What mistake? The election was stolen by Trump and the Russians, and Comey (he should have been fired, but not by Trump and not right now). If not for the interference, Hillary would have won by 50 points.

They just need to #resist for 4 years, then things will get back to "normal."

That's my answer, as well. And I see Chelsea as the next "well deserved" POTUS.

Hahahaha! That's ridiculous and you know it.

Hillary shouldn't even have been the nominee. You can't blame the Russians -- if there is even anything to that speculation -- when it's known that the DNC colluded in the primary against Bernie. That was proven. And it cost Hillary critical votes in the general, as it should have because enough principled people realized that Trump's bombastic incompetence for the position did not outweigh Hillary's participation in outright corruption to steal the nomination.

Blaming "The Russians" without acknowledging Hillary & the DNC's own role is just senseless. Hillary & the DNC are just as much to blame for Trump's ascendency to President as any other factor.

Hillary was a bad candidate, no doubt about it. But both parties have been written off several times over the last 25'ish years. Most recently the Democrats right at this moment and the Republicans I think as late as about 8:00 pm November 8th.

Are the Democrats done because they nominated Hillary? Well, were the Republicans done when they nominated Dole? or McCain/Palin? or Romney? Was the US done when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Was Hillary Clinton done when the Russians hacked the election?

No, they are done because they didn't see any problem with nominating Hillary, or with they way they got her nominated, and they will probably nominate a very similar candidate in 2020.

Just to be clear, my post should have been in <pink>

No, she was done because people just don't like her very much. The crazy haired old socialist who joined the party the evening before he announced he was running with a wife almost as crooked as Trump nearly beat her.

People who pretend like Democrats were united behind her just weren't paying attention. Not counting super delegates, she only beat Sanders 2205 - 1846.

The problem was the money and party machinery decided that she was the best option and it kept others out of the race. So yes, I hope the Democrats don't repeat that mistake.

But then if I were a Republican, I would hope they don't repeat the mistake of Trump.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

Sorry. It's hard to know these days in our political climate, because there are others who fully believe it was all the fault of the Russians.

Strange times we live in, my friend.

I'm curious to see how many people change the way they vote because of this. Despite the fact that some blame votes for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein to have taken away from Hilary, will people be so disgusted with both parties that they just can't give in to the two party system anymore? I know I'm feeling that way right now.

I left the two party system quite some time ago, but I really think it's still here to stay. The story might be different if the situation of money in politics -- and where it comes from -- were different. But it's not and I don't see that grip being loosened at any time in the foreseeable future, despite the garbage candidates we've seen nominated.

I voted for Johnson because the other candidates sucked.

I'm hoping Rand gets a good run at it. I think he could be a unifing force. Social liberal, fiscal conservative, won't go into war on a whim. I do t think he will but that's my hope.

I would love for Charlie Baker (Rep governor MA) to run. He does have the highest approval rating of any governor, but I don't think he could win the nomination.

IF he wants to? He filed for reelection the day after the inauguration!

I think the only thing that will break the 2 party system (and maybe 'fix' the government), would be a constitutional amendment that limits the federal budget to some percentage of GDP and something like $1T or $2T. Until then, with about 535 people in charge of handing out $4T, there is just too much incentive to control things.

That's before he realized presidenting was hard.

The reason he did that was so he could use campaign election funds. You can only do that if you have officially filed. He is using those funds to pay for ads, etc. to advocate his policies. It's sort of a back door way to lobby on his on behalf.

Republican's, Kasich or Ben Sasse, R Senator from Nebraska. Trump, if around will not run again. Pence will be too tainted by Trump and won't run.


Sasse is smart, moderate and is able to speak to the middle of the country and the coasts. After Trump the media will have a hard time painting he or Kasich as being crazy right wingers or calling them out as the return of Hitler. Neither supported Trump. Sasse has already written a book so there is little doubt someone has his back and much like Obama, he seems to be coming from nowhere. After Trump I expect the Republican Party to unite under a normal candidate. And no, Paul Ryan will not run.


https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Vanishing_American_Adult.html?id=0FVFDQAAQBAJ&source=kp_cover



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Sasse


Democrats


Booker or some crazy left wing nutter like Sanders. Or Clinton comes back. No matter what, the Dems will be running an establishment candidate. The party has not figured out that they really screwed up. Thus all the blaming of others for their loss. And of course, you also have the Millennial SJW generation running around which will make it much harder for the Dems to find consensus.

Why is this important to some people? I often hear military record brought up, but what does it have to do with an ability to run a country?

Ad Muncher

I can't speak for anyone else, but only from my own experience as an ex-Marine. If someone is going to have power to make decisions on sending troops into battle (so not just the President), I feel they need to be sensitive to the long-term costs of the various damages of modern warfare.

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Travis Rassat
Vector Cycle Works
Noblesville, IN
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I guess Flynn is your guy then. He certainly has the international business experience.

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"Go yell at an M&M"

It's quite a stretch to call him "my guy", but, if we didn't know what we know now, he looks like he'd be worth an initial interview.

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Travis Rassat
Vector Cycle Works
Noblesville, IN
BikeFit Instructor | FMS | F.I.S.T. | IBFI
Toughman Triathlon Series Ambassador