My point exactly. "You suspect". You don't know anything but have ALREADY DRAWN YOUR CONCLUSIONS.

Please see above. Wait. let ti come out and then draw your own conclusions. Stop believing everything Maddow says.

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I dont think Wray knows what truth is.. Just like everyone else in this thread.

I'll agree no-one knows what the truth is. So we have to take a bet.

Red is: the typically-Republican / conservative-skewing FBI that arguably threw the election for Trump is in fact the fulcrum of a deep state conspiracy to get him elected but then kneecap his presidency because...they're bored. Far from being a grasping little tool, Carter Page is a professional, self-aware diplomat whose trips to and contact with Russia are beyond reproach. The FISA application to place him under surveillance likely runs 50-60 pages but to understand clearly all the evidence (or lack thereof) presented to the judge in the case you only need to read a four page summary prepared by grown up Draco Malfoy (who's now retiring), Trey Gowdy, under the direction of Nunes, a member of Trump's transition team who was supposed to have recused himself from this mess after being caught running round DC at midnight trying to gin up interest in the unmasking debacle - Republicans' last groundless attempt to distract from the Russia probe. Using a never-before employed public interest claim to release classified information to the public is in this case justified because torching America's faith in their premier law enforcement agency is right and necessary in the defense of the unfairly besmirched virtue of... Donald Trump. Republicans' refusal to release a counter-point memo addressing what Democrats feel is fact picking and inaccuracy in the Nunes memo is based on legitimate and non-partisan security fears that do not apply to the Nunes memo.

Black is: Literally anything else.

Where do you put your money?

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Neither.. How about, the FBI didn't try to throw the election for anybody. There were a certain few who thought Trump would never win so decided to not prosecute Hillary assuming she would win the election. As for the FISA warrants? I think there was some improper usage with them but don't know exactly what. I think that it should be investigated and it is. I also think you can't avoid involving the Russian collusion investigation becasue the 2 and the people involved are so closely related is almost impossible not to overlap them. I think both should be allowed to continue the investigations. Any wrong doing by either side, all should be prosecuted.

• I didn't say the FBI tried to throw the election I said they may, objectively, have done so. Whether the decision to reopen the email investigation was a canny bit of electioneering by a biased NY field office led by Giuliani or was just the professional dispatching of their duties after they found Wiener's laptop is anyone's guess - but we can talk intelligently about the impact and outcome.
• As for the FISA warrant (I think we're only discussing one), you think there was some improper usage but why do you think that? On what basis? Some republicans argue strongly that's the case but let's not forget that (a) one of the loudest voices claimed to have a deepthroat source confirming to him the existence of a secret society, then admitted that source was "probably twitter," then admitted the only reference to a "secret society" was "probably a joke" and (b) another of the loudest voices just invited one of chief proponents of pizzagate to the state of the union.
• I agree that if Republicans feel there were issues it should be investigated and I agree that that is happening. What I don't understand is why Nunes thinks how a sober and careful investigation is served by creating a media circus focused around his selection of information from classified materials that the public he's whipping into a frenzy will never get to see. It only makes sense if you accept that Nunes' only real goal is to discredit Mueller.

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It's being reported now that Trump has been commenting on multiple occasions that releasing report will undermine Mueller's investigation.

It would be stunning, if it weren't now so entirely predictable, to hear an American President attempting to discredit the FBI, run by his own appointee, in a naked attempt to save face.

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The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W

tv reporting wh wants some redactions, but fbi warned without complete facts then memo is still misleading. does faux still use fair and balanced????

My wife just forwarded me this video that a (slightly cuckoo) co-worker sent to her for some inexplicable reason.

If the video itself doesn't astound you enough, read some of the comments below it. People believe this shit??

For the Nunes memo: he says so.
Against the Nunes memo: Schiff says things are left out. FBI says things are left out. Nunes refuses to publish Schiff memo refuting Nunes' memo by stating what is left out.

And I'm the one who isn't thinking here?

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Worth a read

This is the (long) pull quote:

"Ryan, who has never served on the Intelligence Committee, seems not to understand the central bargain underpinning the creation of the intelligence committees after Watergate. In exchange for the intelligence community’s willingness to reveal closely guarded national secrets to a select group of members and staff for the purposes of oversight, the committees and the congressional leadership pledged to handle that information responsibly and without regard to politics.
That contract has now been spectacularly broken by the creation of a partisan memo that misrepresents highly classified information that will never be made public. Intelligence agencies can no longer be confident that material they provide the committee will not be repurposed and manipulated for reasons having nothing to do with national security. As a result, they will be far more reluctant to share their secrets with us in the future. Moreover, sources of information that the agencies rely upon may dry up, since they can no longer count on secrecy when the political winds are blowing. This is a grave cost for short-term political gain."

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don't think ryan is mensa material.....or mccarthy

Yes. You just said that you're listening to Nunes and Schiff. They're both partisan hacks with agendas.

Think for yourself instead of listening to partisan hacks.

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tyrod1 wrote:

tv reporting wh wants some redactions, but fbi warned without complete facts then memo is still misleading. does faux still use fair and balanced????

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Source? Not what I've seen reported. Here's WAPO's headline:

PowerPost
"Trump to approve release of GOP memo Friday after redactions requested by intelligence officials"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-expected-to-approve-release-of-memo-following-redactions-requested-by-intelligence-officials/2018/02/01/a55210e6-0757-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_congressmemo-650pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.08c6726640f0

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the reason Nunes gave for not releasing the dem memo was that the pub piece had been out for weeks, even having been looked at by the FBI; not so for the dem entry, and he said it needed the same scrutiny. I kind of bought that line, then I subsequently saw that Nunes made some change after the feds had perused...advantage dems now, but then the final seems to have been reviewed and redacted by intelligence guys, so fine with the Nunes memo coming out. No reason why dems can't have the FBI take a look and then call for release, and they should do so.

https://www.fbi.gov/...tement-on-hpsci-memo

Nunes won't share memo with burr head of senate intelligence committee before releasing. Nunes dum fuck on masking dum fuck period.

Speaking of dumb fucks... do you think you could try to write a complete sentence so we don't have to interpret what you are saying all the time?

Sorry for shorthand...guess dum fucks like u have problem.

*I guess *dumb fucks like *you have a problem.

I'm looking forward to seeing what's in the memo. With the Repubs wanting it released and the Dems wanting it kept private I imagine it shows some people in the FBI acting shady due to a political bias.

I'd wait for IG report if forthcoming fairly soon. Public has right at sometime soon to know both majority and minority viewpoint, same time if safe for our intel community. Given Nunes track record, I would be wary of anything he does. Let's see...Comey, Wray, Rosenstein, & Mueller are republican. Trump, republican. Trump would bitch if they used a clean rubber on him.

Seriously, read up a bit on this mess before commenting.

You could start here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/01/opinion/dont-believe-the-liberal-fbi.html


Start at the fourth paragraph if you don't want the opinion / color.

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You'll have to wait a bit, as the House web site crashed, probably because of this memo. See the damage releasing it has done?

(edit: can now get a response)

As expected, the memo is devoid of content. Really: the PDF is blank.

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I just heard a radio interview discussing the IG report and input from a former high level FBI contact. What they described was that Wray read some early draft of the IG findings and immediately removed McCabe. The reason was the classified emails from HRCs team that were found on Weiner’s laptop by NYPD that were copied and sent to McCabe and McCabe collaborated/conspired with a few others in the FBI to sit on the emails until after the election. Then, 3 weeks later one of the FBI team members got cold feet and told Comey. Comey then alerted Congress the very next day so he wouldn’t be caught up in the scandal.

According to this source they have McCabe stating they’re sitting on the info until after the election.

The sentiment is when the IG report is released some folks are going to jail.

I do not know if this info is accurate or credible. However, IF it’s accurate it then makes sense the Memo is being released today to start the narrative that there was an anti-Trump group in the FBI acting with nefarious intent as evidenced by the Memo then followed up by the IG report.

The only reason I could imagine Trump not running out with the interim IG findings is they want to start the narrative and let the IG supplement it.

This would also (to me) illustrate why the Dems are reacting so strongly.

We shall see.

Are you a 13 year old girl? The only people I know who use your "shorthand" are teenage girls. It makes you look like a moron, of course considering most of your posts...