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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Why? You need a basically competent person who aligns with the platform of the party (the party almost always has two wings). Who would be your ideal candidate? (pick from the past if the current crop is so lacking). The one thing farmore pathetic than a given candidate pool is the intellectually lazy "everybody sucks" attitude.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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I think that it was Malia who was pushing him, he was clearly coasting for 8 years ;).
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
Why? You need a basically competent person who aligns with the platform of the party (the party almost always has two wings). Who would be your ideal candidate? (pick from the past if the current crop is so lacking). The one thing farmore pathetic than a given candidate pool is the intellectually lazy "everybody sucks" attitude.

Because I want some new blood. Brown, Biden, Sanders, and Warren don't trip my trigger.

I could go for a Booker Gavin Newsome ticket.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Pick up the pieces of cervelogirls head after it explodes.
Be sure to bring toilet paper.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [triathlung] [ In reply to ]
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According to this lavender room, it can not.
#MAGA bitchez
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Shrug our collective shoulders and bow down to our new overlord, I guess?

Seriously though, no I wouldn't vote for him. I think IF some of his crazy tactics (if you can give him credit for actually employing 'tactics', and I'm on the fence about that) prove to be successful then it's a lesson for future negotiations and strategies. But his act is a net negative for the country, imo, no matter how you slice it. Even if the economy is humming and we've had some geopolitical successes, he's too negative and divisive and controversial. Trump has accelerated the widening gap between political and societal ideologies and in the long run I think that will be more harmful than any short-term, ten year economic and geopolitical successes could ever be.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
It seems the personal character and integrity of a President is no longer relevant to being elected. It's kind of like the quaint idea that Presidents should have military experience but looking back since Clinton, it seems that having military experience will just about guarantee you are not going to be in the Whitehouse.

Maybe Trump will set the standard that your personal life is your private business and anything goes as long as you are on the right team.

Define "right team." He never had the support of the GOP or Team Donkey during the entire election cycle. He never even had the support of the GOP early in his Presidency. So, what is this "right team" of which you speak?

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
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Everybody knew the bad about him and still elected the guy.


Everybody? Did I screw up my ballot?

Were you a state Elector? ;-)

How about: "Enough people in enough states cast ballots for him that he easily won the Electoral College and became our president, despite those same people knowing all the bad stuff about him"?

You guys can fight over this fellow all you want. Because I was the only one here smart enough to totally waste my vote on a non-binary Johnson/Weld ticket. So I get to sit up there in the Statler and Waldorf balcony and hurl gratuitous insults. LOL!

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:

Were you a state Elector? ;-)

How about: "Enough people in enough states cast ballots for him that he easily won the Electoral College and became our president, despite those same people knowing all the bad stuff about him"?

You guys can fight over this fellow all you want. Because I was the only one here smart enough to totally waste my vote on a non-binary Johnson/Weld ticket. So I get to sit up there in the Statler and Waldorf balcony and hurl gratuitous insults. LOL!
I think you'd find many of us here took the same approach, BK. I like being able to say 'I told you so' no matter the outcome of the election or the direction of the country afterward :)
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
trail wrote:
j p o wrote:

Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?


No.


Everybody knew the bad about him and still elected the guy. What? The badder-er stuff is going to cause him not to be reelected? Color me skeptical on that front, at least right now -- and barring some superstar Democrat that comes out of nowhere.


But would YOU vote for him?

BTW - this post was prompted by this guy:

A pastor closely linked to Donald Trump said he’s against sex with adult film stars but isn’t holding the alleged affair with Stormy Daniels against the president.

“Evangelicals still believe in the commandment: Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star,” Robert Jeffress told Fox News on Thursday. “However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.”

Jeffress, who is an evangelical adviser to the president, said Trump’s personal behavior isn’t an issue.

“Evangelicals knew they weren’t voting for an altar boy when they voted for Donald Trump,” he said. “We supported him because of his policies and his strong leadership.”

I didn't vote for the guy in the first place and I won't be voting for him in 2020 no matter what. I'm not a member of his fan club, in other words. But neither was I a fan of Felonia von Pantsuit. Lock her up, LOL! ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
oldandslow wrote:
Why? You need a basically competent person who aligns with the platform of the party (the party almost always has two wings). Who would be your ideal candidate? (pick from the past if the current crop is so lacking). The one thing farmore pathetic than a given candidate pool is the intellectually lazy "everybody sucks" attitude.

Because I want some new blood. Brown, Biden, Sanders, and Warren don't trip my trigger.

I could go for a Booker Gavin Newsome ticket.

So, basically the two most radical far leftists in politics today? Are we not heading to Armageddon fast enough for you?
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I voted for Trump. He wasn't my first choice in the primary, but it was an easy choice in the general. There was no way I wanted Hillary to win, and so my vote was more anti-Hillary.

If the country is doing well why wouldn't one vote for him again? Plus, who on the D side isn't a complete uber liberal from a national perspective? His moral failures are well known, the latest was years ago. The difference now is the media is on these stories like maggots in a gut wagon simple because its Trump.

You have to give him credit, he actually is trying to fulfill his campaign promises - surely that is refreshing even if you disagree with them.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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Back to the question. No. I wouldn't. Trump has cavalierly increased the deficit past $1Trillion dollars during a boom period. The best thing Obama did was drop the deficit from an eye-popping 1.2T to a still-too-high 400B (shout out to sequestration). Trump's approach should help for several years (my 401K salutes you!) but it will end badly. If there are only two choices, I'll take "tax and spend" over "borrow and spend".

When you go back and point to all your posts bitching about Obama increasing the debt by $10T I’ll take this post seriously.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [matt_cycles] [ In reply to ]
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Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment? Given what happened last election, I'm not sure who they would even match with him. Biden?

I think that's the biggest problem the Dems are facing, who to run against Trump. So far, the path is open to Trump winning again.

I actually think Trump's biggest obstacle is not the Democrat nominee but another Republican stepping up to challenge him.

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment? Given what happened last election, I'm not sure who they would even match with him. Biden?

I think that's the biggest problem the Dems are facing, who to run against Trump. So far, the path is open to Trump winning again.

I actually think Trump's biggest obstacle is not the Democrat nominee but another Republican stepping up to challenge him.

AS OF 3/9/18, the only ones that are being talked about to challenge Trump are the never Trumpers like Flake and Kasich. Those two, who most Dems love, make most conservatives vomit. For him to lose the nomination, I’d think he’d have to screw up NK, Russia, mess with guns to severely, Tariffs go badly, or combinations thereof.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe Trump will set the standard that your personal life is your private business and anything goes as long as you are on the right team.

Define "right team." He never had the support of the GOP or Team Donkey during the entire election cycle. He never even had the support of the GOP early in his Presidency. So, what is this "right team" of which you speak?

Whether Trump had the support of the GOP during the entire election cycle is kind of meaningless since the GOP nominated him and he is the President representing the Republican party.

The Republican party nominated him despite common knowledge of his personal life and were more than happy to set those aside to win. Both parties have shown a willingness to overlook personal character to win.



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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
Maybe Trump will set the standard that your personal life is your private business and anything goes as long as you are on the right team.

Define "right team." He never had the support of the GOP or Team Donkey during the entire election cycle. He never even had the support of the GOP early in his Presidency. So, what is this "right team" of which you speak?

Whether Trump had the support of the GOP during the entire election cycle is kind of meaningless since the GOP nominated him and he is the President representing the Republican party.

The President does not represent the Republican Party. POTUS does not represent either party. POTUS represents the United States of America.

Sanuk wrote:
The Republican party nominated him despite common knowledge of his personal life and were more than happy to set those aside to win. Both parties have shown a willingness to overlook personal character to win.

Once again, this has absolutely nothing to do with Trump being on the "right team." It has to do with Team Donkey putting up a candidate wholly incapable of winning a national election.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
Why? You need a basically competent person who aligns with the platform of the party (the party almost always has two wings). Who would be your ideal candidate? (pick from the past if the current crop is so lacking). The one thing farmore pathetic than a given candidate pool is the intellectually lazy "everybody sucks" attitude.
It's not that I think "everybody sucks". I just feel like Hillary meets the qualification you listed better than everyone on that list, and it wasn't good enough. You can't throw some standard politician at him, as he beat a whole slew of them on the right along with Hillary in the general.

Given the list you made, maybe The Rock has the best shot.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [spudone] [ In reply to ]
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Today Politico says Biden is your man:

https://www.politico.com/...en-trump-2020-448222

Good luck with that.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [matt_cycles] [ In reply to ]
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You are right, I meant to include "doesn't have extremely high negatives." That is what basically torpedoed Hilary.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [dry heat] [ In reply to ]
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Sanuk wrote:
Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment? Given what happened last election, I'm not sure who they would even match with him. Biden?

I think that's the biggest problem the Dems are facing, who to run against Trump. So far, the path is open to Trump winning again.

I actually think Trump's biggest obstacle is not the Democrat nominee but another Republican stepping up to challenge him.


AS OF 3/9/18, the only ones that are being talked about to challenge Trump are the never Trumpers like Flake and Kasich. Those two, who most Dems love, make most conservatives vomit. For him to lose the nomination, I’d think he’d have to screw up NK, Russia, mess with guns to severely, Tariffs go badly, or combinations thereof.

Why on the bolded, especially for Kasich. He is as conservative as they come and checks all the normal boxes. I'm curious what position he has taken that you vomit upon hearing.

Democrats don't love him. They would have just much rather had him as president than Trump. I disagree with almost every policy position he has. But I also think he understands the seriousness of government and knows that actions have real world consequences.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [blueraider_mike] [ In reply to ]
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the media is on these stories like maggots in a gut wagon simply because its Trump.
Agreed.. presidential money-laundering, possible collusion with a geopolitical enemy, and porn-star payoffs have been a common denominator in every administration since GWashington banged the well-known adult performer Betsy "Big Cannons" Ross back in 1773.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
j p o wrote:
Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?

No.

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Trump's a clown, but thank goodness for "checks and balances". Nothing awful has happened (yet). There's not another reality TV "star" who looks like they could beat him. He won't have any problems winning a 2nd term.

"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.
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