It takes people to create problems. It takes people to solve problems. It takes people to let problems linger. Ergo, it takes people to create shitholes. Countries have no agency without people. I thought it was clear that Trump was impugning an immigration strategy of randomly gathering from human cultural failure.

Edit: As I think about it, nature can create problems, too. However, my interpretation of "shithole" was the importance of the man-made component of the problems.

So taking the person who you think doesn't want refugees from shithole countries, why do you guess he doesn't want them? What do you "guess" is the basis for that decision?

I mean, you're not suggesting they don't want any refugees 'period' living in their house. You said you guess they wouldn't want refugees from those shithole countries living in their house? For what reason would they not want those particular refugees?

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serious question. do you ever actually contribute a meaningful original thought to any discussion, or do you just wave some pom poms and slap the backs of the conservative ball washers here, with the odd snide remark to boot?

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I don't believe that is a serious question

"rhetorical" probably more accurate

probably.

done with you now. Too dangerous. Good luck

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TH_JRjJtNSw

I'm reasonably well connected here. With my help, and a little luck, your application will DEFINITELY be rejected ;-).

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Long Chile was a silly place.

The thing that every defender missed with the "are these comments racist?" discussion was all the other things that Trump has already said.

Just for Haitians and Africans, we know that Trump has already said that all Haitians have Aids. He's also said that Africans live in huts.

Does this make it more or less likely that his shithole comments have a basis in race?

Then add all the comments about Mexican rapists, and defending tiki torch marchers and it seems well in line with a race based statement.

honest question here. Do you really think this? Do you really think they have missed what he has said before?

Rhetorical flourish. I meant "didn't give enough weight to"

My point was more that in saying that this is purely about attributes of countries (this country is bad, so what if he called it bad), what we also need to do is look at his statements in the context of all the other crap that he spews. In this case, given what we know what Trump has already said things with racial overtones - his comments about Hatians having AIDS and Nigerians living in huts being especially noteworthy- his subsequent comments about people from those countries should also be interpreted in light about what he has already said about them.

Trump is making it easy to tell who are the good people, and who are the bad.

Racial overtones? Your cherry picked context? No thanks.

I have a question. Why is it so important to get to racist? Why isn't a critique of any particular policy good enough?
In this case I have to admire JasoninHalifax for his ability to approach these matters -- whether we agree or disagree.
Ignorant people telling you how you really feel about an issue gets old fast.

I’m not sure there is such a thing as a refugee from a country that’s not a shithole so refugee and shithole country go together for me. l can see why your confused though so apologies for that. Curious, what trap is it that you’re trying to set here?

I have just waded through 8 pages of nonsense.

The Trumpsters just can't admit that their Mandarine hero is a out and out racist.

No surprise. If you admit a guy you like is a racist, that will make you have to examine your own outlook.

So the knee jerk reaction is to deny, obfuscate or just avoid the discussion.

But we all know the fucking fat dotard is a racist. We ALL do.

Some of us just don't want it to be true. No point in arguing with those guys. They are truly afflicted with TDSDS.

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"There is absolutely no false equivalency here. Trump is saying - we do not want to bring into this country people who cannot contribute and will be a drain on resources. That is exactly the model employed by the Canadians. They are doing exactly what Trump is suggesting. "

No, that's not what he said. He said, “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

He didn't reference any skill sets of the individuals, only the shittiness of their countries of origin.


Being FROM a country and having a skill set are not analogous. The fact that they may end up with the same result is irrelevant.

What IS analogous is comparing Canada's immigration standards to your offices hiring practices. 13% of Americans are black, yet only 3% of lawyers are black. If you want lawyers working for you, you likely won't have an office with a lot of black people in it. That is WAY different than specifically not wanting to hire black people.



FWIW, that post wasn't for you, since you wouldn't understand it anyway. That's for everyone else to see just how idiotic your argument is.

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How is it cherry-picked? All I'm saying is that when Trump says something that we should fit it into the context of things he's already said. Those things can also be interpreted as racist. Sure, one a off here or there could well be a misunderstanding, but when you get enough of these types of statements a bigger picture emerges. Should I have picked a better context? A different set of statements that Trump has already said? Yes - I fully appreciate that the context of his statement in regards of a discussion on a particular policy. Fine. But when the same words come from someone who on other occasions made remarks that have prompted other "is he racist?" threads then do we not fit those comments within the broader context of what that person has said? I brought up Hatians and Aids and Nigerians in Huts because they're the two comments that are most applicable to these comments, but I could just as easily have brought up Tiki torches or the things he's said about Mexicans.

Let me ask you this question: Let's say that this is a one off and he really didn't mean what I think he means. Fair enough. Why should we give him the benefit of the doubt?

To be honest, I don't think its important to "get to racist" in the sense of gotcha politics and I'm not one to go around hunting for elements of racism in everyday life where none otherwise exists - but the title of the thread deals with whether or not Trump is a racist so its clearly within the scope of discussion.

LOL!!! Like I said, Barry - too many blows to the head from a padded sword!

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When your 'liberal elite, bleeding heart physician cousin' starts posting here with cogent comments about how the state of affairs in Haiti is NOT that of a shithole, I, for one, will take note. Otherwise, you are just some poser liberal trying to hijack the good that your cousin is trying to do in this world and paint yourself with the same broad brush. That's pretty....low.

Greg

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If you are a Canuck that engages in gratuitous bashing of the US, you are probably on my Iggy List. So, save your self a bunch of typing a response unless you also feel the need to gratuitously bash me. If so, have fun.
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

Obama changed all of that before Trump ever showed up. In truth, it was Obama that made Trump president, much like CNN gave rise to FOX.

Greg

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"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f___ things up" - Barack Obama, 2020

The vocal ones are hiding behind hucksters like this jerk.

And then there are plenty of us who think differently and have stepped outside of the church & don’t associate with it & speak against what he stands for. We aren’t all for the guy, and frankly we’re not homogeneous in belief. Honestly, as a Christian thinker, I’m atheistic against the god the vocal American fundamentalists tend to espouse, a violently imperial god of those who vocally supported Trump. Personally, I think his stances are, by and large, antithetical to the teachings of Christ.

I'll clearly grant you that your comment is within the scope of this discussion. At the same time, this discussion is just a microcosm of the national tribal desire to "get to racist". You may not watch TV -- and I don't watch much either -- but trust me this didn't start here in the LR.

That is delusional.

It might imply that if you are a racist who views everything in terms of skin color. Reasonable people can look at the reality of those countries and the value potential immigrants can add to the economy.

The bigots are crying about what the implications a merit based immigration policy will mean for candidates from "white" countries while ignoring those who will benefit the most: Indians. Last time I checked Indians are distinctly not white, non-Christian as well. Indians applying for green cards are highly educated [A masters degree plus two bachelors, one from the U.S. and one from India, is practically a minimum], usually speak decent English, are law abiding, and assimilate well, yet the wait time is ridiculously long. We should allow in uneducated people from shithole countries instead of Indians?

 
Irrelevant as it is, at least you got the hobby right this time (I actually know when and where that picture is from. Guy on the left is a friend of mine).

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