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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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You're on here telling one of the few people who's actually qualified to talk about this why he's wrong.

How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Thom] [ In reply to ]
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Thom wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Don't bother ike, JFHJR did his own research.


Sick burn, dude. I mean truly epic.

You must be the mayor of burner town.

Burner town, population you!


Just curious. Have you studied this trial in sufficient detail that you can comfortably say there was no other connection discussed or are you taking that opinion from somewhere else?

Assuming your curiosity is legit (which I'm skeptical), I've followed it closely enough to realize the defense strategy to create reasonable doubt is to argue that Cohen was a cowboy. While Trump may have stuck his dick in anything that will stand still, knew about the NDAs and the catch-and-kill deals, he didn't instruct the falsification of records (which is the criminal charge).

That's the defense.

Cohen and Weisellberg are the two who can definitely say Trump instructed the falsification of records. Weisellberg's not there and Cohen blew himself up yesterday.

If I missed what else (something not circumstantial) that directly connects Trump to the falsification charge, please indulge me.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
Thom wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Don't bother ike, JFHJR did his own research.


Sick burn, dude. I mean truly epic.

You must be the mayor of burner town.

Burner town, population you!


Just curious. Have you studied this trial in sufficient detail that you can comfortably say there was no other connection discussed or are you taking that opinion from somewhere else?


Assuming your curiosity is legit (which I'm skeptical), I've followed it closely enough to realize the defense strategy to create reasonable doubt is to argue that Cohen was a cowboy. While Trump may have stuck his dick in anything that will stand still, knew about the NDAs and the catch-and-kill deals, he didn't instruct the falsification of records (which is the criminal charge).

That's the defense.

Cohen and Weisellberg are the two who can definitely say Trump instructed the falsification of records. Weisellberg's not there and Cohen blew himself up yesterday.

If I missed what else (something not circumstantial) that directly connects Trump to the falsification charge, please indulge me.

I haven't read 4 weeks of transcripts so I really don't know. There is the letter from Wesselberg and testimony from various Trump staff members. There may not be connections but from what I've seen reported, I don't feel like I can declare that there is no other evidence that he knew.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
Thom wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Don't bother ike, JFHJR did his own research.


Sick burn, dude. I mean truly epic.

You must be the mayor of burner town.

Burner town, population you!


Just curious. Have you studied this trial in sufficient detail that you can comfortably say there was no other connection discussed or are you taking that opinion from somewhere else?


Assuming your curiosity is legit (which I'm skeptical), I've followed it closely enough to realize the defense strategy to create reasonable doubt is to argue that Cohen was a cowboy. While Trump may have stuck his dick in anything that will stand still, knew about the NDAs and the catch-and-kill deals, he didn't instruct the falsification of records (which is the criminal charge).

That's the defense.

Cohen and Weisellberg are the two who can definitely say Trump instructed the falsification of records. Weisellberg's not there and Cohen blew himself up yesterday.

If I missed what else (something not circumstantial) that directly connects Trump to the falsification charge, please indulge me.

You are missing Gary Farro, Jeffrey McConney, Rhona Graff, Hope Hicks, David Pecker, multiple documents including some with handwritten notes, and an open mind.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
monty wrote:
Listening to the talking head on the way home from swimming, it appears that the defense had their gotcha moment with Cohen. But after listening to what it was, seemed trivial to me. But they only have to get one juror to think it is something more, and it will be couched as 100% vindication!!!


IT was something to the effect that on that 90 second phone call where the talked about Stormy, that they also talked about a 14 year old who was stalking Cohen. Apparently that was not disclosed before, the part with the teenager. SO they asked Cohen if they talked about that, and he said yes, as well as the other thing..

So they will run with this and try and get someone to believe it was all about the kid, and not about Stormy and the money paid out. Even though every single witness before this corroborates this exact scenario.. But Cohen is a lying piece of shit, so even when telling the truth, hard to get him to be a witness with any creditability. Which is always the. case in criminal trials, you often have to use criminals to get other criminals...

Trump is pumping his fist, thinks he just won this thing, which in his eyes, he well may have. Just needs one juror...


If you weren't listening in real time, you should find a source that's reliable to read about it. It was much worse than your summary.

Cohen is the only connection between the "paper" and Trump. If they can't connect Trump to the paper, they have a problem.

Today, they painted Cohen as a liar, yes, but also a liar who would (and has) benefited from the lie, and one who was bent on revenge.

The call where Cohen linked Trump to the paper, turns out was possibly Cohen calling Trump's security about a 14-year-old who was cranking Cohen. There were text messages leading up to the phone call. The defense showed it's reasonable to assume the call (which lasted 92 seconds) was about the 14-year-old and not the Stormy stuff. And that Cohen is lying that he spoke about the Stormy stuff. Apparently, this is the first time the 14-year-old has been mentioned at all. If this was the case, the prosecution really should have introduced the dual reason for the call. Now, they'll have to do it on redirect and it'll just look like he's lying because the defense caught him in a story.

I suspect today they got all the jurors.


What “paper” are you referring to? I don’t think there is any doubt that Trump wrote the checks to Cohen, which is 1/3d of the allegedly false business records. I agree that Cohen is an important witness but he is not the only link between Trump and the false business records.


My understanding is Cohen is the only one who can tie Trump directly.

Think about it this way: If they had a direct connection, they'd never put a convicted liar on the stand.


“Tie Trump directly” to what? To the scheme to kill bad stories before election? Pecker testified extensively about Trump’s role in that.


That's not what he's on trial for.


Actually, it is a very important part of what he is on trial for. Motive matters in most criminal cases, including this one. That is partly why the prosecution opened with Pecker. The fact that the payments were for campaign purposes, and not primarily for personal purposes, has been one of the key issues in the case.


The only criminal charge is falsifying business records. Everyone and everything else links Trump to the NDAs, the catch-and-kills, etc., but Cohen is the only one who puts the pen in Trump's hand telling Cohen to falsify the records. Stormy Daniels doesn't. David Pecker doesn't. Karen McDougal doesn't.

It's just Trump, Allen Weisselberg, and Cohen. And 2 of those 3 aren't testifying.

As I said just above, many of the false records are checks written by Trump. That puts the pen in Trump’s hand. As others here have noted, there are other facts further drawing the link. But, that is the simplest and clearest one.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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JFHJR wrote:
Thom wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Don't bother ike, JFHJR did his own research.


Sick burn, dude. I mean truly epic.

You must be the mayor of burner town.

Burner town, population you!


Just curious. Have you studied this trial in sufficient detail that you can comfortably say there was no other connection discussed or are you taking that opinion from somewhere else?


Assuming your curiosity is legit (which I'm skeptical), I've followed it closely enough to realize the defense strategy to create reasonable doubt is to argue that Cohen was a cowboy. While Trump may have stuck his dick in anything that will stand still, knew about the NDAs and the catch-and-kill deals, he didn't instruct the falsification of records (which is the criminal charge).

That's the defense.

Cohen and Weisellberg are the two who can definitely say Trump instructed the falsification of records. Weisellberg's not there and Cohen blew himself up yesterday.

If I missed what else (something not circumstantial) that directly connects Trump to the falsification charge, please indulge me.


You clearly haven't followed it "closely enough" to know that Trump's legal team denies he "stuck his dick in" anyone but his wife. They say Stormy is lying. If you followed it "closely enough" you would know the falsifying business records is a misdemeanor. The criminal charges are about election interference. Connecting the two may result in the falsifying business records being criminal as they were done in the furtherance of a crime.

It is clear to anyone who has been following this "closely enough" that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records. That he did this to aid a criminal election interference effort may be a bit of a stretch. There is also the chance that Trump will only be found guilty of the misdemeanors and not a felony.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JFHJR] [ In reply to ]
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It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
Thom wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
BLeP wrote:
Don't bother ike, JFHJR did his own research.


Sick burn, dude. I mean truly epic.

You must be the mayor of burner town.

Burner town, population you!


Just curious. Have you studied this trial in sufficient detail that you can comfortably say there was no other connection discussed or are you taking that opinion from somewhere else?


Assuming your curiosity is legit (which I'm skeptical), I've followed it closely enough to realize the defense strategy to create reasonable doubt is to argue that Cohen was a cowboy. While Trump may have stuck his dick in anything that will stand still, knew about the NDAs and the catch-and-kill deals, he didn't instruct the falsification of records (which is the criminal charge).

That's the defense.

Cohen and Weisellberg are the two who can definitely say Trump instructed the falsification of records. Weisellberg's not there and Cohen blew himself up yesterday.

If I missed what else (something not circumstantial) that directly connects Trump to the falsification charge, please indulge me.


You clearly haven't followed it "closely enough" to know that Trump's legal team denies he "stuck his dick in" anyone but his wife. They say Stormy is lying. If you followed it "closely enough" you would know the falsifying business records is a misdemeanor. The criminal charges are about election interference. Connecting the two may result in the falsifying business records being criminal as they were done in the furtherance of a crime.

It is clear to anyone who has been following this "closely enough" that Trump is guilty of falsifying business records. That he did this to aid a criminal election interference effort may be a bit of a stretch. There is also the chance that Trump will only be found guilty of the misdemeanors and not a felony.

"Well" "I guess" "I've been" "mistaken" "then".
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.

Why does any of that matter when you say, "It won't matter anyway right? This trial was over before it started. Guilty on all counts. Let's see what the punishment is."

Why do people pretend like they can predict the future? Not to worry, I'm sure president Desantis will pardon him.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Thom] [ In reply to ]
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Thom wrote:
SDG wrote:
It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.


Why does any of that matter when you say, "It won't matter anyway right? This trial was over before it started. Guilty on all counts. Let's see what the punishment is."

Why do people pretend like they can predict the future? Not to worry, I'm sure president Desantis will pardon him.


Oh it doesn't matter. He will be found guilty for sure. This is all just performative in an attempt to sway some voters and then get a conviction for something, anything. No doubt he will be found guilty.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.

I disagree, I think you are reading what you want into what was said. He has admitted that he had an axe to grind. What I heard was they were unable to rattle him. Besides that, trumps attorney lost all credibility the minute he started the cross by asking cohen if he called him a whiney bitch and cohen admitted it sounded like something he would say.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SWEDE63] [ In reply to ]
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SDG wrote:
It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.


I disagree, I think you are reading what you want into what was said. He has admitted that he had an axe to grind. What I heard was they were unable to rattle him. Besides that, trumps attorney lost all credibility the minute he started the cross by asking cohen if he called him a whiney bitch and cohen admitted it sounded like something he would say.

Think of the person who would want to hire a known self-serving liar and pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars over more than a decade.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
monty wrote:
Listening to the talking head on the way home from swimming, it appears that the defense had their gotcha moment with Cohen. But after listening to what it was, seemed trivial to me. But they only have to get one juror to think it is something more, and it will be couched as 100% vindication!!!


IT was something to the effect that on that 90 second phone call where the talked about Stormy, that they also talked about a 14 year old who was stalking Cohen. Apparently that was not disclosed before, the part with the teenager. SO they asked Cohen if they talked about that, and he said yes, as well as the other thing..

So they will run with this and try and get someone to believe it was all about the kid, and not about Stormy and the money paid out. Even though every single witness before this corroborates this exact scenario.. But Cohen is a lying piece of shit, so even when telling the truth, hard to get him to be a witness with any creditability. Which is always the. case in criminal trials, you often have to use criminals to get other criminals...

Trump is pumping his fist, thinks he just won this thing, which in his eyes, he well may have. Just needs one juror...


If you weren't listening in real time, you should find a source that's reliable to read about it. It was much worse than your summary.

Cohen is the only connection between the "paper" and Trump. If they can't connect Trump to the paper, they have a problem.

Today, they painted Cohen as a liar, yes, but also a liar who would (and has) benefited from the lie, and one who was bent on revenge.

The call where Cohen linked Trump to the paper, turns out was possibly Cohen calling Trump's security about a 14-year-old who was cranking Cohen. There were text messages leading up to the phone call. The defense showed it's reasonable to assume the call (which lasted 92 seconds) was about the 14-year-old and not the Stormy stuff. And that Cohen is lying that he spoke about the Stormy stuff. Apparently, this is the first time the 14-year-old has been mentioned at all. If this was the case, the prosecution really should have introduced the dual reason for the call. Now, they'll have to do it on redirect and it'll just look like he's lying because the defense caught him in a story.

I suspect today they got all the jurors.


What “paper” are you referring to? I don’t think there is any doubt that Trump wrote the checks to Cohen, which is 1/3d of the allegedly false business records. I agree that Cohen is an important witness but he is not the only link between Trump and the false business records.


My understanding is Cohen is the only one who can tie Trump directly.

Think about it this way: If they had a direct connection, they'd never put a convicted liar on the stand.


“Tie Trump directly” to what? To the scheme to kill bad stories before election? Pecker testified extensively about Trump’s role in that.


That's not what he's on trial for.


Actually, it is a very important part of what he is on trial for. Motive matters in most criminal cases, including this one. That is partly why the prosecution opened with Pecker. The fact that the payments were for campaign purposes, and not primarily for personal purposes, has been one of the key issues in the case.


The only criminal charge is falsifying business records. Everyone and everything else links Trump to the NDAs, the catch-and-kills, etc., but Cohen is the only one who puts the pen in Trump's hand telling Cohen to falsify the records. Stormy Daniels doesn't. David Pecker doesn't. Karen McDougal doesn't.

It's just Trump, Allen Weisselberg, and Cohen. And 2 of those 3 aren't testifying.


As I said just above, many of the false records are checks written by Trump. That puts the pen in Trump’s hand. As others here have noted, there are other facts further drawing the link. But, that is the simplest and clearest one.


For placing responsibility on Trump, that responsibility can come from illegal instructions, but I assume it can come from ratification? Even if Trump didn’t say “fix the business records to hide my misdeeds,” Trump is responsible if he asks his fixer to fix things and then he knowingly writes a check that contains false information or will be used to falsify business records. His knowing approval for the illegal business records is damning when the buck stops with him because they are HIS business records (or business records for which he is ultimately responsible.)

It is naive to think Trump can escape responsibility for fraudulent business records because we don’t have a written document signed by him in front of a notary with instructions for the fraudulent records. His responsibility comes from his instructions, approval, ratification, etc.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell
even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.






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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Barks&Purrs] [ In reply to ]
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Barks&Purrs wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
ike wrote:
JFHJR wrote:
monty wrote:
Listening to the talking head on the way home from swimming, it appears that the defense had their gotcha moment with Cohen. But after listening to what it was, seemed trivial to me. But they only have to get one juror to think it is something more, and it will be couched as 100% vindication!!!


IT was something to the effect that on that 90 second phone call where the talked about Stormy, that they also talked about a 14 year old who was stalking Cohen. Apparently that was not disclosed before, the part with the teenager. SO they asked Cohen if they talked about that, and he said yes, as well as the other thing..

So they will run with this and try and get someone to believe it was all about the kid, and not about Stormy and the money paid out. Even though every single witness before this corroborates this exact scenario.. But Cohen is a lying piece of shit, so even when telling the truth, hard to get him to be a witness with any creditability. Which is always the. case in criminal trials, you often have to use criminals to get other criminals...

Trump is pumping his fist, thinks he just won this thing, which in his eyes, he well may have. Just needs one juror...


If you weren't listening in real time, you should find a source that's reliable to read about it. It was much worse than your summary.

Cohen is the only connection between the "paper" and Trump. If they can't connect Trump to the paper, they have a problem.

Today, they painted Cohen as a liar, yes, but also a liar who would (and has) benefited from the lie, and one who was bent on revenge.

The call where Cohen linked Trump to the paper, turns out was possibly Cohen calling Trump's security about a 14-year-old who was cranking Cohen. There were text messages leading up to the phone call. The defense showed it's reasonable to assume the call (which lasted 92 seconds) was about the 14-year-old and not the Stormy stuff. And that Cohen is lying that he spoke about the Stormy stuff. Apparently, this is the first time the 14-year-old has been mentioned at all. If this was the case, the prosecution really should have introduced the dual reason for the call. Now, they'll have to do it on redirect and it'll just look like he's lying because the defense caught him in a story.

I suspect today they got all the jurors.


What “paper” are you referring to? I don’t think there is any doubt that Trump wrote the checks to Cohen, which is 1/3d of the allegedly false business records. I agree that Cohen is an important witness but he is not the only link between Trump and the false business records.


My understanding is Cohen is the only one who can tie Trump directly.

Think about it this way: If they had a direct connection, they'd never put a convicted liar on the stand.


“Tie Trump directly” to what? To the scheme to kill bad stories before election? Pecker testified extensively about Trump’s role in that.


That's not what he's on trial for.


Actually, it is a very important part of what he is on trial for. Motive matters in most criminal cases, including this one. That is partly why the prosecution opened with Pecker. The fact that the payments were for campaign purposes, and not primarily for personal purposes, has been one of the key issues in the case.


The only criminal charge is falsifying business records. Everyone and everything else links Trump to the NDAs, the catch-and-kills, etc., but Cohen is the only one who puts the pen in Trump's hand telling Cohen to falsify the records. Stormy Daniels doesn't. David Pecker doesn't. Karen McDougal doesn't.

It's just Trump, Allen Weisselberg, and Cohen. And 2 of those 3 aren't testifying.


As I said just above, many of the false records are checks written by Trump. That puts the pen in Trump’s hand. As others here have noted, there are other facts further drawing the link. But, that is the simplest and clearest one.


For placing responsibility on Trump, that responsibility can come from illegal instructions, but I assume it can come from ratification? Even if Trump didn’t say “fix the business records to hide my misdeeds,” Trump is responsible if he asks his fixer to fix things and then he knowingly writes a check that contains false information or will be used to falsify business records. His knowing approval for the illegal business records is damning when the buck stops with him because they are HIS business records (or business records for which he is ultimately responsible.)

It is naive to think Trump can escape responsibility for fraudulent business records because we don’t have a written document signed by him in front of a notary with instructions for the fraudulent records. His responsibility comes from his instructions, approval, ratification, etc.

Yes. Trump surely knows that checks are recorded in the ledgers. The checks themselves are (false) business records and they inevitably create additional (false) records when they are reflected in the ledgers.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell
even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.







Sure, because that is the only clip on Lawrence O'Donell. Ha. nice try. It was last night after yesterdays afternoon session. Try again.

Or you could just go to CNN where Anderson Cooper was raging about how bad Cohen had done.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SDG] [ In reply to ]
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SDG wrote:
Nutella wrote:
SDG wrote:
It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell
even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.








Sure, because that is the only clip on Lawrence O'Donell. Ha. nice try. It was last night after yesterdays afternoon session. Try again.

Or you could just go to CNN where Anderson Cooper was raging about how bad Cohen had done.

So as to not be confused with what clips you are referencing, how about you just link them for us?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Here's what the New York Times said about Cohan under cross;

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Cohen kept his cool.
He has been called a liar, a loser and a money-grubber in court. Through all of these attacks, Mr. Cohen has remained mostly calm, soft-spoken and deliberate on the stand.
Mr. Cohen also appeared unfazed as Mr. Blanche brought up slights and humiliations after Mr. Trump won the election in November 2016, potentially to provide a motive for Mr. Cohen’s testimony. But the witness largely stood firm, saying at one point that he was pleased with being Mr. Trump’s personal lawyer and that it was “the role that I wanted.”
The back-and-forth appeared to frustrate Mr. Blanche, who at one point rubbed his forehead after one of Mr. Cohen’s answers.

I looks to me like Donnie's lawyer was the one losing his cool!

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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [Nutella] [ In reply to ]
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Nutella wrote:
SDG wrote:
It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell
even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.


sdg is using the fat orange one's playbook. People are saying(i will at least give him credit for naming names)too bad the names he chose didn't back up his supposed bad day hypothesis.




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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [SWEDE63] [ In reply to ]
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I can't wait to see who the Defense calls. Anyone? Covfefe Himself?

I only swim.
I used to run. (31:09 10k.)
I never did Triathlon. (Sue me.)
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I am somewhat confused about the argument as to "cohen stole from trump."

According to trump, trump paid a retainer of 35,000 per month to cohen.

According to trumps lawyer, part of this money was supposed to go to paying a third party - and cohen pocketed some of this money.

How do you steal from the money that was part of your retainer?
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
SDG wrote:
Nutella wrote:
SDG wrote:
It was pretty unanimous yesterday across all news stations I saw ( MSNBC, CNN, hell
even Lawrence O Donnell) that Cohen went down in flames and came across as a self-serving liar with an axe to grind against Trump. DA surely must have someone else to rely on for what they needed from Cohen.

Even talk the DA may be in trouble for suborning perjury from Cohen as they knew he was lying. What a bad day in Court.








Sure, because that is the only clip on Lawrence O'Donell. Ha. nice try. It was last night after yesterdays afternoon session. Try again.

Or you could just go to CNN where Anderson Cooper was raging about how bad Cohen had done.


So as to not be confused with what clips you are referencing, how about you just link them for us?


Sure, Ill spot you while your Google is down. The first hit for free, but the next time you beep me you betta have 20, G...

"I think its devasting, I mean, for Michael Cohen's credibility... This guy's making it up as he's going along..."


https://youtube.com/...;si=lvvx2igtEvmxB7XC
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [sosayusall] [ In reply to ]
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From CNN:

"No," Cohen again testifies that $420,000 was not related to legal services
"Did 420,000 have anything to do with legal services" in 2017, Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger asked.
"No," Cohen said.
When you submitted each of your 11 invoices to the Trump Organization stating each was for services rendered pursuant to a retainer, was that true or false, Hoffinger asked.
"False," Cohen said."
Seems he's admitting to erroneously billing against the retainer and 'stole' (embezzled might be a better term) $420k. I didn't see any further details so perhaps my interpretation is incorrect.
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [mattbk] [ In reply to ]
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Cohen is the new Michael Avenatti... why does leftist media crush out on corrupt lawyers...? Because they talk shit about the orange dude. Wonder what Avenatti is up to these days...

https://youtube.com/...;si=Jx8Rnl9ZSSQU8HdK
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Re: Trump Hush Money Trail [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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But wasnt the retainer agreement made before all of the invoices sent? I dont know how Cohen could have sent 11 invoices for his retainer agreement, when the retainer agreement was set before these invoices were sent.

The timing of it doesnt make sense to me. from trumps arguments the stance is:
1. Cohen paid off stormy daniels because he loved trump.
2. Trump / cohen made retainer agreement set in January,
3. Part of this retainer agreement was for cohen to pay a third party X dollars - but not as a reimbursement?
4. Cohen paid third party y amount, and pocketed the rest.
5. Trump signed checks for retainer agreement for the retainer agreement.
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