Step one: Issue retarded travel ban that won't stop any terrorists from being terroristic.

Step two: use terrorist attack by someone from a country not on the travel ban list to justify retarded travel ban.

Sounds about right. #fakenews #cnnisunfair

http://edition.cnn.com/...&linkId=33895816

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Of course, that was almost 16 years ago, so basing policy on the make up of the 9-11 teams doesn't exactly make a whole lot of sense. Not to mention the fact that the Saudi government is far more vigilant about terrorist or terrorist-leaning individuals in their country than probably any other on the list.

This is not to say I am a fan of the new policy; I'm not. But to say Saudi Arabia should be on the list because of something that happened in 2001 doesn't make much sense to me.

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Trump's new policy is simple grandstanding. There's a Cato Institute study that's being widely quoted regarding the risk faced by Americans due to foreign born terrorists. Among other statistics, the number of Americans killed since the 9/11 attacks by any, much less foreign born terrorists, is very small.

"From September 12, 2001, until December 31, 2015, 24 people were murdered on U.S. soil by a total of 5 foreign-born terrorists, while 65 other foreign-born terrorists attempted or committed attacks that did not result in fatalities. During the same period, 80 people were murdered in terrorist attacks committed by native-born Americans and those with unknown nationalities. The number of murders committed by terrorists who are native-born or have unknown nationalities is higher than the number committed by foreigners in pre- and post-9/11 United States."

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/pa798_1_1.pdf

Simple solutions for simple minds.

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"Human existence is based upon two pillars: Compassion and knowledge. Compassion without knowledge is ineffective; Knowledge without compassion is inhuman." Victor Weisskopf.

Hey, one American killed on American soil by a terrorist is one too many, OK?

Now, Americans killed by americans... Apparently 15000 is not enough to do anything about.

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Not to mention the fact that the Saudi government is far more vigilant about terrorist or terrorist-leaning individuals in their country than probably any other on the list.

The Saudi government is vigilant in their own country because the Saud family is concerned with stability and staying in power, not because they are concerned with terrorists who want to harm the West. The Saudis lead the world, by a long shot, in exporting terrorism. They currently fund about 24,000 Madrasses in Pakistan and those Madrasses teach Wahhabism, a radical brand with an anti-Western militancy.

The number of Muslim terrorists who have killed Americans on U.S soil is so low that the U.S should look to them as an example of how to lower the rate of murder by Americans against other Americans.

Also, the vetting process already exists. It can take up to 2 years for an immigrant from Somalia to come to the U.S. The fear mongering is out of control.

Sarcasm noted. However, look at the OP. If he wants to keep us safe, why is he only banning muslims from countries who have not attacked us, and not banning them from countries who have?

Anyone remember way back when Bin Laden attacked us and he was from Saudi Arabia, and training people in Afghanistan and hiding in Pakistan.......so we invaded Iraq?

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You mean bin Laden.

Listen, sucking on Trump's balls is the exclusive territory of Duffy around these parts.

Spewing complete incoherence and illogical arguments that have no basis in reality or facts is the territory of several others, but even our craziest here know better than to go off on the Alex Jones talking point bandwagon as you've done.

So, have you anything of your own to contribute here?

Use this on him:

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I don't care about all those people killed by radical Islamist in this country


Since 9/11, how many Americans have been killed by radical Islamists in the U.S.?


The risk in the U.S isn't from immigrants coming in, it is from the people in the country that have been radicalized from people outside or from the Mosques in the country. If you want to reduce the risk of terror attacks in the U.S., you have to start working on ways to deal with the threats within the borders. Anything else is just for show and politics.

Here is a conclusion from "Terrorism and Immigration: A Risk Analysis" performed by the Cato Institute.


..."Foreign-born terrorism on U.S. soil is a low-probability event that imposes high costs on its victims despite relatively small risks and low costs on Americans as a whole. From 1975 through 2015, the average chance of dying in an attack by a foreign-born terrorist on U.S. soil was 1 in 3,609,709 a year. For 30 of those 41 years, no Americans were killed on U.S. soil in terrorist attacks caused by foreigners or immigrants. Foreign-born terrorism is a hazard to American life, liberty, and private property, but it is manageable given the huge economic benefits of immigration and the small costs of terrorism. The United States government should continue to devote resources to screening immigrants and foreigners for terrorism or other threats, but large policy changes like an immigration or tourist moratorium would impose far greater costs than benefits..."


It's fear mongering, plain and simple.




https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/terrorism-immigration-risk-analysis

Yep. Fixed it. (Freudian slip on my part?) =)

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Correction: Its fear mongering, except when it affects business, hence the countries not on the ban.

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If you think the choice of countries had to do with Trump's business interests, you're probably misinformed about where the list came from.
https://sethfrantzman.com/...media-wont-tell-you/

But but but but OBAMA!!!!!!

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

If you think the choice of countries had to do with Trump's business interests, you're probably misinformed about where the list came from.

Please tell me you're kidding.

Please tell me you actually read it.

I'm not apologizing for Trump. I'm more than happy to discuss/argue that this was a stupid idea. But let's do it on the merits of the facts, not on unsubstantiated accusations that don't hold up to scrutiny.

What most people fail to understand is the reason terrorists attack. Their government is selling off their oil to us, and the majority of the subjects get zero of the profits while their rulers get most or all of it. That is why you get terrorists from the countries we do business with - they are pissed that they are poor (you'd be mad too, bro) and why we are the ones they are mad at. While they are poor and living in dirt and sand, we are driving around in nice cars with big houses with the profits from their oil. That's also why Trump's not banning those countries - because we are doing business with them. It's a catch-22. You don't want to anger the countries we do business with, but it's the countries that we do business with that are pissing off their citizens. Religion just provides the convenient vessel to carry/excuse/shape the hate.

If the kings-and-such shared the profits and generated a middle class instead of keeping all the money to themselves, they'd be happy and not even think about how we're different. The arabs that do have lots of money driving around in their Bugatti Vareons don't spend a lot of calories building bombs to kill filthy Americans.

People arguing about this need to think a level deeper and we need to be working on demanding their kings share the wealth and create a middle class. Terrorists are the symptom, not a cause. You'll never stomp out the fire unless you turn off the fuel.

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I have to agree with you on the "desire to create 100% safety from any attack..." We've been told through the media that "we're trying to protect the US from further terrorist attacks, etc." It's been a constant since 9/11. So, any action that's being done now is "because of terrorism." "We're trying to keep all Americans safe, etc." Personally, I think we have more to be concerned about from within than without. Just my observation.

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The answer to your post and Barry's question has already been given; the Obama admin had chosen these as countries of concern. The Trump order did not even name any country other than Syria, but referenced Obama era docs for the list.
This guy covers it decently:

https://sethfrantzman.com/...media-wont-tell-you/

CNN Piece that you can divine the truth from:

http://edition.cnn.com/...nation-ban-refugees/

Example from Obama years:
"As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said. In 2011, fewer than 10,000 Iraqis were resettled as refugees in the U.S., half the number from the year before, State Department statistics show. "
http://abcnews.go.com/...es/story?id=20931131

The answer to your post and Barry's question has already been given; the Obama admin had chosen these as countries of concern.


The reason I asked if he was kidding is because there is a difference between raising concern about some countries and banning immigrants.


The pretense that this action will make the country safer is a joke. The immigrants coming into the U.S do not kill Americans. The only way to keep Americans safe in America is to ban Americans, they are the ones doing the killing.


I feel like I'm in a bizarro world to be honest. Facts and common sense seem to have no place here.

What about the answer to my OP? "Because Obama" doesn't answer that.

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Probably does. The Obama stuff was already in place, Trump was able to use it for quick action. Certainly some valid questions about why those countries and not others, but those same questions would have gone to the previous admin, so we have their answers...right? (I'm thinking that well before the election, Obama was in talks with Trump and made sure to protect Trump's investments, just in case...yeah, yeah, that's it. )

Have you ever been to Saudi Arabia? The ruling family spends a boatload of oil cash to keep their citizens happy. The majority of Saudi citizens are not poor.

Here's a good article you may want to read: http://www.wsj.com/...t-shrinks-1482415526

Quote: "For decades oil money allowed the Saudi monarchy to spend generously on benefits for its citizens, who pay no tax. The prolonged strain on the kingdom’s finances is beginning to shift that social compact."

The Saudis are actually working hard now to try and wean themselves off of all the oil cash. You need to dig deeper and read a few books about Islamic terrorism because you are waaaaay off the mark here. I suggest "The Age of Sacred Terror" as a good start, along with "The Looming Tower."

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Many of those countries like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, etc are welfare states where oil cash and many govt jobs gonto citizens. Most of the problems they face are from non-citizens. Especially groups like Palestinians.

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