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Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush
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Imagine that. We have a lame duck president for the next 39 more months. That is a long time, longer than we can afford one in a dangerous time. I am almost starting to feel sorry for Bush. But I disabuse myself of that notion when I remember how he exercised power so arrogantly when he had his way, when no one stood in his way. That's the funny thing about power. Just when you think you have a monopoly on it, it evaporates. And then there are few allies left to help you regain it.


A Long Rocky Road, With 39 Months to Go
By TODD S. PURDUM
New York Times

WASHINGTON, Oct. 27 - George W. Bush has been in the White House for 248 weeks, through a terrorist attack, two wars and a bruising re-election. But it seems safe to say that he has never had a worse political week than this one - and it is not over yet.

"I think all bets are off," said former Senator Warren B. Rudman, Republican of New Hampshire. "Who knows what's next?"

The biggest question for Mr. Bush now is what he can make of the 39 months remaining in his presidency. For this horrible week has been months - even years - in the making. The 2,000th American fatality in Iraq was just the latest daunting milestone in a war that will soon be three years old. The C.I.A. leak investigation that threatens to indict a top White House aide or two on Friday grew out of the fierce debates over the flawed intelligence that led to that war.

And Harriet E. Miers's withdrawal of her nomination to the Supreme Court is the bitter fruit of Mr. Bush's own frailty in the wake of all those storms - and Hurricane Katrina - and of his miscalculations about how her appointment would be received.

His effort to avoid a fight by choosing a nominee with a scant public record (whose conservative fidelity only he could vouch for) instead prompted a ferocious backlash from the conservative activists he has courted for years.

"There's all this talk about the Republican base and the conservative base of the Republican Party, and the conservative base of the president and how it's important to play to the base and please the base and fawn over the base," said former Senator John C. Danforth, the Missouri Republican who was Mr. Bush's ambassador to the United Nations.

"And look what it gets President Bush," Mr. Danforth continued. "It just gets him a kick in the rear. That's what they've done to him, and they've done it to him at a time when he's vulnerable, and they've done it at the expense of a perfectly fine human being."

Some scholars and Republican elders say it is now time for Mr. Bush to do what Ronald Reagan did when the Iran-contra scandal threatened to derail his second term: shake up the White House staff, retool his domestic and foreign policy agenda and move on. But most say they see few signs that Mr. Bush intends to do so.

"Assume there are several indictments," said Richard Norton Smith, the head of the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library in Springfield, Ill., and a biographer of several prominent Republicans.

"The question becomes: Is there a Howard Baker moment?" Mr. Smith added, referring to the former Tennessee senator whom Mr. Reagan tapped as chief of staff to clean house. "And if there's a Howard Baker moment, who's Howard Baker? There aren't as many 'wise men' around Washington as there were 20 years ago."

Ms. Miers's withdrawal is all the more remarkable because Mr. Bush so seldom backs down. Again and again, he has racked up legislative victories that once seemed improbable, or at least managed to save face. His instinct, abetted by Vice President Dick Cheney, will once again be to grind out advances where he can find them.

In that sense, the abandonment of Ms. Miers seemed deliberate, an effort to shift the spotlight, however briefly, from the expected actions of the special prosecutor investigating the leak of a C.I.A. agent's identity, and reposition the president for a new confirmation battle with conservatives by his side.

But the president's second term legislative agenda is at a standstill on matters large and small. His hopes for overhauling Social Security are dead for this year; the goal of reshaping the estate tax stalled with Hurricane Katrina; and his administration was even forced to backtrack this week on its post-Katrina suspension of a law that requires paying locally prevailing wages for construction projects financed by federal money.

The White House had argued that suspending the law, the Davis-Bacon Act, could speed hurricane repairs. But critics, including some Congressional Republicans, complained that the administration was taking advantage of the disaster to upend a law important to unions.

Mr. Bush blamed Ms. Miers's withdrawal on Senate demands for information about her views on constitutional and legal questions during her service as White House counsel and in other top staff jobs.

"It is clear that senators would not be satisfied until they gained access to internal documents concerning advice provided during her tenure at the White House, disclosures that would undermine a president's ability to receive candid counsel," Mr. Bush said in a statement.

That seemed more a rationale than a reason, but Mr. Bush's articulation of it now effectively precludes his naming Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, Ms. Miers's predecessor as White House counsel, to the court, as some aides have long suggested he might like to do.

"They're not reaching out; they're in a bunker mentality," said one veteran Republican familiar with the thinking in the White House, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of offending the president. "The idea that they're going to blame the Senate process for her going down says to me there's no introspection going on."

Second-term presidents are notoriously insulated from second-guessing, and Mr. Bush has never been one to invite private criticism, or confess public error. His high premium on staff loyalty may well have led him to misjudge how his nomination of Ms. Miers - by all accounts the ultimate loyalist - would play.

"In the end, I always thought the thing that would bring her down was that she was his lawyer," said Mr. Smith, the historian. "That makes people uncomfortable. It's just too inside."

Lyndon B. Johnson's nomination of his longtime confidant Abe Fortas to be chief justice collapsed in 1968 partly for the same reason.

Richard D. Friedman, an expert on Supreme Court history at the University of Michigan Law School, said Ms. Miers's withdrawal reflected the reality that modern confirmations had become "so contentious that the president has an incentive to pick somebody whose ideology he believes is compatible with his but about whom little is known," while the Senate "then feels duty-bound to find out what it can about the nominee's ideology."

He added, "The nominee and the administration put up a wall, but in this case, it crumbled," in part because of doubts in both parties about Ms. Miers's stature.

The conservative commentator Patrick J. Buchanan wrote in Human Events Online that, by withdrawing, Ms. Miers "may just have helped" Mr. Bush "save his presidency." In the same journal, Ann Coulter allowed, "Bush has us back on the team, ready to cheer for him unreservedly."

But former Senator John B. Breaux, a Louisiana Democrat who is pressing for the nomination of his home-state candidate, Judge Edith Brown Clement of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, had a much different view of what Ms. Miers's withdrawal portends for Mr. Bush's power to influence his own party, much less the opposition, for the rest of his term.

"It means," Mr. Breaux said, "that the fear factor is gone."
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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How many more Bush, Iraq, etc threads does this place need?

This LR makes my son's power ranger obcession look like a fleeting fancy.

What else can be said?

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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You gotta look at the mirror on this one. You guys couldn't even put up a half decent guy. Bush should have been blown out of the water in 2004 but he wasn't because the Democrats are just as fucked up and idealess as the Republicans.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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Sad but true.

The devil made me do it the first time, second time I done it on my own - W
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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It was, at the outset, the Dems race to lose. What the election turned on however was a perceived referendum on gays and abortion...not the issues. Bush clearly lost the debates, but the Dems did not have their shit down tight enough to capitalize.

Chmoff (Kerry voter)
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Casey] [ In reply to ]
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I respectfully disagree. I don't think Kerry was a terrible candidate. He had flaws. He wasn't terribly dynamic. But he was competent, certainly more so than Bush. But he was running against a war president at a time when people felt very vulnerable. Bush looked like a man of action, even though the actions he took were completely misguided. But few people were in the mood to look at the facts critically. The war president had momentum that few challengers have historically been able to overcome.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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"I don't think Kerry was a terrible candidate."

He was a horrible candidate. There was no real support for the war in 2004 so Bush had no real war momentum on his side. Kerry brought nothing to the table. No new ideas, no real soulutions, no passion. The idea of using his war exprience was a joke because it showed him for who he was, a ladder climber. Do enough to get the chops then leave. His relationship with his wife made him look like a gold digger and she nuts on top of that. He had nothing.

You dudes needed another Carter. A salt of the earth I'm one of you kinda guys or gals.

It was the Democrats to win but they lost it big because they have nothing to offer. The Republicans are lock step so they had to vote for Bush.

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Last edited by: Mr. Tibbs: Oct 28, 05 15:26
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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But few people were in the mood to look at the facts critically.

Since Art isn't around to say it, I will: Keep arguing that the opposition is stupid, and you'll keep losing elections.

It seemingly never occurs to the Democrats that someone might have looked at all the facts critically, and still disagrees with them.








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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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I can't wait until you guys cut up the next guy, handing his balls to him simply because he "looked like a man of action," elected (the first case is still up for debate) by the people (well, most of 'em).

McCain?

Kerry?

Edwards?

Rudman?

C'mon guys.. 39 months is nothing. Get over it.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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Disagree that Bush should have been blown out of the water in 2004. People were still jingoistically attached to the war. They are less so now. But whatever, America elected him, and now they are exactly getting what they should have expected. Lots of incompetence. Kerry would have been nowhere near as dysfunctional.

Now, do I agree that Kerry was not ideal? Yes. And do I agree that the dems are short on ideas, yes to that too. The only problem is that defending the status quo, as uninteresting as that is, is sometimes better than ripping it apart just for the sake of doing it.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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The only problem is that defending the status quo, as uninteresting as that is, is sometimes better than ripping it apart just for the sake of doing it.

That's probably true in some ways. It's why there was no compelling reason to vote for Kerry. It isn't as if he didn't get elected because of wartime jingoism. It's because he didn't have a plan for Iraq that differed in any real way from Bush's.








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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [vitus979] [ In reply to ]
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Kerry didn't have a completely compelling plan, agreed. It was only slightly different, but sometimes slight differences in theory add up to substantial differences in reality. Adding more troops and getting the international community more involved (something Bush completely lost the clout to do) -- these could have made a real difference. Instead, we're stuck with the same re-tread ideas, and the administration shows absolutely no inclination to try anything new, anything that will improve our chances of getting the job done. It's the same old, same old, and we just continue counting the dead as we get nowhere.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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"Kerry would have been nowhere near as dysfunctional. "

Unprovable. Kerry has nothing to show he can run anything right.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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"The only problem is that defending the status quo, as uninteresting as that is, is sometimes better than ripping it apart just for the sake of doing it. "

That is what has us in the shape we are in now. So your theory is it ain't broke enough to fix? Hey shit sucks but let's keep it the same because change is scary?

The Democrats and Republicans are your kinda people.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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Kerry's incompetence is exactly why we would be better off. When you have a republican congress and a democratic president or vice versa, you get gridlock. More gridlock means less that gets done. Less that gets done means less money spent and fewer things to screw up.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Wolfwood] [ In reply to ]
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True but at the same time there is a war going and Kerry didn't have a clue what he would have done. At this rate we will have Reps running the show for a while.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think Kerry was a terrible candidate.

I can't imagine a president in a position where it would have been as easy to beat him as Bush was in 04. Really. All the Demo's had to do was come up with *something* halfway intriguing, and they pulled out some "multi-millionaire's husband" that could put a roomful of ADD kindergartners asleep within 5 minutes of talking. "I'mmmmm Joooohhhhnnnnn Keeeeeerrrrrrryyyy, aaaannnndddd Iiiiii'mmmmm rrrreeeepppppoooorrrrttttiiiinnnngggg ... he shouldn have just stopped right there.

Somehow the Demo's have become the suburban yuppy party and wonder why they don't relate to the "every man".

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Mr. Tibbs] [ In reply to ]
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Like the current crew has a clue? Well at least at the rate things are going, it might be possible for dems to get control of the congress. I really don't care which way it goes, but I want gridlock. Otherwise these damn fools spend money like drunken sailors.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Wolfwood] [ In reply to ]
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No one wants to rock the boat. No one thinks the Dems will do anything diffrent so no one is going to change anything.

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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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What's more depressing is a permanent continuation of the current political climate. Bush sucks, Kerry sucks, Clinton sucked (and got sucked), and on and on. The main impetus of every politician is to keep their jobs and in order to do that they need to raise tons of money and that comes through big contributions. So you know where their interests lie and they aren't with the American people.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [rundhc] [ In reply to ]
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39 more months with John K would suck to. stinking cheets . if they could just care about us and not money or power.

Thom
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [Tyrius] [ In reply to ]
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Yup,

Bush sucks, Kerry sucks, Clinton sucked and got his sucked. Man the whole darn system sucks big time.


Reckon Americans should all be looking to migrate to all those much better countries that have systems that don't suck. Trouble is in many places if you said the words suck aimed at the government too often, you could be locked away indefinitely or be beheaded or something similarly nice.
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Re: Depressing thought: 39 more MONTHS of Bush [kangaroo] [ In reply to ]
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I just know their are better folks for the job. We need no more cronyism. . If I was president. health care, good jobs, cheeper schools. how about jim for kids at school everyday. Tax the crap out of bullets.no more finished tobaco products. more gas tax. tax the SUV drivers. force higher gas mileage from the auto co more mass transportaion less autos. tax ATV,ect.ect ect

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I am a litle of a socalist.
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