Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade

Mar 23, 24 7:47

Post #1 of 19 (1333 views)

In the world of fully-integrated & proprietary cockpits on lots of (basically all) high-end TT frames, I was wondering if there’s still a good go-to choice for those of us looking for a non-proprietary option?

I ride an Argon 18 E-117 which fits really nicely & hasn’t been spared any $$$ in terms of spec or upgrades. However, the missing piece is still the cockpit as I’ve been stuck with an alloy base bar for a long while, fitted with fairly basic clip-on style extensions.

Is there a good option for a well-regarded (& fast) basebar which would be compatible with some of the newer shaped & profiled extensions? Obviously if money were no barrier I’d love to go for something like the Wattshop Anemoi Basebar & extensions but that’d run me a decent chunk of change. I know that with all the newer-style cockpit setups that there’s big savings to be found, so feel like I’m leaving something on the table with my current setup. So would love to hear what others are running & how you’ve found it to be?

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 24 7:53

Post #2 of 19 (1324 views)

TriRig Alpha One comes to mind. They sell their own extensions too, but they are standard size and you could use someone else's if you wanted.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 24 7:56

Post #3 of 19 (1319 views)

Vision Metron TFA is maybe the most cost-effective high-end cockbit? Or TriRig Alpha One. Neither "cheap" by any stretch, except when compared to Wattshop Anemoi.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [trail] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 24 7:58

Post #4 of 19 (1315 views)

I'd also add Zipp Vuka basebar + vuka shift extensions if you want full wireless.

https://www.slowtwitch.com/...ift_AXS_90_7626.html

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 23, 24 12:32

Post #5 of 19 (1225 views)

With a small amount of metalworking any basebar is compatible with any aero bar.

By a 1/4" or thicker plate of 6061 aluminum, cut to a roughly 2x2inch plate. Drill holes where you want the base bar and aero bar to attach. You can nut and bolt them on or take an extra step and tap threads into them for a nicer finished product.

Aluminum, angle grinder, drill, tap set, all in <$100. Them the real fun starts

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 24, 24 1:05

Post #6 of 19 (1139 views)

You could look to pick up something a Profile Design Aeria basebar, or something similar that has adjustable angle and stack risers. Then look at the new Wattshop Minimoi 2 with the profiled 3d spacers that integrate nicely with the arm rests but still keep to a 22.2 pole clamp. Drag2zero do something similar with their .44 extensions.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 24, 24 3:52

Post #7 of 19 (1091 views)

I installed the tri rig alpha one and large arm pads on my Cervelo P3. Before I did I set up a call with Ben at Tri Rid to discuss my plan and get his advice on options, which was very helpful. The cockpit is very adjustable and very comfortable.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [trail] [ In reply to ]

Mar 24, 24 7:49

Post #8 of 19 (1049 views)

This is what I did. I got the Vision TFA base bar and used the stock Vision spacers to mount AeroCoach Ascalon extensions. 100% integrated and very comfortable.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 24, 24 8:19

Post #9 of 19 (1033 views)

aka_finto wrote:

In the world of fully-integrated & proprietary cockpits on lots of (basically all) high-end TT frames, I was wondering if there’s still a good go-to choice for those of us looking for a non-proprietary option?

I ride an Argon 18 E-117 which fits really nicely & hasn’t been spared any $$$ in terms of spec or upgrades. However, the missing piece is still the cockpit as I’ve been stuck with an alloy base bar for a long while, fitted with fairly basic clip-on style extensions.

Is there a good option for a well-regarded (& fast) basebar which would be compatible with some of the newer shaped & profiled extensions? Obviously if money were no barrier I’d love to go for something like the Wattshop Anemoi Basebar & extensions but that’d run me a decent chunk of change. I know that with all the newer-style cockpit setups that there’s big savings to be found, so feel like I’m leaving something on the table with my current setup. So would love to hear what others are running & how you’ve found it to be?

I have a 117 I use a lot for testing. Just adding some PD ASC43 and some nice elbows rests, would go a long way. That is what I did.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [marcag] [ In reply to ]

Mar 24, 24 13:55

Post #10 of 19 (982 views)

Thanks for the suggestions, much appreciated. I will for sure take a look at the Vision TFA as an option. I’m not so interested by TriRig after a negative experience with one of their stems a few years back. I’m currently running the Zipp Vuka Shift extensions but seeing how the new wireless blips don’t require a blipbox I can ditch those and go with something a little more shaped around my forearms.

Can I ask please marcag, given you are using the same frame as I am which basebar do you have fitted? Eyeball wind tunnel suggests that the Pro Missile alloy base bar isn’t the most aero setup out there!

I appreciate this is an open ended question, but if I prioritised either a new base bar or new extensions, is there a preferred choice for performance gain?

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

culpritbicycles

Mar 24, 24 19:22

Post #11 of 19 (914 views)

How urgent will your changes be?

We have our extensions coming out in May finally in stock for CSR+ and we will have other models, hardware all ready by Summer as well as developing a new basebar to work with the Culprit ecosytem.

Target retail will be 1000-1200 range pending on extension models for aerobar kit with risers and cups/extensions.b ut wont be ready til End of summer optimistically.

Joshua

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 24 0:37

Post #12 of 19 (853 views)

RON wheels nowadays also has an "integrated" aerobar, see https://ronwheels.com/...2-aerobar-components. It's about 600€.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [culpritbicycles] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 24 8:51

Post #13 of 19 (784 views)

Not immediately urgent, but keen to have something to train on before some racing coming up in the summer

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 24 14:28

Post #14 of 19 (696 views)

Tririg Alpha One is extremely adjustable and easy to use. It will help you achieve whatever position will make you fastest/most comfortable.

Sent you a DM

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 25, 24 17:05

Post #15 of 19 (664 views)

Do you have a pic of your current setup?

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 24 0:00

Post #16 of 19 (600 views)

aka_finto wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions, much appreciated. I will for sure take a look at the Vision TFA as an option. I’m not so interested by TriRig after a negative experience with one of their stems a few years back. I’m currently running the Zipp Vuka Shift extensions but seeing how the new wireless blips don’t require a blipbox I can ditch those and go with something a little more shaped around my forearms.

Can I ask please marcag, given you are using the same frame as I am which basebar do you have fitted? Eyeball wind tunnel suggests that the Pro Missile alloy base bar isn’t the most aero setup out there!

I appreciate this is an open ended question, but if I prioritised either a new base bar or new extensions, is there a preferred choice for performance gain?

Take a look at the Wattshop Minimoi mk2 about to be released on their website. All the looks of the Anemoi with much less cost. That design allows you to use theirs or your own parts.
It had to be said though that the perceived aerodynamic performance of some of the brands out there could actually make someone’s performance worse so be very careful whose you go with.

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [spudone] [ In reply to ]

Mar 26, 24 6:35

Post #17 of 19 (513 views)

spudone wrote:

TriRig Alpha One comes to mind. They sell their own extensions too, but they are standard size and you could use someone else's if you wanted.

I have one of these I'll sell OP for <<50% under MSRP. DM me so we don't clutter this thread if you're interested. It's never been mounted, and just sat in storage in a padded wheel bag.

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Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [UK Gearmuncher] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 24 2:09

Post #18 of 19 (330 views)

Thanks. The Minimoi is very much on my radar. I just need to get my head around EU import taxes and whether to get anything shipped to a UK-based relative.

Although that doesn't necessarily confirm if I should be thinking about a new basebar to go with the extensions

Re: Non-proprietary cockpit upgrade [aka_finto] [ In reply to ]

Mar 27, 24 3:32

Post #19 of 19 (301 views)

aka_finto wrote:

Thanks. The Minimoi is very much on my radar. I just need to get my head around EU import taxes and whether to get anything shipped to a UK-based relative.

Although that doesn't necessarily confirm if I should be thinking about a new basebar to go with the extensions

One other thing I'd advise that if you're a rider who has their arms tilted up, try and avoid the designs that see huge flat surface areas then presented to the wind by the underside of the armrests. There are a few cheaper designs that are going for the full arm coverage angle (which is great) but then see the arm rest underside huge, flat and can, in some cases, actually provide increased drag (which is bad).

Try and stick to the brands that actually have some aerodynamic credentials, not those that are merely affordable.

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