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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
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The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !

OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!

And he wasn't even French

He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
softrun wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
cerveloguy wrote:
Jim @ LOTO, MO wrote:
Perhaps he should go to Normandy and read the names on those 9,387 headstones.

If not for U.S. soldiers, that twit would be speaking German, not French.


He probably already speaks German as most Europeans I've ever met are usually multi-lingual. But yeah, the comment was over the top.


Lived in Italy. It's easy to be multilingual when your forefathers basically whored themselves out around the Continent for centuries, and you live about a 30-minute drive away from another language. ;-)


I am from Europe and speak four language (front door bragging :-) ). It is easy to do so as we in Europe have the tendencies to move borders every once in a while :-)


In all seriousness, the flip side of this (as anyone who's played Risk is shirley aware) is that France, being essentially in the center of the continent, is awfully hard to defend. The same advantage to ease of traveling there as a tourist nowadays has always been a massive disadvantage when it comes to the ease of getting there for foreign armies, with little in the way of natural geographic or climatic barriers to help ward off invaders and being vulnerable on multiple fronts. It's easy to poke fun at them today for such a dismal military history and write it off as a function of their cultural psyche, but I've always thought it was kind of a chicken/egg deal of having it beaten into them over many generations at least in significant part due to inherent geographic disadvantages.

ETA... My boy likes to study linguistics, and how it's reflective of cultural history; our favorite example of the fluidity of borders and the mingling of languages in western Europe over the centuries is that 'mushroom' in German is simply the French word for mushroom (the distinction being something found in nature as opposed to a borrowed term for a prepared food item such as croissant or schnitzel).

Kind of reminds me of Israel.

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Re: How Do Yous Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [EndlessH2O] [ In reply to ]
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EndlessH2O wrote:
Steve Hawley wrote:
When my daughter took french in HS i told her you only need to learn two words--"I surrender."

she was not amused :-(


Freedom Fries!

MAGA!

;-)

/r


Did you also tell her the joke about how you found WWII French Rifles on EBay with the description "Never used. Dropped Once."?

Or why do the French line there roads with trees?



To provide shade for the Germans.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [Jim @ LOTO, MO] [ In reply to ]
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If not for the French during the American revolution we'd all be speaking English. Oh wait...


Jim @ LOTO, MO wrote:
Perhaps he should go to Normandy and read the names on those 9,387 headstones.

If not for U.S. soldiers, that twit would be speaking German, not French.
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Re: How Do Yous Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [patf] [ In reply to ]
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patf wrote:
EndlessH2O wrote:
Steve Hawley wrote:
When my daughter took french in HS i told her you only need to learn two words--"I surrender."

she was not amused :-(


Freedom Fries!

MAGA!

;-)

/r


Did you also tell her the joke about how you found WWII French Rifles on EBay with the description "Never used. Dropped Once."?


Or why do the French line there roads with trees?



To provide shade for the Germans.

LOL! Forgot that one.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
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The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !

OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!

And he wasn't even French

He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?

If you're not pedantic then sure
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
ETA... My boy likes to study linguistics, and how it's reflective of cultural history; our favorite example of the fluidity of borders and the mingling of languages in western Europe over the centuries is that 'mushroom' in German is simply the French word for mushroom (the distinction being something found in nature as opposed to a borrowed term for a prepared food item such as croissant or schnitzel).

Ummm ... your son might want to take a more careful look at that. "Mushroom" in French is "champignon", a word that almost any Western person knows due to the proliferation of French cuisine. Yes, if you say "champignon" to a German, they will likely understand, as would a Swede or an American.

But "mushroom" in German is "pilz".
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [axlsix3] [ In reply to ]
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If not for the French during the American revolution we'd all be speaking English. Oh wait...



Jim @ LOTO, MO wrote:
Perhaps he should go to Normandy and read the names on those 9,387 headstones.


If not for U.S. soldiers, that twit would be speaking German, not French.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWUaT5ovZ50
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [eb] [ In reply to ]
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eb wrote:
OneGoodLeg wrote:

ETA... My boy likes to study linguistics, and how it's reflective of cultural history; our favorite example of the fluidity of borders and the mingling of languages in western Europe over the centuries is that 'mushroom' in German is simply the French word for mushroom (the distinction being something found in nature as opposed to a borrowed term for a prepared food item such as croissant or schnitzel).


Ummm ... your son might want to take a more careful look at that. "Mushroom" in French is "champignon", a word that almost any Western person knows due to the proliferation of French cuisine. Yes, if you say "champignon" to a German, they will likely understand, as would a Swede or an American.

But "mushroom" in German is "pilz".

OK, I'll file that away. Is it a regional thing, or has it always been so? We were taught champignon when I studied Deutsch in college, anyway.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [OneGoodLeg] [ In reply to ]
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
eb wrote:
OneGoodLeg wrote:

ETA... My boy likes to study linguistics, and how it's reflective of cultural history; our favorite example of the fluidity of borders and the mingling of languages in western Europe over the centuries is that 'mushroom' in German is simply the French word for mushroom (the distinction being something found in nature as opposed to a borrowed term for a prepared food item such as croissant or schnitzel).


Ummm ... your son might want to take a more careful look at that. "Mushroom" in French is "champignon", a word that almost any Western person knows due to the proliferation of French cuisine. Yes, if you say "champignon" to a German, they will likely understand, as would a Swede or an American.

But "mushroom" in German is "pilz".


OK, I'll file that away. Is it a regional thing, or has it always been so? We were taught champignon when I studied Deutsch in college, anyway.

If you were taught 'champignon' in a German class than it's probably more regional than I realized!

I've lived in the Rhineland and it's predominantly "pilz" there - but people use 'champignon' too. But in Austria (where I have family) you'll hear "pilz" and "schwammerl" an awful lot more than "champignon".

Comparing the wikis on the two words (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champignons, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilze) would seem to indicate that 'champignon' is more specific, 'pilz' more general.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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The answer to your question is "Va te faire foutre." If you want to be more formal, "Allez vous faire foutre."

Funny that the gnomes translate the first as KMA, the second as "Screw you". Translation engines don't seem to do well with colorful vernacular.

Maybe we can get somebody with a humanities degree to work on that!
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
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The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure

Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
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The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure

Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)

Google is your friend
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Quote:
The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure


Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)


Google is your friend

I should have been more precise. As ruler of the Frankish Empire -- which encompassed all of modern-day France, Martel -- who was Germanic -- could claim his victory at the Battle of Tours/Poitiers, against the Muslim hordes of Abdul Rahman, as a Frenchman (if that term was around then), if that suited him. The Latin name of the Franks was "Franci" and they gave their name to the later kingdom of France.

So really, he really was the last Frenchman to successfully defend the borders of France and repel a foreign invader. Hahahahaha!

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Quote:
The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure


Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)


Google is your friend

I should have been more precise. As ruler of the Frankish Empire -- which encompassed all of modern-day France, Martel -- who was Germanic -- could claim his victory at the Battle of Tours/Poitiers, against the Muslim hordes of Abdul Rahman, as a Frenchman (if that term was around then), if that suited him. The Latin name of the Franks was "Franci" and they gave their name to the later kingdom of France.

So really, he really was the last Frenchman to successfully defend the borders of France and repel a foreign invader. Hahahahaha!

I meant for the definition of pedantic
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Quote:
The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure


Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)


Google is your friend


I should have been more precise. As ruler of the Frankish Empire -- which encompassed all of modern-day France, Martel -- who was Germanic -- could claim his victory at the Battle of Tours/Poitiers, against the Muslim hordes of Abdul Rahman, as a Frenchman (if that term was around then), if that suited him. The Latin name of the Franks was "Franci" and they gave their name to the later kingdom of France.

So really, he really was the last Frenchman to successfully defend the borders of France and repel a foreign invader. Hahahahaha!


I meant for the definition of pedantic

Damn! And here I was in full-on pedantic historian mode!! ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Deutschland uber alles! That would have a better impact than GFY.

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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
windywave wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
Leddy wrote:
Quote:
The French found out the geographic realities of a defense in depth (or the lack thereof) the hard way with their Maginot Line. They have a difficult border to reliably defend, from a military standpoint


How would they know, they've never accomplished that !


OH, SNAP! ;-)

I didn't mean to turn this into an indictment of La belle France in whole or in part. Just that ambassador.

But I do think that the last Frenchman to really kick a$$ on the border and such was probably Charles Martel in 732 CE. LOL!


And he wasn't even French


He was a Frank. Good enough for government work, right?


If you're not pedantic then sure


Sorry, but I don't have any foot problems that I know of. ;-)


Google is your friend


I should have been more precise. As ruler of the Frankish Empire -- which encompassed all of modern-day France, Martel -- who was Germanic -- could claim his victory at the Battle of Tours/Poitiers, against the Muslim hordes of Abdul Rahman, as a Frenchman (if that term was around then), if that suited him. The Latin name of the Franks was "Franci" and they gave their name to the later kingdom of France.

So really, he really was the last Frenchman to successfully defend the borders of France and repel a foreign invader. Hahahahaha!


I meant for the definition of pedantic

Damn! And here I was in full-on pedantic historian mode!! ;-)

Side note... using your logic to make him french makes him Belgian
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.

Little late to the party...that joke already used
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Halvard wrote:
Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.


Little late to the party...that joke already used

And you confirmed the joke with your answer.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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windywave wrote:
Halvard wrote:
Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.


Little late to the party...that joke already used

But still funny the 20000th time around. But just think of it - had the British won, you'd have much better gun control laws, a better health care system and could proudly call yourself the 11th Canadian province. AND - you could travel to Cuba without any restrictions whatsoever.
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [Halvard] [ In reply to ]
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Halvard wrote:
windywave wrote:
Halvard wrote:
Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.


Little late to the party...that joke already used

And you confirmed the joke with your answer.

France: the Halvard of Europe, fold when they aren't threatened. (You still haven't answered if you felt intimidated by the Forge's innocuous comment)
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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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cerveloguy wrote:
windywave wrote:
Halvard wrote:
Americans should not be mad at France.
If it had not been for France during the revolution, all you Americans would have spoken English now.


Little late to the party...that joke already used

But still funny the 20000th time around. But just think of it - had the British won, you'd have much better gun control laws, a better health care system and could proudly call yourself the 11th Canadian province. AND - you could travel to Cuba without any restrictions whatsoever.

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Re: How Do You Say "Go Fu*K Yourself" in French? To the French Ambassador? [windywave] [ In reply to ]
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Re. when criticizing the French military we need to remember how the geography makes France so difficult to defend. Not the geography. The leadership just wasn't committed.

WW1. One of the take-aways from the "Guns of August" is that the French wanted WW1 as much as the Germans. The French were planning to strike into the S of Germany and drive all the way to Berlin. They saw that the Germans were moving forces N to attack into France on an axis well N of their own planned attack and they were good with that. They reasoned that every German unit that got pulled N made their sector weaker. The French weren't too interested in moving their own forces N to counter the Germans. They were all about audacity. They didn't need artillery because of "audacity". They didn't need logistical support because "audacity".

Because the French were in the S and the Germans were in the N. ~80% of the French Army faced about 10% of the German Army. On the first day of the French attach, they pushed about 10km into Germany. On the 2nd day they were thrown back. But we never hear about this, because WW1 is all about German aggression.

Pre WW2. A couple years ago I listened to the 3 volume Churchill biography by Manchester. It's a fascinating look at the Brits from Victorian times to the 50's. I learned a lot. One of the interesting take-aways was all the opportunities that the French and Brits had to stop Hitler prior to him become a real threat. Apparently there were numerous times when either German politics or German generals would take him down, as soon as he over-reached. But he didn't over-reach. The French and, to a lesser extent the Brits, backed down each time. An example is the Rhineland, a sizable region between Germany and France that was demilitarized after WW1. The German generals were just sure that if Hitler carried out his plan, France would march into the Rhineland and set things to rights, and the German generals would use the resulting loss of face to take down Hitler and shoot him.

But, to the enormous aggravation of the German generals, Hitler's mad plan to march troops into the demilitarized Rhineland succeeded. The Germans marched in some token force and the million strong French Army, instead of using some of that audacity, wrung their hands and wanted to consult with the Brits on the issue for a couple months. So one more win cemented Hitler's power.

WW2. Still drawing from the Manchester book...recall that the invasion of France was totally predictable. A state of war already existed after Germany invaded Poland. But even in the final months before Germany attacked Poland, France was still selling heavy artillery and tanks to customers around the world, instead of keeping them for their own use. The French leadership was never serious. The French had a bigger Army and in some important areas, better equipment. And they got steamrolled. That's not the fault of the guys at the pointy end, that's a leadership problem.

If you read about the battle of Stalingrad, you'll read about some Russian Infantry platoon that was holed up in some stout building at the edge of no-mans land. The Germans attacked that building over and over again and the platoon did serious damage to the Germans. That single platoon of Russians, prob 20 dudes, were responsible for more German casualties then the French caused in the defense of Paris.

That said. I've worked a bit with the French Foreign legion. Those guys are hard SOBs.

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