Oh, I'm a bitch alright. And since when is talking about fuqing someone's dog considered "light hearted." And I haven't read any of your political takes on anything, just senseless/childish humor. I'm allowed to get personal when you invite me into your life with stories of hot tub orgies, bean blowing, and beastiality.

Generally I am diametrically opposed to anything you type. I am shocked at how spot on this post is to what many of my "married with children" guy friends came to consensus over the holiday last week. It is damn near word for word!

I agree that having my wife spoil me and tuck me in with a red bow (she still looks incredible after three kiddos) and nothing else, that there isn't a present she could purchase at any price that would make me any happier. For no other reason than sheer exhaustion from raising three kids under 6, this sort of one on one attention is very rare these days between the two of us and sorely missed on my part.

I too am very interested in the female perspective of the A vs B question about how the mind works. My wifee definitely likes presents, and I usually go the sparkly route, but if more quantity and frequency is better than so be it. I aim to please.

Kangaroo. Don't post any more reasonable points of view. It's not becoming.

Hookem

Well said hookem. Roo, here you go if you need a role model to become a real man some day.

Yeah you are a fucking bitch. Because a real man would never take things to this personal level over nothing. A bitch whose too fucking dumb to realize what constitutes joking around what is stepping over the line about other's kids and family. What are you anyway, some self gratifying high morale hypocrite? Am I busting your virgin ears with my dirty jokes which weren't even an attack on you in the first place? I've got a Golden Retriever named Tyson. You can fire away and go to town on him all you want; it's not the same thing. As I said in my previous post, you can direct any insult toward me you like ... that's no problem.

I've explained it.

If you're just an asshole who doesn't get it that's nobody else's fault. Like I said if it were face to face this conversation would end very abruptly.

"Well said hookem. Roo, here you go if you need a role model to become a real man some day."

Don't assume that you are qualified to give your unwanted stupid advice to anyone else. Save it for yourself.

Oh I'm no role model. Just a guy killing time till the clock strikes five.

I've been slacking in my lurking lately. Apparrently Roo has ruffled your feathers and vice versa. Heated debate is good for the heart and the mind, but neither of you should take anything anyone types into a keyboard so personally as to go off like this. I try to type as if my 6 yo was proof reading.

There you go. My role model moment for the day.

Now fuck off! I'm going home.

I still want to know which is better: A or B!!!!???? A little help...women of ST?

B, definitely

Wait, what is A?

What is B?

I'd rather have 5 $100 dollar thoughtful gifts throughout the year than one $1500 gift at Christmas. Not that any boyfriend I've ever had would do either, but hypothetically of course...

Jodi

1) Generally I am diametrically opposed to anything you type.

Well you know opposing views especially on controversial issues on an internet forum is the norm. Sticking to the topic and a little ribbing thrown in is also usual. But getting into someone's family biz with negative comment and insult is a cowardly personal attack to do hiding behind the computer monitor where there are no consequences.

2) "I agree that having my wife spoil me and tuck me in with a red bow (she still looks incredible after three kiddos) and nothing else, that there isn't a present she could purchase at any price that would make me any happier. For no other reason than sheer exhaustion from raising three kids under 6, this sort of one on one attention is very rare these days between the two of us and sorely missed on my part."

You said it.

3) "I too am very interested in the female perspective of the A vs B question about how the mind works. My wifee definitely likes presents, and I usually go the sparkly route, but if more quantity and frequency is better than so be it. I aim to please. Kangaroo. Don't post any more reasonable points of view. It's not becoming.

OK just one last one for you...endure -

With option A) let's say you get 100 points for the fantastic $1500 present. But if you don't follow up that value is quickly used up.

Now with option B), you will get as high as 80 points or more for each $100, because for our women it's all about the thoughtfulness that makes you so adorable! Now 5 X 80 and that adds up to a whopping 400 points all from a relatively measely $500 bucks spread over such a long time frame. Futhermore since it is periodically spread out you never allow those brownie points to diminish and build on existing points like compound interest. Meaning you keep your lady a lot happier and beaming!

But in reality the man usually goes for A cuz that's what he would value most for himself and the lady goes for B which is usually what she would appreciate most for herself. The fact that both then get limited appreciation from their considerable efforts to their respective partners canunfortunately often be the source of some chagrin.

In fact it was things like this now that I think back that led to my first divorce. She just couldn't believe all the thoughtful things she was doing for me and me just taking it for granted which indicated to her that I just didn't love her enough which was a source of a lot of frustration. I remember once she planned a surprise birthday party for me and invited all my best workout mateys from the gym and martial arts who were really my inner circle as we had mostly been through Uni together as well and I was just ho-hum. That really pissed her no-end. Now I am older and smarter and feign appreciation.

So if I may be allowed to be a little presumptious, ... I would say there is a lesson to be learnt from that.

Now GhiaGirl ... do you still think your approach of the 12 little presents for the 12 days of Christmas is the best for your BF? For us men, one really stupendous present like P2C and we'll remember it and be indebted for life!

Indoor triathalon? That is just wrong. Where are your numbers?

Why not swim in all those great lakes nearby?

I still want to know which is better: A or B!!!!???? A little help...women of ST?

I get both. Whenever my boyfriend sees something that he thinks I'd like (quite often a handbag) he picks it up. He goes a little over board at Christmas.

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

I guess we could cut a hole in the ice for the swim, put snow tires on the bikes and wear boots for the run...

Actually at U. Wisconsin there was a club that would play upside-down underwater ice hockey every year using the ice on Lake Mendota. Good times...

Jodi

Does he have a brother?

You made that up

Ha! He's far from perfect, but he is generous.

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Awww, Katy's not all THAT evil. Only slightly evil. In a good way. - JasoninHalifax

I guess it may have just been a publicity stunt for the underwater hockey team (which practices in pools). Strange sport, but true.

Jodi

"I'd rather have 5 $100 dollar thoughtful gifts throughout the year than one $1500 gift at Christmas. Not that any boyfriend I've ever had would do either, but hypothetically of course... " - Jodi

But of course you would. Because you are simply a red blooded female of the human species.

If you ever get a BF who goes out of his way to give you B) .... you can be pretty sure he's the one who is really dedicated to you ... because he's actually going against his grain to pull it off.

To those doubters, ask yourself, why do women make such a big deal about getting a bunch of flowers or/and a box of chocs? Not that expensive.

If us men were to get something like that from a nubile wench newbie, the little gift would simply be a sign of anticipated things to be had and the imaginations would start a running. For the ladies the flowers and the chocolates in themselves are like the big deal, so much so the man is hopeful it will please enough to get a little something in return. Unless the dude is repugnant to that girl, those simple flowers an expression of thoughtfulness sure will get some good leverage.

There might be hope for Roo yet. How do you clean up and look in a suit?

Well like I said, you can throw anything you like at my comments, insult me personally no problemo. But I'm glad you seem to see where I'm coming from. I would kiss and make up except my name's not Mark Foley or Ted Haggard.

Okay, honestly I'm hoping for a trip somewhere with him...some place where we can spend an entire 3-4 days together, where he's not on call, I don't take my bike and go for a long ride...

There are things I want for Christmas, but mostly those are things that I'll tell my parents and my family (they still hound me about what I want for Christmas...I guess they too think I'm hard to buy for), but they are things like a roomba and/and or scooba, a new camelback, an automatic dog/horse waterer that hooks up to an outside water spicket etc...

The BF always cooks great food for me, feeds me great wines, takes me to great shows, so I want to make sure that he knows I apreciate it all,

Well, the whole 12 days of christmas is actually going to end the 24th, then on the 25th, he'll have nothing left to unwrap except me....or that's my plan anyway ;-)

Or maybe I only need 11 'gifts' and I'll be the 12th...I think that might work...4 Calling Birds could be the iPod (music), 3 French Hens (1 bottle of French Wine, One bottle of nice Cognac, one nice champagne), 2 turtle doves (some homemade...or high end....chocolate caramel concoction), and a partridge in a pear tree (me...of course for the pear tree...I'd just get a pair of green heals....)

 

Now GhiaGirl ... do you still think your approach of the 12 little presents for the 12 days of Christmas is the best for your BF? For us men, one really stupendous present like P2C and we'll remember it and be indebted for life![/reply]Yes, because I know the BIG things he wants...and they are way out of my price range this year. The BF has been great about doing little things for me and doesn't expect a lot in return, heck he's thrilled when I take his dog on a hike (cause he's still at work...and that way when he gets home he can relax and not have to try to tire the pooch out)

pugs are cute! and like a typical pug parent, i think mine are absolutely sensational.
(was only kidding about the weiner thing. but i guess you know that)

Holy crap.

I pull something out of my arse, jot it down expecting a solid hour of flaming, and arrive home to read this borderline civil and respectful drivel!?

Jodi. Thanks for your opinion. I've thought this for a while, but it's nice to get some perspective once in a while. Where it comes from you can never be certain, as in this case the best worded, sensible male perspective came from Roo. Whodathunkit. Regardless, thanks to you, roo, and everyone that has contributed.

I will rethink my gift giving strategy for this holiday and the year to come. I don't think any amount of gifts can tell my wife how much she means to me, but if she will appreciate more and smaller gifts than one large expensive one, then that is what she will get. She seems to be pretty normal, at least as normal as a hysterical woman can be. That is normal for women, correct? I learned to stir the pot from Roo:-)