i like to ride pretty stretched out on my bikes. but if i put on most of the typical clip-ons on, they end up being too long for me. but when i set up my P2K, i compromised with just a slightly shorter stem than optimal, and clip-on aerobars that have an adjustment that allows me to get the elbow supports a little further back.

so, yes, if you typically use a long stem, you could try going just a little shorter (1-1.5 cm shorter might be enough) with the stem.

yes, you can go more slack with the seat angle if you want, but i still prefer to be in a more forward (steeper) position, especially on the P2K. it gives me the best position for most types of riding. so, depending on your frame geometry, you could try a zero setback seatpost (like a straight thomson post) and then slide your seat forward a little, or a lot on the rails. note: get your seat fore-aft position mostly set up before you select your final stem length (and aerobar size too), otherwise, moving the seat back or forward more than a few mm will make you have to switch stems again.

using drop bars in hilly or mountainous areas gives some big advantages: sti shifting which allows you to shift while standing during climbs, and the lower parts of the drop bars which allow you to descend with greater speeds, a much lower center of gravity, and higher confidence since your hands are "hooked in" to the forward bends, with your fingertips even touching the brake levers if necessary.

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