With that being said, does anybody with the means to make a difference actually have any concrete ideas that are worth implementing?

Yes, Guy locally with the means decided to stay in his home town, invest in the infrastructure and help people out that wanted to attempt to do something with their lives. Helped a ton of people get businesses started and refurbish a whole bunch of run down areas of his small town that helped revitalize areas of the town.

Of course he implemented most of this on his own so if you mean "Things that people with means want government to implement"...then no.

~Matt

No football player has the means to make a difference in other than a few lives (not that that wouldn't have value). Warren Buffet doesn't have the means to make a difference. It takes societal/cultural/policy changes to make a difference. That's what protests and "bringing awareness" is all about.

I will say that when I was at Cornell in the late 70s, I noted that at basketball games many African-Americans in the audience would not stand up during the national anthem. I also noted that those who were on the track team with me would walk out before the anthem started, so as to not be in a position where they had to choose to do what they thought was right (stand) or what their peers might expect them to do (sit in protest).

(This in no way implies any opinion of mine on what this guy has done)

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help people out that wanted to attempt to do something with their lives


This is the kicker for me. It's not possible to help people that don't want it for themselves no matter how hard you try. '


So then, LR minds, what is the "correct" path forward if we are to resolve today's current race issues?

Maybe part of the reason some are not afforded an equal opportunity to achieve the American Dream is because they refuse to take part in American traditions.

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I would agree that they don't have the means to make nation-wide changes, but I think they have a very real ability to make community wide changes.

What is the correct way to move forward then? Continue the finger pointing? Or start some sort of change with concrete ideas and plans?

The correct way to move forward is to accept that the problem exists. We clearly aren't there yet.

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And maybe taking part in all these "American traditions" only perpetuates the status quo.

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So then, LR minds, what is the "correct" path forward if we are to resolve today's current race issues?

Same path forward it has been since probably 1861 or so. Government needs to stand it's ground on EQUALITY. Not creating protected groups, not trying to right wrongs of the past or give people a leg up etc etc but unabashedly, relentlessly and without excuse treating all men equally under the law. Where government is operating and this is not taking place the inequality needs to be rooted out and rectified.

IMO there is absolutely nothing that can be done to force people to not be racists on the individual level and any movement by the government that attempts to do so, unless of course that movement is a protection of rights, will only make the process slower and more painful. There is also absolutely nothing that the government can do to change the minds of those that perceive inequality exists when it does not.

The answer to these issue on the individual level is time, education and patience.

~Matt

The correct way to move forward is to accept that the problem exists. We clearly aren't there yet.

What if the problem doesn't exist? Then acknowledging that it does would seem to be an odd way to move forward.

That being said I'm not really sure which problem you're talking about....there's a whole lot of them surrounding this subject. I believe some of them exist and some do not.

~Matt

What, in your mind, is the status quo?

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colored bracelets to raise awareness would make a difference

What do you think the problem is? I have a feeling that we disagree on this.

How about dedicating an entire month to a cause by wearing and painting the field pink?

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These are my thoughts exactly.

The only addition I would make is that more can be done by individuals taking accountability for themselves than any program the government could put together. It seems that personal accountability is an old-school train of thought though.

That would be a start. If only there were something crazy I could record myself doing and then post it to facebook.

You mean like ... like ... a challenge???? Brilliant!!!

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Hashtags also make a huge difference.

#DontHateMooseLove

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

I think he is hoping this will get him cut from the team and still get paid. There is no way the 49ers are going to have this clown boycotting the national anthem the whole season. Not to mention the fact that he is too stupid to play QB without Harbaugh holding his hand on every play.

Racist.

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Beats me. You seemed to think there was a problem that needed "a way forward."

(by the way, I haven't read a single article about this story, other than some headlines that indicated that this quarterback sat during a national anthem)

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Good point. Bracelets of color.

Every football game in February should be played on a black field.

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

That certainly would make for an interesting Super Bowl each year.

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What is the problem? Police brutality? Black on black crime? Gangs? Single parent homes? Divorce rates? Culture?

That's what I was asking klehner.

Kap's comments pointed the finger almost solely at police brutality and "oppression."

Is that really the biggest issues the black community has? I think your other examples are far greater problems but most of them can't be legislated in to submission.

Is that really the biggest issues the black community has? I think your other examples are far greater problems but most of them can't be legislated in to submission.

And there in lies the problem with a whole slew of issues in our society.

Sure we have bad cops and some police forces with systemic racism. However fix those issues and the end result is not a black community that suddenly is rainbows and butterflies, in fact the real world effect of fixing these problems are likely minimal.

Sure we have some failing schools/districts that are lower on spending, lower talent teachers but if we fixed this problem these schools wouldn't suddenly skyrocket to the top 10%, in fact the real world effect of fixing these problems are likely minimal.

The list is long where the case is that a huge amount of focus is put on a problem whose effect once solved is minimal to non existent and yet we ignore the issues that have and would have the greatest impact.

~Matt

You've always been a socialist but I'm shocked you wrote something so stupid.

You really think Warren Buffet had not created more real jobs than the government? Considering that government jobs are wealth transfer jobs and not possible without people creating "real" jobs... I would say you're off by at least 90%. I'll give you the 10% so you can credit government with nasa research blah blah.

I'll bet Bill Gates thought he actually created a few jobs in his lifetime and made a difference for millions of people... The fool. He should have gotten a job in a federal agency so he could have made a real difference.