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Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur)
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Right now Im riding 54/42 with 11-25 (11 speed) cassette
I leave in flat Florida

Im buying a new bike and there’s an option to buy:
1 x 50 with 10-33 (12 speed)

Is this enough for flat Florida?
How is the difference between 50/10 with 54/11??

Hill is not a problem, there’s nothing around.

Tks
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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This is what I use when faced with questions like this:
https://www.bikecalc.com/archives/speeds.html

at 100 rpm 50/10 will have you at 63km/h; 54/11 will have you at 61.8km/h
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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Have been playing around with a 56t 1x and 10/33. Was great till about mile 7 of Mt. Lemmon. RPMs were down to 72. I'm not super light, but I *think* 10/36 would have been perfect.

As stated above the gear calc is a good start point. From there I went up to a 56t front so I would never spin out on a descent. Do you have the means to buy multiple front rings? Does it have the mid cage rear der. That will allow you to go up to 10/36.


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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [Scheherazade] [ In reply to ]
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Scheherazade wrote:
This is what I use when faced with questions like this:
https://www.bikecalc.com/archives/speeds.html

at 100 rpm 50/10 will have you at 63km/h; 54/11 will have you at 61.8km/h

I prefer to factor in crank length using Sheldon’s Gain Ratio: http://yojimg.net/...b_tools/gearcalc.php

To the OP, I’ve done StG 70.3/Snow Canyon multiple times on a 50x33 with no issue.

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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [1fastbeaver] [ In reply to ]
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1fastbeaver wrote:
Have been playing around with a 56t 1x and 10/33. Was great till about mile 7 of Mt. Lemmon. RPMs were down to 72. I'm not super light, but I *think* 10/36 would have been perfect.

As stated above the gear calc is a good start point. From there I went up to a 56t front so I would never spin out on a descent. Do you have the means to buy multiple front rings? Does it have the mid cage rear der. That will allow you to go up to 10/36.

surely you set the KOM on the downhill Lemmon segment with that gearing though?
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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I’m in flatass Florida too. My 1x is 50 and 10-28. Hasn’t been an issue.

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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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I just switched to 1x. I have a 54x(11-32) and does well with my mostly flat rides around 18-21mph avg. Even my shorter hills are okay but slightly lower RPM than I would like. You should be good.

ETA. Use the gear calculator and find out what gear ratio your smallest gear would be. Then ride your current bike and only allow yourself to shift down to the equivalent gear of what you will have on the 1x bike. That will give you an understanding of how it feels.
Last edited by: piratetri: Mar 21, 24 10:35
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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MTRIB wrote:
Right now Im riding 54/42 with 11-25 (11 speed) cassette
I leave in flat Florida

Im buying a new bike and there’s an option to buy:
1 x 50 with 10-33 (12 speed)

Is this enough for flat Florida?
How is the difference between 50/10 with 54/11??

Hill is not a problem, there’s nothing around.

Tks
You will probably not be happy with the 50-10 combo. Get a 52 at least.

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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [DavidNeu] [ In reply to ]
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DavidNeu wrote:
You will probably not be happy with the 50-10 combo. Get a 52 at least.

50-10 is a bigger gear than the 54-11 he has now.

Unless you mean he just won't like the 10 in general because of efficiency reasons.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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First of all let's do some math.

50/33=1.51 42/25=1.68
You have an easier climbing gear on the 1x
50/10=5.0 54/11=4.9
That's close enough I'd call it no difference.

If you're fast enough to be using a 54/11 regularly with no hills around then you're either too fast to be posting questions like this or have a cadence low enough to be worried about that first.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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I use a 50 for hilly races, and a 54 for the rest. I'll swap cassettes too between 14-28, 11-30, and 11-32. I think if I were you in Florida I'd go with a 54, and swap to a bigger cassette for training if needed. 50/10 is already a bigger gear, but sram axs is not going to be the most efficient, certainly in the 10t cog. You'll be set for gears its more about drivetrain marginal gains. It's probably hard to buy a 54 for sram, other than aftermarket.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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50x 10-33 is actually a considerably wider range than 54/42x11-25. Bigger jumps between gears too:
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 19 21 23 25
10 11 12 13 14 15 17 19 21 24 28 33

A 50x 10-30 is the same range and jumps as your 11 speed. A 54x 11-32 has the same range as your current setup, fwiw.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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MTRIB wrote:
Right now Im riding 54/42 with 11-25 (11 speed) cassette
I leave in flat Florida

Im buying a new bike and there’s an option to buy:
1 x 50 with 10-33 (12 speed)

Is this enough for flat Florida?
How is the difference between 50/10 with 54/11??

Hill is not a problem, there’s nothing around.

Tks

50/10=5.0
54/11=4.91
with a simple calculator
1.8% harder

who many times do you spin with 54/11?
in my opinion, 48 would be much more useful for 95% of the triathlete population
you live in Florida but i guess you want to do races outside Florida.
i own the 1x 48 and i also suggest you to have 10/36 cassette
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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I live in Florida as well. On my most recent bike, I originally had a 50T chain ring (2x) with a 10T cog which was fine for gearing. I never needed the small chainring. But I swapped to a 54T (2x) chain ring because of efficiency reasons. Felt that I was giving up too much friction losses with 50T chainring.

I wish I could get my hands on a 1x 54T chainring that SRAM gives the pros. I’ve only seen the 50T available to us commoners.

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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [DavidNeu] [ In reply to ]
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DavidNeu wrote:
MTRIB wrote:
Right now Im riding 54/42 with 11-25 (11 speed) cassette
I leave in flat Florida

Im buying a new bike and there’s an option to buy:
1 x 50 with 10-33 (12 speed)

Is this enough for flat Florida?
How is the difference between 50/10 with 54/11??

Hill is not a problem, there’s nothing around.

Tks
You will probably not be happy with the 50-10 combo. Get a 52 at least.

I just posted two 1x chainrings in the classifieds, 52T, if the OP needs an option…
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [MTRIB] [ In reply to ]
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MTRIB wrote:
Right now Im riding 54/42 with 11-25 (11 speed) cassette
I leave in flat Florida

Im buying a new bike and there’s an option to buy:
1 x 50 with 10-33 (12 speed)

Is this enough for flat Florida?
How is the difference between 50/10 with 54/11??

Hill is not a problem, there’s nothing around.

Tks

Well have a think about how much you currently ride using your small chainring? Like me, probably never. I think the only time the small chainring got used on my old TT was testing out the front derailleur. On a 1x now and I've not missed having 2. Even with hills you could probably get away with a 1x if you had the right cassette.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [zedzded] [ In reply to ]
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zedzded wrote:
MTRIB wrote:
I leave in flat Florida

Well have a think about how much you currently ride using your small chainring? Like me, probably never. I think the only time the small chainring got used on my old TT was testing out the front derailleur. On a 1x now and I've not missed having 2. Even with hills you could probably get away with a 1x if you had the right cassette.
Yup. I also live in flat Florida. The biggest thing I have to climb are bridges over to the barrier islands, which, at 77 years old, I can still do on a 52x25. However for racing, I switch over to a 12-23 rear and choose the front chainring (52,54,56) for the best chainline in my middle gears, depending on the course/wind. Swapping out your front chainring, when there is no front derailleur involved, is a piece of cake - don't limit yourself.
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Re: Question for “one x drivetrain” (no front derailleur) [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
I wish I could get my hands on a 1x 54T chainring that SRAM gives the pros. I’ve only seen the 50T available to us commoners.


I had the same issue, so bought a 54T chainring from Garbaruk to complete my 1x 12 SRAM rebuild. Works nicely.
Last edited by: sst69: Mar 24, 24 14:34
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