Hi Dan,
Can you elaborate on how your test process compares with what Friction Facts does? http://www.friction-facts.com/...-tension-test-method

I ask because CeramicSpeed sent this out to dealers when they launched their track/single speed UFO chains and their results don't mesh with yours. Obviously each company wants their products to be the best, so I wonder what is different in the test process that could play a factor. Even if Friction Facts could be biased now under the ownership of CS, they at least had a history of quality testing protocols and such.

I see you just joined the forum 30 days ago ...Welcome to Slowtwitch.

Thanks for posting that chart. I had not seen it before.

I don't know how Ceramic Speed currently test chains.

I have never shipped them any product so they must have had two separate individuals purchase our chains on their behalf and then sent them to their testing facility.

I had read through the Friction Facts testing results and procedures on lubes some years ago and that data looked good to me.

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Wow, I'm pretty impressed with their use of a unitless comparison metric w/o defining what 100 means in the real world. i.e. how many ft-lbs of torque of drag @ a given speed...or watts of drag to overcome. It pretty much means that they can separate those lines how ever much marketing wants to. And that is my belief...that they are exaggerating small differences.

Thanks for the welcome Dan, long time reader, first time poster ;) not so much a racer but have worked in the related bike industry for years and have clients that inquire about what they read on slowtwitch.
I would guess Ceramic Speed is using the friction facts testing approach, there is lots about UFO drip testing on friction facts now so there is an obvious cross over. I did notice your break in period was shorter than what ceramicspeed states, both online but also when asked direct they say 15-20 min of break in to become ‘most efficent’. Do the premier chains have a similar window before ‘optimization’ realization?
Hopefully in the future CeramicSpeed shows more testing information, it is odd to see an ‘index’ on this chart, yet all the UFO drip information shows actual watts. How does the premier chain rank against the claimed ufo drip watts?

Hi Dan and others,


Excuse me for being vacant from the forum in a while, there are a number of threads that I plan to get too. I'll get to them when time allows.


Dan we managed to get our hands on some of your chains. Our secret shoppers are out in force these days with so many treated chains, not to mention claims popping up left, right and center.


Here is a little more on some recent testing we did in the summer with optimized "treated/optimized" chains. We're operating the same testing protocols as used by Friction Facts. Jason remains at the head of our testing for the most part.

http://www.ceramicspeed.com/sport/techlab/tests/chain-efficiency-over-time/


Ben

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