Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 5:43

Post #51 of 69 (1654 views)

BLeP wrote:

dave_w wrote:

ps. OTOH, Trump's "inapropriate" talk has netted good results at other times, like UN member countries paying up at higher rates taking some financial initiative of their own, so maybe Trump is just trying to start a fire under the PR residents and govt...or he is just being a douchbag.

It could be that he's trying to start a fire under them. Or it could be that he just thinks that Puerto Ricans are ~~second class citizens~~ , ~~third class citizens~~ , Citizens Bulk-rate.

I haven't read anything about him threatening to pull out of Houston and Florida where the real Americans live.

You also haven't heard the Mayor of Houston or people in Florida whining about how the federal government hasn't done enough for them, all while failing to get their internal political crap out of the way to allow for work to proceed.

Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes. And it seems that their local politicians haven't been able to set aside local bickering to get the job done in recovery. The federal government is spending a ton of money and effort in PR, and pretty much what they've gotten in return is bitching and complaining.

We're not going to pull FEMA out of PR any time soon, and the President's tweet obviously didn't present a good optic, but let's not get carried away with the racism and third-rate citizens crap, without acknowledging that PR itself is standing in the way of a lot of the solutions they are complaining about.

Slowguy

(insert pithy phrase here...)

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 5:48

Post #52 of 69 (1651 views)

slowguy wrote:

We're not going to pull FEMA out of PR any time soon, and the President's tweet obviously didn't present a good optic, but let's not get carried away with the racism and third-rate citizens crap, without acknowledging that PR itself is standing in the way of a lot of the solutions they are complaining about.

C'mon now, I called them Citizens bulk-rate.

I know he won't pull out. But you know he wants to.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [BLeP] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:01

Post #53 of 69 (1643 views)

BLeP wrote:

slowguy wrote:

We're not going to pull FEMA out of PR any time soon, and the President's tweet obviously didn't present a good optic, but let's not get carried away with the racism and third-rate citizens crap, without acknowledging that PR itself is standing in the way of a lot of the solutions they are complaining about.

C'mon now, I called them Citizens bulk-rate.

I know he won't pull out. But you know he wants to.

Yea, you're probably right...

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:19

Post #54 of 69 (1632 views)

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:37

Post #55 of 69 (1624 views)

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:44

Post #56 of 69 (1618 views)

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:45

Post #57 of 69 (1616 views)

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:53

Post #58 of 69 (1613 views)

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 6:58

Post #59 of 69 (1607 views)

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

How about linking to a non-socialist news source? The NYT article did not portray Cuba in the same wonderful light. The words banishment and things like threats of reprisals against children in Cuba were mentioned though.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 7:02

Post #60 of 69 (1602 views)

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

How about linking to a non-socialist news source? The NYT article did not portray Cuba in the same wonderful light. The words banishment and things like threats of reprisals against children in Cuba were mentioned though.

But wait...don't the LR Trumpsters always tell us that NYT is a socialist news source. I read an article in the UK's "the Guardian", which is fairly conservative, that said about the same thing as the url I posted.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 7:05

Post #61 of 69 (1602 views)

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

How about linking to a non-socialist news source? The NYT article did not portray Cuba in the same wonderful light. The words banishment and things like threats of reprisals against children in Cuba were mentioned though.

But wait...don't the LR Trumpsters always tell us that NYT is a socialist news source. I read an article in the UK's "the Guardian", which is fairly conservative, that said about the same thing as the url I posted.

I read a variety of news sources. I'm just saying the crown jewel of Cuba you tout so frequently may have a few issues like threatening children.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [windywave] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 7:08

Post #62 of 69 (1599 views)

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

How about linking to a non-socialist news source? The NYT article did not portray Cuba in the same wonderful light. The words banishment and things like threats of reprisals against children in Cuba were mentioned though.

But wait...don't the LR Trumpsters always tell us that NYT is a socialist news source. I read an article in the UK's "the Guardian", which is fairly conservative, that said about the same thing as the url I posted.

I read a variety of news sources. I'm just saying the crown jewel of Cuba you tout so frequently may have a few issues like threatening children.

They don't threaten children in Cuba, they eat them when they are still babies. (pink font)

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]

Oct 13, 17 7:10

Post #63 of 69 (1596 views)

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

windywave wrote:

cerveloguy wrote:

"Let's be honest. PR was suffering from poor governance and debt issues (some of which were not entirely of their own making) before the hurricanes."

They had not really benefited by their union with the USA. The whole thing was set up to turn them into debt slaves to the mainland. That's why they were already on the verge of bankruptcy before the hurricane. Even Cuba is now better off despite an almost sixty year long embargo.

Well except for the whole freedom and liberties thing. BTW did you see the article about the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctor diplomacy program modern day slavery? Viva Cuba

Glad to see you took the bait (again). But economically, I was reading an article not long ago that Cuba and PR were fairly much on par.

And that matters why when there are such disparities in things like freedom of speech?

Well its not the Brazilian court calling the Cuban doctors "slaves", its actually the Cuban doctors themselves speaking out because the Cuban government is taking 25% of their salary while they are working in Brazil. Cuba sends doctors all over the third world to work in understaffed areas. That's a more humanitarian approach than dropping bombs I suppose and a lot more likely to win friends. The doctors haven't been treated particularly well in Brazil BTW, where racism has been quite rampant.:

https://www.pri.org/...ban-doctors-brazil-0

How about linking to a non-socialist news source? The NYT article did not portray Cuba in the same wonderful light. The words banishment and things like threats of reprisals against children in Cuba were mentioned though.

But wait...don't the LR Trumpsters always tell us that NYT is a socialist news source. I read an article in the UK's "the Guardian", which is fairly conservative, that said about the same thing as the url I posted.

I read a variety of news sources. I'm just saying the crown jewel of Cuba you tout so frequently may have a few issues like threatening children.

They don't threaten children in Cuba, they eat them when they are still babies. (pink font)

Good to know you like joking about human rights abuses.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 11:48

Post #64 of 69 (1441 views)

FishyJoe wrote:

So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

Quote:

We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!

https://twitter.com/...s/918432809282342912

Imagine if the power was still out in Florida or Texas. Clearly second class citizens.

http://abcnews.go.com/...on-deadline-51814512

===============
Proud member of the MSF (Maple Syrup Mafia)

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 11:57

Post #65 of 69 (1418 views)

I mean Flint still doesnt have drinkable water.

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 12:24

Post #66 of 69 (1379 views)

CaptainCanada wrote:

FishyJoe wrote:

So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

Quote:

We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!

https://twitter.com/...s/918432809282342912

Imagine if the power was still out in Florida or Texas. Clearly second class citizens.

http://abcnews.go.com/...on-deadline-51814512

Well the explaination is right there in the first sentence...

Quote:

Union leaders representing Puerto Rico power company workers slammed local and federal officials on Friday as the U.S. territory missed a deadline to restore 95 percent of power as promised by the island's governor.

Union
Local officials
Federal officials
Promises.

See the problem?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 12:28

Post #67 of 69 (1365 views)

Duffy wrote:

Quote:

Union leaders representing Puerto Rico power company workers slammed local and federal officials on Friday as the U.S. territory missed a deadline to restore 95 percent of power as promised by the island's governor.

Union
Local officials
Federal officials
Promises.

See the problem?

Trump???

Last edited by: rick_pcfl: Dec 18, 17 12:50

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 12:35

Post #68 of 69 (1355 views)

rick_pcfl wrote:

Duffy wrote:

Union leaders representing Puerto Rico power company workers slammed local and federal officials on Friday as the U.S. territory missed a deadline to restore 95 percent of power as promised by the island's governor.

Union
Local officials
Federal officials
Promises.

See the problem?

Trump???[/quote]
He would fall under the category of federal official, would he not?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb

Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]

Dec 18, 17 21:50

Post #69 of 69 (1206 views)

CaptainCanada wrote:

Imagine if the power was still out in Florida or Texas. Clearly second class citizens.

http://abcnews.go.com/...on-deadline-51814512

"But union leaders criticized private brigades, saying they were taking too long to help restore power and questioning the multimillion dollar contracts they have obtained from the U.S. government."

Definitely Trumps fault.

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