Even his Press Secretary has a problem with it.

I think it speaks volumes and I am more concerned with you liberal types trying to take down the the POTUS at every chance you get. I personally dont give a rats ass how much he or Obama played golf.

To Trump supporters he's infallible, perfect, has never told a lie and can do no wrong. I honestly can't understand them.

Trump's golf is different than Obama's golf.

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Well this is the sort of thing I am trying to figure out. During the Obama years, if he so much as sneezed, FOX et al, made a meal out of it - as you say they were "trying to take down the POTUS at every change [they got]." You seem to think this is wrong when it is the left that does it.

Was it also wrong when the right did it? Additionally, now that Trump is doing the things that Obama got heat for, is Trump wrong too?

I'm not sure if you're being serious about your "shoot the messenger" sentiment, but it's a little odd to say you're concerned but more concerned about people pointing out those "flaws" in Trump. So you're more concerned about Trump's critics than their - in your eyes - legitimate concerns?

Its not so much about all his time playing golf, but more so if he is lying about it. But then everybody knows Trump has never lied.(pink font).

Dont friggin care what Foxnews says or does or CNN for that matter. Yes I thought when Obama was in office, it was wrong. Still think its wrong doing the same to Trump. However I think that these days since it is Trump in office people are overly sensitive to what he says and does. More so than Obama. Of course this is just my opinion and I dont have fact to back that up.

I don't care about golfing, or if a president doesn't work 24/7, but how do Trump supporters view this?

I can't speak for the Trump supporters here, but will anyway. I bet they're okay with it...

Fair enough. These sorts of media criticisms likely seem less credible when they attack one's own candidate.

I am weary of any news outlet that has an agenda.

I am sure that is right, I would just love to understand the reasoning behind it. I guess I would accept if people simply say, "I just want my side to win, so I support it no matter what". However, I think a lot of people actually believe there is some reasoned justification that Trump's lies are not a problem. I would love to hear those arguments.

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I don't much care about the occasional golf outing. I think there are times when it's a bad look- the president shouldn't be out on the links in the middle of some crisis.

I do think Trump has spent too much time golfing and getting away to Mara Lago. It demonstrates a lack of desire to do the actual job involved with being president, and only two months in. And yes, lying about it is pathetic and petty.

But that really just confirms what we already know about Trump.

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"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

You hit a key point here. Trump has been wildly "inconsistent" with what he has said, and what he has done. Just as the Democrats are getting payback from the 'Pubs for the last 8 years, Trump is getting payback for all his 'Obama golfs too much' comments. IOW, politics as usual.

presidents dont get real time off so i dont care. but i do have major problems with the enormous expense that is being paid to trump for him and his family to stay at his own properties. he shouldnt be getting richer just for going home on the weekends.

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Correct. That he never really wanted to be President. He just wanted to win.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

Stop focusing on November 8th you big unhinged pansie.

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Long Chile was a silly place.

True, Obama counts his strokes. Trump has been outed by many players as a cheat.

Did you read the OP, or just the subject? Judging by your response, I'm guessing the latter.

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I think it speaks volumes and I am more concerned with you liberal types trying to take down the the POTUS at every chance you get. I personally dont give a rats ass how much he or Obama played golf.


. . and that's the point. He can play golf as much as he likes . . . HOWEVER, Trump went to great lengths to be critical of Obama and his time golfing, and his work ethic. Trump boasted many times on the campaign - "When I'm President, I'll have no time for golf and I'll be working 24/7"

It's NOT the golf, it's the integrity of what you say . . . and then what you do!

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I've have always been of the opinion- More time any politician (except for maybe a handful of libertarians) spent on the Golf coarse the better. Past and present has shown- The harder politicians work the more we get bent over.

Here is what I don't understand: Why even go down that road with Obama? (I guess I know the answer: to get elected you'll spew whatever shit you'd an to make yourself look good, even though you have ZERO sincerity in it).

It's the ol' Sarah Palin theme: Don't make up shit to make her sound stupid. Just use what she actually says...because she was so stupid. No reason to fabricate more, plenty of ammo out there. Same with Obama: say he sucked and point to all the things he sucked at (there are plenty), but why mention the golfing... ??? I mean, you KNOW you're orange ass is going to be out there all the time, why even highlight that part of Obama??

Then again, Trump is a moron, AND he spewed whatever made him sound better. Hillary was no different or no less full of shit... Its the Political way I guess.

AND he spewed whatever made him sound better.


It's the key to "understanding" Trump - he will say anything, to anyone at anytime. Most importantly, he says what will please those within ear-shot of him at that moment!

I'm sensing Trump himself is oblivious to this, and has no idea how contradictory he is and how his integrity is taking a beating! He said he was not making fun of a disabled person - but there is a video of him making fun of a disabled person. I'm sure when cornered, about the golf, he'll say he never said anything about that, but there is a whole stream of tweets to the contrary and also volumes of video of him talking about Obama golfing . . and so on.

It's not that past presidents, and others in high-office have not done similar - many have, but it's the volume of these sorts of things with Trump that is extraordinary. Also past presidents and others in high office, tend to listen to advice, aids and handlers carefully - it's those people's jobs to steer the Boss away-from and around these sorts of pot-holes - but again, with regards to Trump he's a total lose cannon - listens to no one (maybe Bannon - scary!), and just fires off whatever is in his mind at that moment!

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And you could say thing about Obama or Hillary supporters. As someone who thinks that both sides are crocks and should be in jail I don't get either side. Both sides lie and their supporters have no issue with their guy doing it they just have an issue with the other side doing it. Jess Sessions lied to Congress, so he should go to jail. Yet when you point out that James Clapper lied to Congress and Obama did nothing about it they have no issue with it. The hypocrisy would be funny if this stuff wasn't so important.

Do you believe that Trump cares about his integrity? He has that 'just win baby' mentality.

We all have varying levels of cognitive dissonance with respect to our own behaviour

There are things we might know about ourselves but itbis easier to pretend they dont exist than to acknowledge or change them

For trump to recognise and then choose to change them would require that he recognise a whole house of cards that would bring the house down

He has never queried obama's birth, accused the clintons of being criminals and he does not even play golf. I do not know what the fuss is all about

'just win baby'

"So much winning" :)

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I need more information before I judge: What's Obama's average for 18 versus Trump's?

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Tri-Banter wrote:

I need more information before I judge: What's Obama's average for 18 versus Trump's?

It doesn't really matter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...5948a40f8_story.html

http://www.golf.com/...ald-trump-cheat-golf

Obama said his handicap is 13 and Trump's is 2.8 so Trump should win.

However, it would probably not surprise anyone that Trump's figure is almost certainly understated. Apparently, his most recent 20 scores (used to calculate a handicap) stretch back to 2014 and some back to 2009. There are also a few people who have claimed he cheats, one being Alice Cooper who said he won't play with him again.

However, Trump would definitely beat Obama.

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with you liberal types trying to take down the the POTUS at every chance you get.

Did you mean for your statement to be in pink?

Do any of these ring a bell?

• Birtherism
• Kenyan Marxist
• Founder of ISIS
• The Most Ignorant President in History
• Muslim communist

Not to mention the personal, overtly racist attacks on his children and the First Lady.


Is your memory so short you cannot remember all the attacks President Obama had to weather over the past 8 years?

Fuck off with your bullshit. Its all just noise.

So it is "noise" when the GOP continually tried to tear down President Obama, but it is of great concern when the Dems point out the hypocrisy of Trump criticizing President Obama for golfing while he hits the links every weekend?

Got it.

Have a merry day!

     Hmmm, not so worried about Trump's golf vs Obama's. Maybe when he gets to well over 300 rounds like Obama, but the lying about it is just weird/strange/sick, but not surprising given what we've seen thus far of his personality.

Please read the entire thread. Where did I even remotely imply it was ok for the GOP to do that. Typical bullshit by idiots who dont/can't read. You don't have anything.

Trump's handicap is a lot like Michael Jordan's ... I think they feel the need to keep a vanity cap to feel better about themselves.

I bet the match would be closer that expected if each had to play the ball down and putt everything out.

drn92

Do Trumps balls taste good?

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

dave_w wrote:

Hmmm, not so worried about Trump's golf vs Obama's. Maybe when he gets to well over 300 rounds like Obama, but the lying about it is just weird/strange/sick, but not surprising given what we've seen thus far of his personality.

According to this Golf Digest article he played on average 38 rounds per year during his eight years in office.

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/weve-crunched-the-numbers-and-its-official-president-obama-played-a-lot-of-golf-while-in-office



According to this article, Trump has been to one of his golf clubs on either 11 or 12 different days so far (as of March 25th).


https://thegolfnewsnet.com/golfnewsnetteam/2017/03/19/how-many-times-president-donald-trump-played-golf-in-office-103836/

Since he won't tell whether he golfs or not, let's assume that he played 10 times in the first two months. That is 60 rounds per year. And that is also 11-12 trips to the golf club during what you would assume would be his busiest period as president while he's getting up to speed and trying to change so many things.

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I bet the match would be closer that expected if each had to play the ball down and putt everything out.

I've seen his swing and he's pretty impressive, particularly for his age. There have been a number of people report on his cheating though and the Washington Post even did a story on it back in 2015. In one case, he was with a group and there was a storm delay. When they came back out, there was suddenly a ball 10' from the hole. One of his partners asked whose ball it was and the Donald said it was his. The guy told Trump that it "can't be yours, you've been hacking away in the weeds all day". Trump responded by saying that the guys he plays with cheat all the time and that "I have to cheat just to keep up with them."

The funny thing is that is perfectly consistent, blaming others when things go wrong. When Trump was asked about the incident he said "he's never heard of him"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.b219debf10c6

Golf will expose your character. Especially if you think you are (or should be) better than you really are.

I agree that his swing is not bad, and for his age he can still move it out there. I will not believe he is a 2.8 until I see him play 18 by the rules.

drn92

A little saltier than Obama's.

According to CBS News White House Correspondent Mark Knoller, Obama played 333 rounds as president. Obama's last round came on December 31 while on vacation in Hawaii. Knoller tweeted it was Obama's 46th round of his final year in office.
Obama averaged about 41 rounds a year, but he never came close to Presidents Woodrow Wilson or Dwight Eisenhower, who were estimated to have played 1,200 and 800 rounds, respectively.

http://www.golfchannel.com/...3-rounds-golf-potus/

There's another, slightly different, total, but it really does not matter. I agree Trump is playing a lot for so early in his term, but GWB played golf early, then quit playing. There's lots in common with these two guys (Obama was said to think his hoops skills were better than reality showed, as mentioned by some others who shot hoops with him), and they're two massive egos.
I was irked by Obama's golf mostly because it was in addition to the gym, basketball, family vacations, etc. I'm irked by Trump's golf because he is doing a piss poor job of leading, and does not have the extra time. One exception to the golf thing, in my mind, is time spent on the links with a foreign leader, eg I'd imagine neither would get by without hitting the links with a Japanese PM.

Republicans never 0bjected to the president playing golf. They objected to Obama playing golf.

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The swing is a little quick but overall not too bad.