I think I saw the same thing -- someone ran pretty quick in Hoka's. Won't say the time in case that's the right one

Does it even matter? Fast people will be fast, no matter what shoes.

Fastest marathon bare foot is sub 2:20…

2:15:16 to be exact. 2:45 for a female

It would be nice to see someone try and break those records, all the latest records are thanks to carbon era. the 2:45 seems within more reach

you think it's just shoes???

Pre carbon fiber records are basically the record has come down under 3 min in ten years. you think there isn't more to it like training ( drugs), course pacing, etc.

This years Boston winner was 4 min slower with carbon fiber then the record without???

You are so obsessed with carbon shoes it's odd. they do not make people that much faster, they do make sloppy feel less discomfort. More of the benefit is less soreness to keep the training load high like swimming with a wetsuit vs swimming without.

you think it's just shoes???

Pre carbon fiber records are basically the record has come down under 3 min in ten years. you think there isn't more to it like training ( drugs), course pacing, etc.

This years Boston winner was 4 min slower with carbon fiber then the record without???

You are so obsessed with carbon shoes it's odd. they do not make people that much faster, they do make sloppy feel less discomfort. More of the benefit is less soreness to keep the training load high like swimming with a wetsuit vs swimming without.

Does it even matter? Fast people will be fast, no matter what shoes.

Fastest marathon bare foot is sub 2:20…

Go out and do a TT in supershoes v the very best non-plated shoes. It's an order of magnitude difference nearly equivalent with aerobars, wetsuits, disc wheels.

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You are so obsessed with carbon shoes it's odd.

Agreed. The shoes have made a HUGE difference and it's pretty well known. To think otherwise is unimaginable.

They do and they don’t . Not as much as you think for speed but for recovery and tissue damage and maintaining timing errors when fatigued.

Lange 2017 kona 2:39, super shoes 2022 kona 2:41 Lange on a flat course dead legs from the bike 2:32 nice.

I had to wear 2015 runners last year at Oceanside due to a blister from my Nike zoom x 2 , ran faster well frozen then my other half marathons that year , 3 and 4 min faster . Too many factors of course to compare but I wasn’t all of sudden unable to run well and lost control of my legs and had no speed.

I will choose them over a normal if I have the option fyi.

Carbon shoes obviously help a great deal, especially with something underrated like recovery. I do think the coverage they get is a bit overblown. In perfect conditions, elite marathoners seem to be getting back 60-90s over 26.2 miles. You rarely get perfect conditions & athletes aren't always perfect with pacing. It's not just as simple as put shoes on & run a ton faster. There's a modest boost in most cases. Some people aren't huge responders as well.

60-90s seems a bit too low for me. If it’s true, then possibly because getting faster at those speeds is a log curve effort. I’ve tested Alphaflys against Air Zoom 5 and Invincible 1. The gaps to Alphaflys were 7-8s and 17-20s, respectively. This is for target IM marathon race pace of 5min/km.

You are so obsessed with carbon shoes it's odd. they do not make people that much faster, they do make sloppy feel less discomfort. More of the benefit is less soreness to keep the training load high like swimming with a wetsuit vs swimming without.

They may not be fast for everyone, but they are fast for me. It has been almost fourty years since I won my first race and I have been racing pretty much ever since then. The fastest 5k that I had run the decade before getting carbon shoes was a 17:38 (not bad for a grey haired guy) after getting carbon plated shoes I have been running between 16:58 -17:13. That is 5-8 sec/km. Over 42km of a marathon that is a 3:30 - 5:36 in time savings. How much do you think people pay for aero bike components that can save them that type of time? Free speed is free speed. I am not sure if I get the same time saving at other distances, but my PR in the half marathon, improved by 6 minutes after I got carbon shoes and my marathon PR improved by more than twice that. So…Carbon shoes aren’t that much faster for some people, but for me it took a decade of dedicated training to cut 30 seconds of my 5k time and the carbon shoes got me more than that with no effort on my part at all. If you don’t think that their are pro’s seeing similar improvements you are fooling yourself.

They may not be fast for everyone, but they are fast for me. It has been almost fourty years since I won my first race and I have been racing pretty much ever since then. The fastest 5k that I had run the decade before getting carbon shoes was a 17:38 (not bad for a grey haired guy) after getting carbon plated shoes I have been running between 16:58 -17:13. That is 5-8 sec/km. Over 42km of a marathon that is a 3:30 - 5:36 in time savings. How much do you think people pay for aero bike components that can save them that type of time? Free speed is free speed. I am not sure if I get the same time saving at other distances, but my PR in the half marathon, improved by 6 minutes after I got carbon shoes and my marathon PR improved by more than twice that. So…Carbon shoes aren’t that much faster for some people, but for me it took a decade of dedicated training to cut 30 seconds of my 5k time and the carbon shoes got me more than that with no effort on my part at all. If you don’t think that there are pro’s seeing big gains you are fooling yourself.