Why change anything.
Nothing is more American than mass shooting.
The USA is famous in the western world for mass shootings.

Gun sales have been down. This will probably give them a boost.

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“Read the transcript.”

A few thoughts (because I need to procrastinate just a bit more). Not necessarily at you JSA, but your brought the stats.
* 7105 murders by Handgun, I wonder how many of these guns fall into "Combat Style / Look" variety versus a .38 snubnose that was last cool in a 1960s copshow. (I know nothing about guns, but you know what I am getting at).
* Total guns all types 11,004 versus 2732 for Knives, Personal, Club / Hammer. Guns are designed to kill efficiently. Assault Riffles, Black Guns, old 30-06 with Wood Stocks etc etc etc
I do not know the answer as there are too many guns in the US already out there. Short of a military confiscation door to door (which would not go well) we will always have them in this country. However, it is without question that it is too easy for the wrong people to obtain guns. In addition, everyday more and more of the wrong people have them.
FWIW I am not a gun guy. In most cases, I look at guns the same way as I look at bikes. Fun toys that allow us to escape our day to day lives. However, the person who is 50lbs overweight that buys a P5x because they can, cannot do the same damage as the buy who buys an AR with all of the toys having a bad day or life.

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Then address that issue. Don't make asinine comments about people who exercise the responsibility that comes with gun ownership.

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sure. but i thought we were talking about this particular kind of thing. maybe it's my imaginzation, but it seems to me these large-fatality shootings are usually perpetrated with this kind of weapon. your typical murder, sure, you're right. mass shooting deaths, am i under a wrong impression as to the weapon usually used?

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Dan Empfield
aka Slowman

Handguns have been used in more mass shootings than any type of rifle, including "assault rifles."

https://www.cga.ct.gov/.../rpt/2013-R-0057.htm

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One problem is that for quite a while there has been virtually no time that has not been immediately on the heels of a mass shooting. If you make that the standard you can never have the conversation.

I'm in favor of a coherent system of gun control. But to do it, we are going to need a rewrite of the second amendment. Good luck with that.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

#2 is probably shotguns.

But by the list, I'm very surprised to see a Ruger Mk3

I disagree. There are numerous gun control laws that are not enforced and violations that are not prosecuted. Every time this topic comes up, I post a link to Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn's testimony before Congress when he was asked why he did not pursue the thousands of background check violations and he responded, "We're not in a paper chase."

What??? That's disgusting. That's irresponsible. That should be grounds for prosecution for misconduct in public office.

Give me a break. Enforce the laws on the books. That would be the logical start.

GRAHAM: When almost 80,000 people fail a background check and 44 people are prosecuted, what kind of deterrent is that? I mean, the law obviously is not seeing that as important…. We absolutely do nothing to enforce the laws on the books…

FLYNN: Just for the record, from my point of view, the point of a background check…

GRAHAM: How many cases have you made? How many cases have you made?

FLYNN: It doesn’t matter, it’s a paper thing. I want to stop 76,000 people from getting guns illegally. That’s what a background check does. If you think we’re going to do paperwork prosecutions, you’re wrong. […] We don’t make those cases. We have priorities. We make gun cases. We make 2,000 gun cases a year, senator, that’s our priority. We’re not in a paper chase. We’re trying to prevent the wrong people from buying guns. That’s why we do background checks. If you think I’m going to do a paper chase, then you think I’m going to misuse my resources.

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I don’t see why we’d need a rewrite of the 2A to put controls in place intended to keep guns away from ‘high risk’ individuals given the long list of current gun controls. I could imagine a broad PSA campaign, new laws, and harsh liability for those who enable access for ‘high risk’. To me, today, Sandy Hook, and Columbine MAY have been prevented with this approach.

(Btw, my wife says hello). ; )

I was watching FoxNews after Sandy Hook. They were interviewing an "expert in school shootings." That's the kind of country we live in. If only there was an easy way to significantly reduce the amount of school shootings.

Replying to the last post in the thread:

Violent PEOPLE will commit violent acts.

168 people were killed, including 16 children, when the Alfred P. Murrah federal building was BOMBED.

The BOMBING at the Boston Marathon a few years back did not involve firearms. Common, household pressure cookers.


Brett

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I don't disagree that enforcing current laws is a good start. But I suspect that my concept of coherent gun control goes somewhat further than your own.

Though I will say there is no obvious and clear answer even in my simple world where I am king.

What we are doing now is clearly not working well. But I think we are more likely to resolve the abortion debate than the firearms debate. Which is to say, not going to happen.

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I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.

probably because they are easier to get hold of. it doesn't mean that the other guns don't have the ability to cause more damage.

Twisted Stat... they account for far more mass killings then knives, fists or feet.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

But, as the statistics show, they are not causing more damage.

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No. Not even a little bit. See my latest response to Slowman. Keep up.

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Yup, this is now the American way... Every time one of these happens I comment this is just the American way now.

Oddly I don't get much reaction from either side on it. Because both of them are unwilling to compromise and actually do anything.

I think they passed the no bumpstop law, but even that little thing, I am not sure has been enacted. Sad, but true. America doesn't care, just another day.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Sorrrrryyyyy I reply as I read a thread, so your data... Will return to my normal comments on this topic.


Just another day in America. America has accepted this is the way of life.

Move along.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

See, here is the problem with this debate. Every fucking time we have this debate, we have a display of ignorance on the subject that makes having an intelligent discussion impossible.

People who know nothing about how guns work want to opine on what should and should not be outlawed.

People who do not know the facts about what type of firearms are used most often, even in mass shootings, want to opine on what types of firearms should be banned.

We bitch when health insurance companies opine on patient care over the opinion of the doctors treating the patient. But, then we accept that same level of ignorance on this topic.

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Whilst americans continue to display the negative attitudes towards gun control shown in this thread, school shootings will continue to be part of their culture.

Or we could demand law enforcement officials like Democrat Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn enforce the law.

GRAHAM: When almost 80,000 people fail a background check and 44 people are prosecuted, what kind of deterrent is that? I mean, the law obviously is not seeing that as important…. We absolutely do nothing to enforce the laws on the books…

FLYNN: Just for the record, from my point of view, the point of a background check…

GRAHAM: How many cases have you made? How many cases have you made?

FLYNN: It doesn’t matter, it’s a paper thing. I want to stop 76,000 people from getting guns illegally. That’s what a background check does. If you think we’re going to do paperwork prosecutions, you’re wrong. […] We don’t make those cases. We have priorities. We make gun cases. We make 2,000 gun cases a year, senator, that’s our priority. We’re not in a paper chase. We’re trying to prevent the wrong people from buying guns. That’s why we do background checks. If you think I’m going to do a paper chase, then you think I’m going to misuse my resources.

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17 confirmed killed (no word yet on the student/teacher/staff ratio) and unknown number of wounded.

Apparently, the 19-year-old shooter, Nikolas Cruz, had been expelled a few months ago and gave every indication that he was a bomb waiting to go off, including on his various social media pages and sites. But as far as we know, there'd been no intervention, either by law enforcement or social services-type agencies.

Cruz was legally an adult, so I don't know how much could have been done if he wasn't breaking any laws or actively threatening to commit mayhem against either the school or individuals associated with it.

I'm wondering if the school had any active shooter countermeasures or prior training of students and staff. Most likely not.

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Your not willing to give an inch. You can not deny removing XXX type gun would reduce / eliminate some weapons used in mass shootings. As you demonstrated in the other posts, when it comes to stat's around guns you can find stat's to make any point you want... Not worth discussing further..

Nothing is going to be done, the gun side won't give in on anything, and the anti gun folks wont give on allowing guns in gun free zones. Both refuse to move from their position. Both would rather have more of these then give up their position. AKA

Just another day in America. American's have accepted this as normal.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.

Just keep making my point..

Just another day in America.

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Just Triing
Triathlete since 9:56:39 AM EST Aug 20, 2006.
Be kind English is my 2nd language. My primary language is Dave it's a unique evolution of English.