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Movie Review: Wonder Woman
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I have mixed feelings about this movie. Bear with me.

Wonder Woman is the second origin story in the DC Cinematic Universe, following on the heels of Man of Steel and Batman v Superman. The movie tells the story of Princess Diana, from her childhood on the mystical island of Themyscira, through her development into the superhero we saw in BvS. Diana is in training to be an Amazon warrior when she discovers American pilot Steve Trevor who has crashed his plane fleeing from the Germans during WWI. Trevor's presence drags Diana from her secret island into the world of men, where she plans to kill Ares who has corrupted men in a never ending war. As Diana discovers the extent of her powers, she also learns about mankind, and has to decide if they're worth saving, or if she should help Ares destroy them all.

WW is a big positive step in the DCU, in that it has the feel of the more successful Marvel movies. This movie is very similar in tone to the first Capt America movie. There is a decent amount of humor mixed with the action, and the violence is slightly less bone crunching than what we saw in BvS. Additionally, Diana is orders of magnitude more likable than the Superman we've seen in the preceding films. With this movie as a template, as well as the entry of Joss Whedon into the final process for Justice League, the DCU has taken a step in the right direction. The visuals are good, the pace is good, and the characters are decent. The plot is what you would expect from a comic book origin story movie, and unfortunately, that means that some portions move very quickly to make sure there's time to get to the big climactic scenes. So, there are a few areas where characters are left undeveloped, and/or the characters seem to move from A to Z without going through any letters between.

The acting is decent, although there are a few scenes that are just jarring. Specifically, some of the interactions between the two main bad guys are just odd. Chris Pine does fine as Steve Trevor, and the Amazons are impressive.

The biggest thing I have mixed feelings about were some of the action scenes for Diana herself. Don't get me wrong, Gal Gadot is hot as hell, and I thought her WW was great in (maybe the best part of) BvS. But in this movie, she has to carry almost all of the action, and there were times where her movement just looked off a bit, like someone who isn't accustomed to fighting or running or physical action. She served in the Israeli Army, so I know she's had physical training before, but there were scenes in which she just looked like she was running or punching like a stereotypical girl. Maybe this was due to the necessity for her to use the gauntlets and lasso, which don't have much analogue in normal fighting. I'll be interested to hear other impressions, because I may have just gone in with higher expectations, and am being overly critical now.

Overall, the movie was good, but not mind blowingly great. If you're looking for a good action movie or are into the comic movies, you'll definitely want to see it. If you've got a daughter and want her to see a strong female hero, likewise, it's a can't miss.

The movie is rated PG-13, and although there's lots of violence, I felt like it was reigned in better than in BvS or Man of Steel. There's almost no sex or foul language. Good family fun. It really is closely comparable to Capt America: First Avenger in tone, style, and level of violence.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I thought Gadot was fantastic, and Chris Pine was a great co-lead. Yes, she did dominate the action scenes but I think that was potentially the point. EASILY the most enjoyable DC movie so far, and I actually liked Man of Steel. Really enjoyed this movie.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Out of curiosity, I'm assuming the gauntlets you are referring to are the metal bands that she wears on her wrists. Do they actually call them gauntlets, or did you pick the word?


The reason I ask is that gauntlets are metal gloves. If they are on the forearms they are vambraces or bracers.

Nerd out.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:
It really is closely comparable to Capt America: First Avenger in tone, style, and level of violence.

yes, very much like Captain America 1 - although DC's CGI is not as good as Marvel's CGI -

I wished they had cameos for Lynda Carter and/or Lyle Waggoner and also spent more time on the island of women

Don't waste your money on the 3D - the 3D conversion was an afterthought, the best 3D part of the movie was the closing credits.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [jkhayc] [ In reply to ]
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I thought Gadot was fantastic, and Chris Pine was a great co-lead. Yes, she did dominate the action scenes but I think that was potentially the point. EASILY the most enjoyable DC movie so far, and I actually liked Man of Steel. Really enjoyed this movie.

My issue wasn't with her dominating the action. It was with her fighting, and how it sometimes looked too much like an actress/model in a fight scene, instead of an actual warrior.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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BarryP wrote:
Out of curiosity, I'm assuming the gauntlets you are referring to are the metal bands that she wears on her wrists. Do they actually call them gauntlets, or did you pick the word?


The reason I ask is that gauntlets are metal gloves. If they are on the forearms they are vambraces or bracers.

Nerd out.

Gauntlets, bracers, bracelets, cuffs, whatever.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't they have an all woman screening for this.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Is there any extra scene at the tail end of the credits to wait for?
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [johnnybefit] [ In reply to ]
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johnnybefit wrote:
Is there any extra scene at the tail end of the credits to wait for?

No extra scenes
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [ChiTownJack] [ In reply to ]
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ChiTownJack wrote:
johnnybefit wrote:
Is there any extra scene at the tail end of the credits to wait for?


No extra scenes

Thanks. That will save me 10 minutes of watching the credits. Must be a Marvel thing to do.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I've seen enough of Gal Godot in recent talk shows circuit promoting the movie to know there is zero chance I'm not seeing this movie. Incredibly hot mom.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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slowguy wrote:

My issue wasn't with her dominating the action. It was with her fighting, and how it sometimes looked too much like an actress/model in a fight scene, instead of an actual warrior.

I hear you. Reminds me of an Angelina Jolie action movie (forget the name) in her anorexic-looking phase. Landing blows with stick arms makes it hard to maintain suspension of disbelief. (like Taserface for me).

I prefer this in a female fighter (Expanse series):


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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Did you see it in 2D or 3D?
If 3D, was it worth it?
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [IMKEN] [ In reply to ]
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IMKEN wrote:
Did you see it in 2D or 3D?
If 3D, was it worth it?

I saw it in 2D. What I've heard is that the 3D is nothing special. It was converted, rather than designed and shot for 3D.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks.
I also read it was filmed in 2D
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Did you have a hard time finding a theatre that allowed both men and women in to see the movie? /Pink

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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Just saw it with the wife. Her idea, not mine. The movie is surprisingly good. Lead chick does a great job pulling off the naive power-chick thing.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Saw it last night wife wife and two late teen daughters. We all loved it - them especially so.

I didn't baulk at WW's movement in the fight scenes though it is a different kind of fighting to anything Marvel have depicted to far - I suppose Black Widow crossed with Spider-Man then ramp up the strength setting to 11 and that's closest.

There is some CGI weakness (one short portion of the village fight mid film). The trenches scene is the real showstopper IMO rather than the finale battle. The Amazons are excellently depicted - they look weathered, not Agents of Shield perfect.

Overall - better than all the Ironman films, preferred it to Cap 1, falls a little short of the Winter Soldier/Civil War. But a properly good DC superhero film at long last.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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Greg66 wrote:
Saw it last night wife wife and two late teen daughters. We all loved it - them especially so.

Dude! You got 2 wives? Do you live in Utah?


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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Salt.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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SPOILERS


I saw it last night. I thought it was great. It was surprisingly romantic for a DC movie and especially for a purported feminist movie. I really liked the two main characters, and they were fantastic both together and doing their own thing. I've never been a batman or superman fan, so I guess WW is about it for me in the DC universe.

Other comments related to what I've seen...

1.) I liked the action/story ratio. Usually we've got way more action that lends nothing to the story, and it gets boring.
2.) The action, for me, was not lessened because Gadot is kind of skinny and obviously couldn't have superlative human generated power. She's freakin' levitating at some point so my "sticking to the physics" filter got turned off anyway.
3.) Which brings me to one of my criticisms. WW's powers went from "not being able to beat her aunt in a sword fight" and "ouch, I got a nasty cut on my shoulder" to "who cares if a large, building size chunk of asphalt, earth, metal, and concrete got dropped on my head?". That should have been explained in some way, and I hope that power level doesn't stick. Otherwise, she's going to have the superman hero problems. Totally undefeatable is boring as hell.
4.) CGI was fine as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not a CGI connoisseur.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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I just saw it and I too have mixed feelings. The parts I liked best were the morality conflicts WW experienced. The "comedy" could have easily been left out, which would have made it a better movie. Definitely worth seeing.


Not news but Gal Gadot is gorgeous. I could have watched her eat dinner for 2 hours and gotten my money's worth.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [jkca1] [ In reply to ]
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The "comedy" could have easily been left out, which would have made it a better movie

I disagree. Both Man of Steel and BvS were widely panned for being too serious and not much fun. DC really had to lighten their movies up a bit to keep up with Marvel.

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slowguy wrote:
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The "comedy" could have easily been left out, which would have made it a better movie


I disagree. Both Man of Steel and BvS were widely panned for being too serious and not much fun. DC really had to lighten their movies up a bit to keep up with Marvel.
Yes. But also, the comedy didn't feel like it was added in some formulaic manner. They made it an integral part of the story telling.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [SH] [ In reply to ]
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SH wrote:
slowguy wrote:
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The "comedy" could have easily been left out, which would have made it a better movie


I disagree. Both Man of Steel and BvS were widely panned for being too serious and not much fun. DC really had to lighten their movies up a bit to keep up with Marvel.

Yes. But also, the comedy didn't feel like it was added in some formulaic manner. They made it an integral part of the story telling.

So we obviously have a difference of opinion here which I respect. However I think slowguy makes the point that the comedy was formulaic, i.e. it was necessary to make the movie successful to the masses. It needed to be "fun" to be successful. I think that's where the movie lost me. The comedy seemed like it was inserted because someone felt it was needed to sell tickets. Since the movie is a box office success I think the formula worked. Just not for me.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [jkca1] [ In reply to ]
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You seem to have two definitions of formulaic working here. I agree with one and disagree with the other.

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slowguy makes the point that the comedy was formulaic, i.e. it was necessary to make the movie successful to the masses.

This is not what's generally meant by formulaic. To take it to an extreme: "good writing" might be necessary to make the movie successful to the masses, but we would never describe "good writing" as formulaic.

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The comedy seemed like it was inserted because someone felt it was needed to sell tickets.

I could agree with this wording. The idea is that the comedy (or whatever) must be inserted in a way that isn't original, or interesting, or compelling, or even that funny. In fact, it must be awkward, because it must somehow show itself in opposition to good writing in order to be labeled formulaic.

Edit: needless to say, I don't think the last definition applies to the comedy in wonder woman.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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It was a good-to-excellent (in spots) superhero movie. Chris Pine ably supported Gal Gadot's efforts as Diana/Wonder Woman, and so did several of the other actors. It's also a qualitative step up from last year's (Lady) "Ghostbusters" reboot (and who was clamoring for that one?) and it proves that women superheros can carry a movie on their own, when the script is done well and the actors are up to the task.

Besides, there are really only seven basic plots in writing (both script and novel-based fiction). And there are at least five elements of those seven in "Wonder Woman," which is something that helps its formula set it apart from others in this portion of the DC extended universe.

Overall, 3.5/5 stars, with it sometimes hitting 4 stars -- which means it's a good popcorn movie for the ticket price offered at the local cineplex. Guaranteed, there's a sequel coming, and why not? This one was an enjoyable time, so why shouldn't the next one be as well?

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Not only a sequel, but the Justice League is coming soon. I'll be very interested to see if DC introduces more villans for the Legion of Doom. Lex Luthor can't carry the bad-guy story line alone.

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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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There will definitely be a WW2. My guess is they just need to hammer out the details now that they know how successful the first was.

JL is coming fairly soon. The main bad guy wil be Steppenwolf, uncle of Darkseid and one of his main generals. My early guess is that they'll build to Darkseid kind of like Marvel is building to Thanos.

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My feelings are not mixed. I thought it was very boring. WW finally joins the battle at the front nearly 90 minutes in! My wife and I discussed leaving at this point.
I am surprised at all of the positive reviews. I thought this one was much worse than Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman. If you are on the fence about it, don't waste your money - rent is later if you must.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Slowguy, I agree 100%. I could not put my finger on why I did not like the movie.
But you got it right here.
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Re: Movie Review: Wonder Woman [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Great review. I'd like to add:

Pros: some of the best comic stills of any comic movie to date. Lots of really good "poster" shots.


Cons: I would have liked this to be more Wonder Woman and less Wonder Girl. Maybe that'll happen in Justice League as she'll be ~100 years older.

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johnnybefit wrote:
My feelings are not mixed. I thought it was very boring. WW finally joins the battle at the front nearly 90 minutes in! My wife and I discussed leaving at this point.
I am surprised at all of the positive reviews. I thought this one was much worse than Man of Steel and Batman vs Superman. If you are on the fence about it, don't waste your money - rent is later if you must.
John


This.

Finally got around to seeing it last night and wife wanted to turn it off part the way through.
I didn't mind it, but probably because I was busy dreaming about all the ways I could violate Gal Gadot (yes Im a pig, just ask my wife) rather than paying attention to any plot.

The director could easily have cut 30 minutes out of the movie and it would have made no difference. I get that they needed to tell her backstory, but all the romance shit was time wasted. And thats coming from my wife!

Im betting that the sequel will be either much better (i.e. more action, less romance) or far, far worse (total chick flick)
Either way I look forward to seeing Gal Gadot partly dressed in thigh high leather boots :-)
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