he figured that their incompetent, and corrupt, government would keep Gaza weak and prevent a two-state solution. It is clear that strategy has failed but Bibi is making no effort to change it, in fact he is making it worse by not making an effort to support a governing alternative.

Biden, Blinken, Gallent, and millions of Israelis have been saying the same thing. Bibi has no plan. Now a member of his war cabinet, centrist Benny Gantz has threaten to quit.

Israel’s Wartime Government Frays as Frustration with Netanyahu Grows - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Quote:

“If you choose the path of zealots, dragging the country into the abyss, we will be forced to leave the government,” Mr. Gantz said in a televised news conference. “We will turn to the people and build a government that will earn the people’s trust.”

Bibi's response is similar to Windy's, infer that Gantz and Gallent are aiding Hamas.

The idiocracy here equate any dissent as either being a Hamas supporter or not understanding the history with their own depth and insight or both.....

https://www.bbc.com/...rticles/cv22311qx21o

Well that could be an interesting update

I hope he died a slow, painful, death but I doubt it will change much.

Just to get this out there before I post the link; its not a real court, they're anti-semites, its jew hatred - just trying to help windy and chad out before they stroke out reading it

ICC Arrest Warrants for Netanyahu and Hamas

The US never ratified the treaty creating the "court" for a reason.

I don't know about slow but death by helicopter crash in a rocky terrain is a pretty rough way to go.

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The ICC going after Gallant is interesting. Will it push him closer to Netanyahu or further away?

Have you read the applications? Which parts do you disagree with?
Statement of ICC Prosecutor Karim A.A. Khan KC: Applications for arrest warrants in the situation in the State of Palestine | International Criminal Court (icc-cpi.int)

I was in israel 2 years ago for my son’s bar mitzvah. The tension there could be felt interestingly it was no Muslims to Jews or vice versa. It was the right wing extremist and culture laws they had passed or influenced and how they impacted secular citizens and businesses. We spent the most time in Jerusalem and after the first day I was ready to get out. As a reform Jewish household it became clear that reform isn’t a significant sect in Israel in terms of polical influence. Orthodox and its rabbinic leadership has held the real power. As ultra orthodox with their taliban like views of the world grow as a population cohort they will become the people in charge. Both have a certain disdain for reform because it gives their children an out that lets them still be religious Jews.

I left with a jaded view of religion I hadn’t felt since college. There will never be peace there. In fact if demographics is destiny, israel could very well be like Iran in 30 years. I see their move towards ultra orthodox extremists resulting in ally alienation and a religious welfare society dependent on less religious people to fund and fight their wars. Thst isn’t sustainable and will create a massive economic and academic drain.

Biden:
The ICC prosecutor’s application for arrest warrants against Israeli leaders is outrageous.

Quote Message: And let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas.

And let me be clear: whatever this prosecutor might imply, there is no equivalence — none — between Israel and Hamas.

Quote Message: We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security."

We will always stand with Israel against threats to its security."


Blinken: Secretary of State Antony Blinken has also issued a statement in the last few minutes, in which he says the US "fundamentally rejects" the ICC's announcement, as well as the chief prosecutor's "equivalence of Israel with Hamas".

"It is shameful," he says. "Moreover, the United States has been clear since well before the current conflict that that ICC has no jurisdiction over this matter."

Very true. It is deeply disturbing how a segment of Israeli society has so much control over the country. They are also making babies much faster than any other group, so their size and influence continues to grow.

Your statement, "There will never be peace there" is what I tend to believe based upon reading and conversations with folks who know the area. Your statement reaffirms my belief. So if there is never to be peace there, what is the solution to all the current suffering and death?

If Bibi is somehow removed and centrist leader takes over, there still won't be any peace or a two state solution based it appears on your understanding of the area ( that you have personal knowledge of) and what many others say as well.

I can't see any solution other than them fighting it out until Hamas is gone of neurtered and then hopefully a ruling class comes in to take their place and don't want to constantly launch rockets at Israel and wont mind the Israeli settlements and further encroachment in the West bank and Gaza.

I'm sure no one minding an expansion of settlements is realistic.......FFS, you just can't even believe the shit you write right?

So how do you see it going? Two groups of people that want to kill each other and both want to live on and control the same plot of dirt. They aren't' creating any more dirt so someone has to give. Or, like most think, it will be continuous violence forever, and you get what is happening right now. I guess you could have both sides agree to stop having babies and only allow so many humans to occupy the territory for each group. But we know that is silly.

Right by might is the only way this will be solved and that is what Bibi is currently doing unfortunately and its very sad and terrible for all involved. But you bristle at suggestions one side my just learn to live with less land than the other side.

If one side doesn't agree to give up some territory, it will never end.

ICC might have to settle for indicting Trump for something. This will satisfy the Hamas loving libs as well as the above quoted libs.

ICC seems legit, right up there with UN, IOC and Ukranian "democracy"

This isn't about the settlements, or even their expansion, or one side living with more or less, it's the fact that one is an occupying state in all but name

The violence will never stop whilst it continues to be the case. Israel as a matter of policy hasn't supported a 2 state solution and the current government and it's members vociferously oppose it.

The current government actively supported Hamas and directed funds whilst making the argument they could not advance peace whilst a terrorist group was in charge.

It doesn't matter how I'd like it to resolve, what is a straight up fact is that with no prospect of change, Israel will continue to be the target of terrorists and they will not be able to eradicate them.

The thing, at a minimum that's needed is a complete change of government / leadership on both sides and the marginalisation of the fruit loops who've been and are in charge on both sides.

Settlements are complex series of issues under a large banner. While there I visited a “settlement” Tzur Hadassa which was basically a neighborhood suburb of Jerusalem. It is adjacent to Palestinians territory and inhabited by a cross section of middle to middle upper class society originating in the 50’s. We can debate whether those should exist or not but that’s not the issue besides lines we’re fuzzy back the . What is the issue is claiming a plot of land in Palestinian occupied territory justified bu a book written multiple millennia ago with the intent on repopulating all of Israel under a single banner, not recognizing the various levels of Israeli and Palestinian authority.

The most consequential settlements can be found in “C” areas which are supposed to be under Palestinian control but failing to demolish existing settlements and the expansion of existing or creation of new ones led to conditions is the Oslo accords not being realized. Therefore Israel administers governs and maintains order there. Area C is the largest portion of West Bank territory that was to go to Palestinians from the Oslo accord.

I really feel when all is said and done in a generation we’ll look back at this like we do Kosovo. Evil people on both sides will I g to commit atrocities it feels
Justified in doing.

I think you might have filled out the bingo card of FoxNews talking points. Your handlers will be pleased.

These are the kind of settlements I have an issue with

I met the Israeli settlers Biden placed sanctions on. They’re bad – but part of a rotten system | Zak Witus | The Guardian

solid contribution where no one was looking for one as always, thanks