Lol so you're poor and can't afford a cool bike. That's got to suck dude!!!

So you got that d-waving going...thanks for letting us know.

Lol so you own a Dimond which tests about as fast as a Shiv, is not that great looking, and their Kona count was beaten by Ventum in only 1 year. That’s got to suck dude!!!

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So...Dimond is becoming more rare...making them more valuable....like a collector’s item. [pink!!]

Yep my life sucks :( Thanks for pointing that out for me...

I know every parent thinks their child is beautiful...but the truth is, there are a lot of ugly kids in the world.

And a lot of ugly bikes.

But I'm glad this one makes you happy.

I know every parent thinks their child is beautiful...but the truth is, there are a lot of ugly kids in the world.

And a lot of ugly bikes.

But I'm glad this one makes you happy.[/quote]
What started out me trying to tell someone who attacked everyone on this post that had or like a non traditional bike to ride one before passing judgement quickly escalated into some severe trolling that was quite entertaining I must admit. At the end of the day I do love my bike especially how it rides but also looks compared to a traditional frame and I just wanted to share that. People are welcome to feel otherwise but I think you will find everyone who has one is happy with their non traditional bike that's all...

I’m just messing with ya. I’m not a Dimond fan but I think non traditional bikes look awesome and we will see a lot more of them to come.

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That bike says a lot about the owner.... personally unless it guaranteed me a sub 5 hr IM bike split you couldn’t pay me to be caught on that thing

Looks fast? Well it doesn't guarantee but has been known to go well under...

I ride a P5, close to a 5 hour bike split...getting there. Only a few experiences on a non-traditional frame, namely ventum.

I didn't mind the ride on it, but wasn't wildly over the moon either. They make a point about the center of gravity being lower due to the hydration, but I only carry two 600ml bottles (bta and behind the saddle) for IM, so I'm not sure this really makes a difference to me. I also can't get behind the idea of buying a bike from a new brand that costs the same as its well-established competitors that have demonstrated their commitment to supporting athletes and owners over a number of years.

What I don't understand (and that does not mean I'm saying it isn't true) are the claims that these bikes are better in crosswinds.

If you are riding a disc and a deep front, then for sure there is more wheel exposed to the wind than frame. Even with 808s front and back, I imagine the wheels have more impact...especially the front. Can someone point to the data or theory that explains why these bikes are better in cross winds than a well-designed traditional frame such as a P5 and its peers?

I don't know about any claims but in my opinion the only place I have ever noticed severe cross winds that I think may make a difference from other bikes is the descent from Hawi in Kona. The Thursday the week before the race this year the wind was horrendous and I was riding a 60 front and 90 rear and was having an easier time than my friends on a BMC and a Canyon similar wheels but that was in extreme cross winds. One of the guys sister got blown off her bike twice. I can't comment on the ride quality of the Ventum but have chatted to a rider I think second fastest AG at Kona this year who went from a Dimond to a Ventum and is back on a Dimond. To me the Dimond ride quality is handling just like a standard frame bike cornering etc but the beam takes some harshness out the road. My first ride on one I was looking for rough sections to ride over as I couldn't believe how much nicer the ride was.

I wish I still had my Hotta - that was a beautiful bike.

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When I saw the first spy shots of the P5X, I was hoping that they would bring the Barrachi name back. Both bikes have some similar features.

I rode the descent on that same Thursday before the race in the afternoon and during the race. I had 808s front and back and really didn't have any drama on the bike. I'm 180cm, 75kg and was riding at 220NP, not super heavy or super light, and not super powerful blasting through the wind. If the Dimond beam is damping the ride enough to make it noticeable, it is also sapping power. That said, carbon lay-up and design aspects unrelated to a beam vs traditional frame can offer better ride qualities that damp vibration..which could be the case with Dimond. (e.g. damping vibration without flex in the beam)

Sorry it was the Thursday the week prior to race week. The week leading into the race didn't have winds anywhere close to that day. I had never seen or ridden it that bad. My friend posted holding his bike and having it blown horizontal. As I said it was extreme. I understand there may be some loss of power but it isn't noticeable but I just find it more enjoyable to ride especially over an Ironman distance.

I still think the wheels will produce more side forces than the frame....I'm going to look into this.

Living in Taiwan has its advantages...a little birdy has told me I'm in line for a very cool new tri bike that is coming out in a month or two. Already has a UCI sibling...thus traditional frame...but sexy sexy sexy!

My wife was there for a month before the race and was out that Thursday. There was actually a group of riders swept off the QK that day somewhere between the Mauna Lani access and the Hapuna Beach access. All suffered broken bones:( I know one of the group was a female podium finisher in 2016. The winds kicked up again on Monday following the race. Very bad along the Kohala Coast, but pretty much higher than normal all across the island.

You aren't kidding about the winds on Monday. If race day had been anywhere close to those conditions, it would have been a very different race.

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Yeah...Monday really would have been a sufferfest of epic proportions!