So am I supposed to hate the FBI or not???

While I cannot speak to the specific details here on the use of “snipers”, I will say as someone who very regularly directed the use of snipers as part of military operations, there are multiple uses for the employment of people wearing that label. (Yes, I also acknowledge a HUGE difference in military and civilian ‘snipers’). As one who regularly emplyed snipers, 99% of the time I used them to observe and collect information about an area or specific place/person, not as a prelude to a shot. Most times for those missions I directed, a sniper shooting would translate in mission failure. Their main benefit is their ability to hide and report.

Again, I don’t claim to be an expert on civilian sniper employment and have no inside “scoop” on this particular case. I merely want to offer that their use sometimes involves something other than a reticle placed on a target’s head waiting on the call to shoot. Yes the optics (pun intended) can be poor, but snipers do a lot more than just shoot.

That accurately depicts what happened? Guys in suits show up are are reasonably cordial. Bundy points a gun at them and says "get off my lawn"?

Stating the obvious, once you start pointing guns at government officials, they're going to start pointing guns at you too.

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Yep. Bundy had racked up over $1M in fines and grazing fees, which he refused to pay. After several letters and court orders served by the local sherriff, the BLM sent agents to his home to collect the fines and direct Bundy to remove his cattle from federal land. Bundy greeted them at the door with two armed men and told them to leave. BLM agents then confiscated his cattle, which were still on federal land. Over 25 armed men took the cattle back from the BLM agents, at gun point. Soon thereafter, hundreds of "militia" showed up and started taking positions around the Bundy compound, aiming at federal agents.

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Showing up at his house, How exactly did they expect him to pay a 1 million dollar fine?? Did they want that in cash, or would a check do?

First and foremost, their purpose was to have him immediately remove his trespassing cattle from federal land. Second, was to get him to sign acknowledgment of his debt and set up a payment plan.

But, I see where you are going with this. I'm sure you feel it was unfair for the big bad government to show up in person to collect a legally-owed debt from a millionaire moocher. They should have just sent another letter. The hell with the fact that over a dozen notices, court orders, and subpoenas failed to elicit any action on his part.

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Been away for a while sorry. I had to respond to this...as your post is lavendorial misconduct.

Writing this off as a US Attorney being over his head is one of the biggest and most outright I seen since the 2016 campaigns. We now know that throughout the overall "Bundy" issue:

1) FBI agent was arrested/indicted for lying about taking negligent shots at Bundy supporters
2) FBI spent millions setting up a honeypot entrapment "fake documentary" which only proved that the Bundys were acting in self defense and praying for non violence
3) Undercover FBI agents provided alcohol to the Bundy idiots while they were armed so that they could document what they said/did afterwards
4) Repeated prosecution based on their religion (Mormon), per the BLM whistleblower
5) The prosecutor displayed extreme dismay when presented with exculpatory evidence from the whistleblower. He implied that the whistleblower should have kept it to himself
6) US Attorney hid 6 different types of exculpatory evidence from the defense.
7) The case had to be dismissed with prejudice due to the outright lies of MULTIPLE agencies of government, not just "One poor wittle overworked US Attorney" per your suggestion. sheesh.
8) The BLM Whistleblower was fired in retaliation for telling the truth and has to sue the government just to have his life back. He probably won't get it.

Here's a good read. It's from the Intercept which is closer to HuffPo than Fox News.

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/22/cliven-bundy-case-ranch-standoff-fbi/


I know you have worked with these folks but how can you continue to even suggest that they're honest and unbiased? The FBI appears to be the worst of the bunch, with the US Attorney's office in a close second place.


You / we simply cannot trust "Investigations" these days because they will find and prosecute whatever the hell they want...whether we're guilty or innocent.

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You might want to brush up on your facts here. You’re confusing two different things or conflating them to fit your narrative.

There is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal as to your points 2 and 3. Keep thinking there is though if it makes your tinfoil hat fit better.

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Funny. I figured I would get blasted for pointing out this guy was an Obama appointee who was in over his head. But, instead, you accuse me of defending his conduct. Not sure how you read it that way, but, o... k ...

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"Myhre is in over his head and blew the case. Plain and simple.". Those are your words.

They could not be more false or obfuscatory. Multiple government agencies either fabricated or intended to entrap citizens. Exculpatory evidence that was part of the entrapment operations was hidden from the defense in addition to multiple (hundreds of) other pieces of evidence. The FBI negligently shot at US citizens and then lied about it...before being indicted.

Multiple elements within the FBI, BLM and US Attorneys office have shown to be politically motivated, corrupt, unlawful and willing to do, say or create anything that fits their narrative.

It's a lot like us in the LR...but they're the government and they can (and do) put people like us in jail or kill us by their actions. We just yell at each other until we feel better about ourselves.

But please...tell us again how lowly lay people like us just don't understand the system and the folks at the FBI/DOJ are just dandy. You should know, you have told us that you worked with them on multiple threads.

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If you read anything on CNN pertaining to the bundies the whole "Bundy issue" i.e. the Oregon affair and the NV affair are discussed and connected. I'm simply following their lead.

Whether or not something illegal is up for debate...hell anything is these days.

Whether or not it's "wrong" is your opinion.

Regardless, #2 and #3 are simply facts. Sorry they don't fit your narrative.

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Is your tinfoil hat on too tight today?

Ho-ly shit. Seriously dude, you need medication. A LOT of it.

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