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Re: Strava "flagging" [Lurker4] [ In reply to ]
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Lurker4 wrote:
I guess I've gotten on your nerve before as you've noticed and remembered my moniker. Neither yours nor the quality of you comments have ever distinguished themselves enough for me to notice or care. TTFN

More conformation you are a dick.
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Re: Strava "flagging" [DoronG] [ In reply to ]
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cestmoi wrote:
Is Strava no longer addressing "flags" on activities which are clearly in a car or other motorized vehicle? I've "flagged" several rides on segments over the past 6 months and Strava hasn't done anything with them. A couple of these are fairly obvious - 30 mph on an uphill segment that beats out previous leaders by minutes, others are people on e-bikes with photos of their e-bike posted to the activity. I'm guessing Strava just doesn't want to pay for people to review these anymore?


Serious question - why do you care?

I would not have thought it's a difficult question to answer yourself? People like having achievements in their lives. We can't all be Tour level riders. We can't all be global leaders in business. Many will struggle in other aspects of their lives. Climbing (or even topping) a leaderboard can, at the most basic of levels, be a personal pick-me-up that says hey, you've put a lot of work into your riding and here's validation of that effort. That little rush can carry over to other parts of their lives. Failing to climb a leaderboard (or getting pushed down one) due to others not applying similar levels of effort, can feel like one has been robbed.

To people kicking goals elsewhere, it's easy to dismiss those fixated on leaderboards as 'petty'. All power to them for not needing such validation, but they shouldn't scoff at those seeking a fair measurement of 'success'.

To others, perhaps the answer lies in handing responsibility back to the community. A 'flag pool', where qualified users (whatever that might mean) earn the right to vote on submitted flags. Minimum of 'x' votes required for a flag to be passed. There are enough users who care sufficiently to flag, so probably more than enough prepared to log in and review submissions.

The above suggestion is made in jest ... perhaps!
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Re: Strava "flagging" [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Funny just got a strava 7th overall notification for a ride I did that made me think of this thread. Looked at all the people above me and I was shocked to see all of them were from a 500 mile race. Look a little deeper and most or all are on recumbent bikes (one was a tandem).

What's the thought on that? Seems a dick move (hah) to flag them since it was a 500 mile ride that's a ton of work no matter how you look at it, but obviously they are inherently faster.
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Re: Strava "flagging" [cestmoi] [ In reply to ]
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cestmoi wrote:
xeon wrote:
burnthesheep wrote:
The uphill ebike is a death knell for some segments because they have no good way to know for sure versus “car”. They refused years ago requiring a HRM or PM to bag KOMs. I feel that’s a fair barrier to enter the game.

Exactly, they're a technology company and it would make a ton of sense of to be able to flag something on their end without needing user intervention... for instance a ride going up even a slight hill at 30mph or faster pushing 100W or less. It would seem setting things like that to autoflag should make sense... same goes for running dynamics. Someone posts something with a few sub 4 minute miles for a run around town... auto flag.

I digress, flag it on their end for obvious stuff and then send the uploader some communication... hey we flagged your "whatever", please let us know if we got it wrong.


Strava seems to have started some auto-flagging, but it's not accurate. I rode a very routine solo loop but did it harder (faster) than I usually do and Strava removed it from all the segments because "it detected it was drafting behind or in a vehicle" which wasn't true - which showed in my power readings. At the same time, it won't auto-flag someone's run that is clearly faster than humanly possible. I guess this is what happens when no human is looking at these things.
Interesting and hopefully that's a feature they're tweaking a bit. Riding a loop a little faster should not be getting an auto flag unless you were riding through some KOMs at a much higher rate maybe?

I digress, was there an appeal process? Curious if there was a way for you to say the ride was legit.
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Re: Strava "flagging" [xeon] [ In reply to ]
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xeon wrote:
cestmoi wrote:
xeon wrote:
burnthesheep wrote:
The uphill ebike is a death knell for some segments because they have no good way to know for sure versus “car”. They refused years ago requiring a HRM or PM to bag KOMs. I feel that’s a fair barrier to enter the game.

Exactly, they're a technology company and it would make a ton of sense of to be able to flag something on their end without needing user intervention... for instance a ride going up even a slight hill at 30mph or faster pushing 100W or less. It would seem setting things like that to autoflag should make sense... same goes for running dynamics. Someone posts something with a few sub 4 minute miles for a run around town... auto flag.

I digress, flag it on their end for obvious stuff and then send the uploader some communication... hey we flagged your "whatever", please let us know if we got it wrong.


Strava seems to have started some auto-flagging, but it's not accurate. I rode a very routine solo loop but did it harder (faster) than I usually do and Strava removed it from all the segments because "it detected it was drafting behind or in a vehicle" which wasn't true - which showed in my power readings. At the same time, it won't auto-flag someone's run that is clearly faster than humanly possible. I guess this is what happens when no human is looking at these things.

Interesting and hopefully that's a feature they're tweaking a bit. Riding a loop a little faster should not be getting an auto flag unless you were riding through some KOMs at a much higher rate maybe?

I digress, was there an appeal process? Curious if there was a way for you to say the ride was legit.



It doesn't look like there is an appeal process, but you can do some things to try to eliminate data issues to try to correct the problem: https://support.strava.com/...rticles/360061896712

I didn't want to go through the effort of these data correction things, mostly because I couldn't tell from the data where the problem was - I rode with power, didn't draft, and didn't see any blips in the data that would otherwise make it unreasonable.

What is more annoying is that Strava can't get the auto-flagging right on rides or runs that are obviously way past human capabilities - I see this more often than not, with people logging rides in cars or riding run segments on bikes, and very obviously too...Like this one:

https://www.strava.com/.../7744321618/overview This guy even got a video posted he did this "run" on a bike...
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Re: Strava "flagging" [cestmoi] [ In reply to ]
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my scalding hot take is that Strava should wipe the leaderboards on all 2:00 or less segments of all attempts with older or low-end GPS devices or older phones. GPS accuracy has come a long way since the Edge 500 and iphone 4 days. I'm sure there would be some haters, but it's not hard to squeeze in an effort on such short segments.

When I see a fast time on a longer climb recorded with an iphone, it is almost always an ebiker.

I have occasionally used my 10 flags per day allowance over a couple of days to clean out a gravel road climb that is used for shuttling mountain bikers. Someone once threw a tantrum from having all their ride flagged notifications that they went nuclear and flagged all legitimate efforts and marked the steep uphill (ie, going less than 15km/hr) segment as "hazardous" so that it is not eligible for leaderboards anymore. Something about caring a lot to pretend that you don't care a lot about strava...
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Re: Strava "flagging" [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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EDITED TO ADD - So, I just found one of these bogus efforts, that took a KOM away from me.
https://www.strava.com/segments/9662464?filter=overall


The woman who is (was, I flagged it) in 1st, clearly did a mtb (or maybe even a hike), and then drove home w/ GPS on.
Her only 2 lifetime segment results were both QOM/KOM's on this 1 activity.
And of course, no HR or watts data.
Grape job, Strava!!!!

I'm confused. I'm seeing you as KOM. ???

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Re: Strava "flagging" [H-] [ In reply to ]
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H- wrote:
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EDITED TO ADD - So, I just found one of these bogus efforts, that took a KOM away from me.
https://www.strava.com/segments/9662464?filter=overall


The woman who is (was, I flagged it) in 1st, clearly did a mtb (or maybe even a hike), and then drove home w/ GPS on.
Her only 2 lifetime segment results were both QOM/KOM's on this 1 activity.
And of course, no HR or watts data.
Grape job, Strava!!!!


I'm confused. I'm seeing you as KOM. ???


Correct.

Because I flagged it.
The woman’s “effort” was removed.

I should have taken a screenshot before flagging it, to show her “effort” in 1st place.
My bad.

She was supposedly ~9 mph faster than me or anybody else had ever gone on that flat segment before.
Which is totally plausible. Shrug.


float , hammer , and jog

Last edited by: Murphy'sLaw: Jul 8, 23 4:15
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Re: Strava "flagging" [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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OMG. Strava did NOT auto-flag this activity.



https://www.strava.com/activities/9430474951/overview


I mean, 416 miles in 14:40 moving time, avg 28.4 mph
(total elapsed time - 50 hours!!!!)
Several dozen KOM's.


UPDATE - Now, Strava DID just exclude 43 efforts.
Not sure if that was auto-detect, or somebody beat me to flagging it.


float , hammer , and jog

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