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So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?






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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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FishyJoe wrote:
So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second. 3 weeks is probably not enough time, but FEMA's job is not the same as the DoD's job. FEMA is supposed to be there for short term response and recovery. First responders, by definition, provide first response, not indefinite response. And FEMA's budget is much smaller than DoD's, so they will run out of resources at some point.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

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We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!



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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second. 3 weeks is probably not enough time, but FEMA's job is not the same as the DoD's job. FEMA is supposed to be there for short term response and recovery. First responders, by definition, provide first response, not indefinite response. And FEMA's budget is much smaller than DoD's, so they will run out of resources at some point.

Not to mention how much of FEMA's budget has already been depleted with Harvey, Irma, and the wildfires over the summer. At some point a community is going to get the short end of the budget stick.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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When is Trump's "America First" policy going to be renamed to its more accurate moniker, "White America First"

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Guffaw] [ In reply to ]
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Guffaw wrote:
When is Trump's "America First" policy going to be renamed to its more accurate moniker, "White America First"

Because when I think Houston I think only white people. Moron.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Guffaw] [ In reply to ]
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When is Trump's "America First" policy going to be renamed to its more accurate moniker, "White America First"

There are lots of black people in Houston and Florida so that doesn't hold up.

However, the fact that Puerto Ricans don't vote for President, might be the first hint as to the real problem.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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mck414 wrote:
slowguy wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

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We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!



https://twitter.com/...s/918432809282342912
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second. 3 weeks is probably not enough time, but FEMA's job is not the same as the DoD's job. FEMA is supposed to be there for short term response and recovery. First responders, by definition, provide first response, not indefinite response. And FEMA's budget is much smaller than DoD's, so they will run out of resources at some point.


Not to mention how much of FEMA's budget has already been depleted with Harvey, Irma, and the wildfires over the summer. At some point a community is going to get the short end of the budget stick.

So the first thought is to leave, rather than ask for more funding and resources? Yet we have no problem funnelling billions more to Afghanistan, but Puerto Rico, no sir, they screwed up they are on their own.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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FishyJoe wrote:
mck414 wrote:
slowguy wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

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We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!



https://twitter.com/...s/918432809282342912
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second. 3 weeks is probably not enough time, but FEMA's job is not the same as the DoD's job. FEMA is supposed to be there for short term response and recovery. First responders, by definition, provide first response, not indefinite response. And FEMA's budget is much smaller than DoD's, so they will run out of resources at some point.


Not to mention how much of FEMA's budget has already been depleted with Harvey, Irma, and the wildfires over the summer. At some point a community is going to get the short end of the budget stick.


So the first thought is to leave, rather than ask for more funding and resources? Yet we have no problem funnelling billions more to Afghanistan, but Puerto Rico, no sir, they screwed up they are on their own.

Well, again, FEMA's job is not to be there indefinitely. It's to go in, provide a certain level of assistance, and then depart, providing funding and administrative support from home office, not on scene.

That's just the reality of how the agency is supposed to work, and it does that whether it's PR or TX or FL or anywhere else.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Well there are a lot of ways he could have phrased things to sound the least bit empathetic. Or just kept his mouth shut. Instead we get this.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Is FEMA still in Texas and Florida?

Has FEMA ever even been in Afghanistan?

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
FishyJoe wrote:
So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks?

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We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!



https://twitter.com/...s/918432809282342912



Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second. 3 weeks is probably not enough time, but FEMA's job is not the same as the DoD's job. FEMA is supposed to be there for short term response and recovery. First responders, by definition, provide first response, not indefinite response. And FEMA's budget is much smaller than DoD's, so they will run out of resources at some point.

Isn't the DoD's job to win wars?

(only partially kidding)

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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"So let me get this straight. We can spend a trillion dollars in Afghanistan and stay there for decades, but we have to pull out federal support of Puerto Rico after three weeks? "

And in other news this morning Trump pulls out of UNESCO, wants NBC's license pulled for telling fake news and Bannon tells Vanity Fair that Trump has only a 30% chance of finishing his term. Can't wait to read the dotard's tweets today.


And you're right about Afghanistan - a total money pit with no viable end game in sight.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.

Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.


Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

As of this mornings news its now only 89% without electricity or clean water. Yep, things are going well.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.


Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

I'm guessing that things are going as well as the locals make them go.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.


Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

As of this mornings news its now only 89% without electricity or clean water. Yep, things are going well.

I would assume, given the gravity of the situation as described by the mayor, that the entire population of the island must have just died off by now.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.


Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

As of this mornings news its now only 89% without electricity or clean water. Yep, things are going well.

I would assume, given the gravity of the situation as described by the mayor, that the entire population of the island must have just died off by now.

At least according to her T-shirt’s.

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
Duffy wrote:
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Well, set aside emotion and/or hatred of the President for a second.


Haha. Good luck with that.

BTW, haven’t heard much in the news about PR (I’m admittedly not much of a news consumer).

Things must be going well.

As of this mornings news its now only 89% without electricity or clean water. Yep, things are going well.

So basically back to normal.

Have you been to Puerto Rico?

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Is FEMA still in Texas and Florida?

Has FEMA ever even been in Afghanistan?

Yes.

No.

FEMA trailers were in New Orleans for 6 years after Katrina.
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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [torrey] [ In reply to ]
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torrey wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Is FEMA still in Texas and Florida?

Has FEMA ever even been in Afghanistan?

Yes.

No.

FEMA trailers were in New Orleans for 6 years after Katrina.

Has FEMA left PR?

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [FishyJoe] [ In reply to ]
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an interesting iteration of this question is that if global warming intensifies storms or increases their frequency, at what point will the USA decide to no longer bother with rebuilding projects?

there were people arguing that new orleans was a lost cause post-katrina, or at least too expensive to fix. clearly something like new york city would continue to get rebuilt for a while, but one wonders: will miami or new orleans eventually get abandoned to its fate by the goverment? will puerto rico be the test case?

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [iron_mike] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe we should take the federal government out of the post disaster rebuilding altogether and let a more localized effort decide if they want to rebuild in a disaster prone area.

As a side why the hell did PR have above ground power lines, and are they now going to switch to underground or just repeat the bafoonery of restringing power lines in the air only to be blown to shit next summer?

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Maybe we should take the federal government out of the post disaster rebuilding altogether and let a more localized effort decide if they want to rebuild in a disaster prone area.

As a side why the hell did PR have above ground power lines, and are they now going to switch to underground or just repeat the bafoonery of restringing power lines in the air only to be blown to shit next summer?

http://www.cnn.com/...ines-trnd/index.html

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Re: Abandon Puerto Rico? [CaptainCanada] [ In reply to ]
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Did they factor in the cost of a whole fucking island not having power for months?

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