I'm sure this has been posted before, but this article does a pretty good job of explaining why the Australia gun reform will not work in the US.

http://thefederalist.com/...gun-control-fallacy/

don't know. didn't read it. i'm simply saying that i'd like to hear more from aussies themselves, and honor the fact that they probably understand their country better than non-aussies.

and that perhaps (i don't know) the reason gun violence is down in that country isn't whether it was 20 percent of 70 percent of guns that were turned in as it was that gun worship fell out of favor.

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Dan Empfield
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can you point me to the article in the federalist that shows what gun reform will work in the US?

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

There's no doubt that, among a subset of gun owners, the whole penis-compensation effect is in operation. Using that word "tactical" implies something military or police SWAT-y about the entire gun buying experience, I believe. You also see this in some militia-type folks who've never served a day in the military or with a police force who gear up in all sorts of "tactical equipment" before they head off to the range or out into the woods to play GI Joe. I don't think they're a large number, but they're there, nonetheless.

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Answer: NO "gun reform" will work. No law will prevent another mass shooting, when the hopeful shooter is determined enough, short of a law that requires complete and total confiscation of all privately owned firearms. What are the chances of that happening in your (or my) lifetime? Probably 0.000%

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I would guess that is more important than the actual law. That is what is happening here, with an enormous red/blue divide. Laws tend to mirror (and lag far behind) attitudes.

The issue is, you think a significant portion of gun owners "worship" guns. That simply is not true. How many bikes do you own? Why? You can only use one bike at a time?

Jeebus, you, of all people, should understand this. You run a freakin' website full of type A personalities who spend more money on bikes than most people in America spend on cars.


Do you know how many types of guns there are? Here is another problem - you think all guns are the same. That could not be further from the truth.

Let's look at a 9mm handguns. Every brand is different in terms of grip, grip angle, firing mechanism, size, etc., etc.

In Glock, we have the Glock 17, 19, 26, and 43. Then we have variants like the 19X and the 17L. Each is a different size and different usage.

In Beretta, we have the PX4 line which is COMPLETELY different than the 92 series.

Striker fire? Hammer fire? Rotating barrel? Tilt barrel? Full size, compact, or subcompact? Competition shooting? Concealed carry?


Bump stock b/c it is a fun range toy. But, I have already said in the LV shooter thread, there is no "practical" reason for these. 30 round mag, because I competition shoot and, when I go to the range, it is easier to target shoot w/o having to reload so frequently.


Aren't those two reasons reason enough?

Serious question - what is "legitimate need" for ammo? I try to go to range every other week. When I go, I shoot at least 500 rounds. Every time. For me, that what it takes to remain proficient and competitive. That is a minimum of 1000 rounds per month and I am likely closer to 1500/month. When my kids come home, they always want to go to the range. Sometimes they bring their significant others. Over Christmas, we went through around 3000 rounds. When I see free shipping on ammo, I almost always buy it and I buy it at least 1000 rounds at a time. So, at what rate would you set my ammo purchases?

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moderator's edit: sorry. no. we've been through this before. i'm unwilling to let this forum turn into the classifieds for those hunting for ammo. leave if you need to, but no can do that here.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

That bothers me as well. It has gotten to the point that even those in the industry poke fun at it, calling out people for their "tacti-cool" ARs and gear when they go to the range.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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I think it's less gun worship than military worship. The "tacti-cool" crowd are mainly SEAL/Ranger wannabe's. We glorify military service so much in this country that it's not very surprising that people want to identify with it in their dress, language, and hobbies. I'm certainly thankful for the role of the military in our country, but the current trend of falling all over yourself to kiss the ass of any person who served is somewhat overdone IMO.

i think this demonstrates my point that the federalist is a reliable publisher of articles against all forms of gun control that would actually work. so, it's useless posting links to propaganda.

but i'll grant you this: gun control won't work unless a culture of gun worship is eradicated. historically, when we've needed to change a culture, we led by changing the laws. as with cigarette smoking, clean water, clean food, workplace safety. we have laws against sexual harassment, child pornography and a lot of countries don't. when laws change, when a govt gets behind a necessary social change, that social change happens.

so let's get to work.

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

We make fun of these guys all the time:

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

A lot of the DEA guys at the airport dress in that stuff. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

stop f***ing buying guns and ammo. Laws won't do it, background checks won't do it, reducing violence in movies and video games won't do it. If the people stop f***ing buying guns and ammo, the violence will stop. Not in my lifetime perhaps, but in the lifetimes of my kids.

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Ha! That's pretty good! But, I am embarrassed to admit I bought a pair of Tru-Spec ripstop pants for range training. I was taking a 3-gun competition training course and we were up and down and I found jeans to be uncomfortable. Trainer told me to get the Tru-Spec. I was embarrassed for doing so, but, I bought a pair. They are awesome! I really, really miss BDUs (the cami-pajami) because they are so comfortable. So, I own the pants, but I only wear them to the range.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

See, the world is already safer.

There is a way we can stop drunk driving as well ...

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

i'll answer this post of yours as kind of an answer to your longer post to me. i guess it depends on what you call "significant". i'm willing to acknowledge that there is a legitimate use for multiple guns, but this post to which you refer, tacti-cool, this is what i'm talking about. and, btw, i don't care if you have a 1000 rounds of ammo for the range. i care if you have 20 rounds that are designed an d manufactured specifically to destroy humans.

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Dan Empfield
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OR MAYBE, we should buy all the guns and ammo to keep it away from the bad guys... I think both tactics have an equal chance of success.

no question that violence between men will stop once the guns are gone

Yes, but "government" as you call it is composed of elected officials, all of whom make the laws and they're not about to make any laws that would lead to "gun reform." Again; that's a recipe for getting booted from office posthaste. Maybe not in most of coastal California, but my guess is the remaining California congressional Republicans who are from the more conservative districts wouldn't touch gun reform, and especially not "gun control," with a 10-foot pole. And forget about any politician from the Democratic party who represents a red state, almost all of which are pro-gun ownership.

You also give your feelings away when you say "necessary social change." Good luck, as well, convincing most folks not in a blue state -- and especially those not in California -- that "necessary social change" should occur as regards guns. It's simply not going to happen in our lifetimes, and I doubt in the lifetimes of our children or grandchildren.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

That's a different discussion. But, it too is not as simple as you want to make it. Is there a legitimate/reasonable reason for a civilian to have armor piercing 5.56 rounds? Probably not. But, there are legit/reasonable reasons to have hollow-point rounds, which are designed and manufactured specifically to destroy humans.

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

Emery's Third Coast Triathlon | Tri Wisconsin Triathlon Team | Push Endurance | GLWR

What exactly is the difference? FMJ vs. hollow point? I don't think the FMJ is really much of a safety measure. Is range ammo less dangerous? Humans are small critters with light skin... Trying to clarify.

JSA wrote:

Ha! That's pretty good! But, I am embarrassed to admit I bought a pair of Tru-Spec ripstop pants for range training. I was taking a 3-gun competition training course and we were up and down and I found jeans to be uncomfortable. Trainer told me to get the Tru-Spec. I was embarrassed for doing so, but, I bought a pair. They are awesome! I really, really miss BDUs (the cami-pajami) because they are so comfortable. So, I own the pants, but I only wear them to the range.

I've done 3 gun a few times. And so has Keanu Reeves, who's apparently very good at it. Much, much better than I. :-)

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Did Politicians Tweeting ‘Thoughts and Prayers’ Receive Millions of Dollars from the NRA? Yes

List from 2017 here. Wonder how they tweeted yesterday.........
https://www.nytimes.com/...unding-senators.html