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Ever heard of the 'big boys club'? Established editors (years removed from actual being on top of the field) shooting down papers from up and coming 'competitors'?
I really admire the fervor some of you defend the broken system....howling with the wolves or having an influential mentor?
You 'actual scientits' should maybe consider the possibility that you talk to a colleague with a quite good track record of getting cutting edge research published.
2. Sure I talk to colleagues with a good track record of getting cutting edge research published. To some degree I am one of those people. I also know people (often the same people) who've had good, cutting-edge research knocked back from high-profile journals.
3. I'm not defending a broken system. I'm saying you're wrong.
4. My PhD, career in research (at both universities and R&D institutions) and extensive publication record make me an actual scientist. Without quotes. Perhaps you could consider the possibility that RobK and I are actually experienced enough to have a broader view of the system than you?
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I have been victimized twice and bitter ever since.... data access is one thing, 'expert' reviewers just straight arming unwanted competition in a high ranked journal is another.The system doesn't always work perfectly, but it works well most of the time. I've seen good work shot down unfairly (because it stepped on the toes of someone with influence), but I've also seen good work that flat out contradicted leaders in the field get published. Why? Because the work was solid and the review process is usually fair. Bad papers get through sometimes and good papers sometimes fail. The system is fairly self-correcting though. If bad papers get through they usually don't get cited, or they get refuted by other papers. If good papers fail to get through then they often get published by a different journal.
Not perfect, but not broken.
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Who even takes notice (funding $$$$$$$$) of groundbreaking work published in open peer review (even with all data open access in "Proceedings" or "PLOSOne"), when Nature, Science and others are still sticking with the big boys who protect their share of the dwindling funding cake? Maybe you haven't been in that situation, but peer review for the big publications was and still is to some great extend broken.
And for the record, I've had a paper rejected because a reviewer didn't like some prior piece of work that I was building on. The editor - this was a reasonably prestigious journal - backed them up (unjustifiably, in my opinion) and rejected my work. None of the reviews were bad either, they said (paraphrasing): great paper, well written, interesting result, could be impactful, don't believe it because I think previous paper was wrong. I'm still sore about that 8 years later. I've had other experiences with difficult reviewers. You know what, that happens. It's not common though. Not common for me and not common for any of my colleagues or friends in different fields.
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And BTW, you still need to spend $$$$$$ to even prove that some famous celerie's data are fudged.Quote:
And I am a supporter and user of Sci-Hub... I hate shameless double dippers...Charge for the print, but don't charge me an hours salary for one of my scientists just to access one single online article.----------------------------------
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